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XBOX Backward Compatibility on PC announced
- Thread starter jshackles
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Instant_Classic
Junior Member
I would take a HD remaster with online enabled if they don't want to commit to a full remake.
Instant_Classic
Junior Member
Not everyone with discs necessarily paid for them.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Afmf, it's an amd trick. Fake but smooth 60fps with little input lag. You can use lossless scaling app if you don't have an amd card.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
I was simply responding to your "WhY wOuLd AnYOne WaNt tHiS?!?!?!?!?!?!".
From what I read of the article if you have already purchased the digital versions of those games (which were later available on the Xbox Store/marketplace) you can now play them on PC.
If people don't have an OG xbox and don't want to go through the process of downloading 878gb worth of OG xbox game images (IE the theft I was referring to), this seems to be a great way to experience those old games as they make them available.
I am sure you have a complete collection of OG xbox games as you have gone "balls deep" into it.
KenaiPhoenix
Member
It is still a ridiculous answer, you are defending Microsoft 'good action' of letting people pay again for 20+ games, only to get a worse version of what they can have thanks to many community tools like Insignia, a free revival of OG xbox live.
Thats the minimal thing they can do. What? The licenses you rented on Xbox is somehow incompatible with the license of the emulator?
What theft man? Those games have been abandoned for 20+ years, and we already know that at best you rent a digital license. If 5-10 years for now Disney/Lucas Art revoke all license of Star Wars to EA, we know these companies have no shame in just taking games like Star Wars Battlefront 2 from your 'library'.
If you tell me I can just go to a place in the Microsoft store, and just order a new copy of Star Wars Battlefront, of Halo 2 or Dead or Alive: Xtreme and then deliver it to me (aka, not a license rent), I will concede you that it is theft. But thats not real.
And this is what my original post was about: It is not great, unless somehow you are slave that if you dont see it on the store for digital borrowing, then it doesnt exist.
TODAY, there are better solutions, all community driven and related to the OG Xbox, I will just name a few:
- Free Online: OG Xbox live in all its glory with friends, message, etc
- Achievements: Some mad lads somehow managed to introduce achievements in the OG xbox.
- Mobile ports and Cross play: Play on your Xbox, play on your PC, Steamdeck, tablet or phone and with everyone else using insignia and unlocking achievements.
- Mods and ports: games like UT99, Hexen 2, Dark Forces are being ported with even more things to come now that people developed some C tools for new homebrew games. And dont worry, these ports usually ask you to put the game files from PC into the the port, so this is not first degree robbery.
Wastelander92
Member
360 support datamined: https://www.trueachievements.com/news/xbox-360-games-pc-backward-compatible-dataminers
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Ahhh okay, now your posts make perfect sense.
Wastelander92
Member
AndrewRyan
Member
- If you already own a digital license for these games on console, that license now carries over to your PC or handheld.
Esppiral
Member
Well I'll leave this hex edit I did years ago for Crimson Skies, it makes the game display in Widescreen and unlocks the framerate to 60 fps, if anyone or ever is possible to patch these games it will come in handy.
Name = Crimson Skies
TitleID = MS-033
*16:9 AR
*FRAMERATE UNLOCK*
`
*FRAMERATE FIX*
Too bad the game runs like dogshit in Xemu.
Name = Crimson Skies
TitleID = MS-033
*16:9 AR
Code:
FIND
00 00 80 3F 8B CE E8 31 06 03 00 F3 0F 10 06 F3 0F 10 4E 0C F3 0F 11 44 24 40 F3 0F 10 46 04 F3 0F 11 44 24 44 F3 0F 10 46 08 F3 0F 11 4C 24 50
REPLACE
00 00 40 3F 8B CE E8 31 06 03 00 F3 0F 10 06 F3 0F 10 4E 0C F3 0F 11 44 24 40 F3 0F 10 46 04 F3 0F 11 44 24 44 F3 0F 10 46 08 F3 0F 11 4C 24 50*FRAMERATE UNLOCK*
Code:
FIND
01 00 00 00 5B 83 C4 08 C3 D8 0D 18 EE 28 00 89 46 10 89 4E 14 E8 56 1E 0C 00 5F 89 46 18 5E 33 C0 5B 83 C4 08 C3 CC CC 83 EC 08 56 8D 44 24 04
REPLACE
00 00 00 00 5B 83 C4 08 C3 D8 0D 18 EE 28 00 89 46 10 89 4E 14 E8 56 1E 0C 00 5F 89 46 18 5E 33 C0 5B 83 C4 08 C3 CC CC 83 EC 08 56 8D 44 24 04*FRAMERATE FIX*
Code:
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00 00 7A 44 00 00 20 41 50 B7 01 00 50 93 01 00 20 93 01 00 50 4F 01 00 B0 AD 01 00 10 F8 12 00 60 4F 01 00 70 4F 01 00 60 04 12 00 60 04 12 00
REPLACE
00 00 FA 43 00 00 20 41 50 B7 01 00 50 93 01 00 20 93 01 00 50 4F 01 00 B0 AD 01 00 10 F8 12 00 60 4F 01 00 70 4F 01 00 60 04 12 00 60 04 12 00Too bad the game runs like dogshit in Xemu.
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JoeDanny
Member
Would be nice to digitize my OG Xbox library to PC with the rumored disc-to-digital stuff.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Rumor is the disc to digital program is only for Xbox One and Series games.
mindfreak191
Member
I'm betting you that they're gonna announce Gears 2&3 coming to PC back compatibility during Games Con in August, perfect way to drum up excitement for E-day.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
Correct, it's only going to be from One onwards because of the way they encrypt those discs.
kevboard
Gold Member
indeed. Xbox One and Series X discs all have fully individual serial numbers. so every disc has its own unique identifier and can be tracked.
360 and og Xbox games don't have that, but Xbox One and Series X games do because it's a remnant of Microsoft's plan to make the Xbox One always online with discs just unlocking your license for the game.
that system needed unique identifiers for every single disc, as you could only sell them once, and after that they would be permanently locked to an account, and would need to be removed from the old account.
that's why the original Xbox One concept would have needed a 24h online check-in to certify which games you still own or don't anymore.
the leaked disc to digital system basically revives this old concept, and simply removes the limited disc sales part, but keeps the digital profile lock to your account.
it will still track if you still own the game, by detecting if the disc has been used/registered on a different console by a different user.
that's why I am almost 100% certain that this system will also require a 24h online check for registered discs, because they need to make sure you're not registering dozens of games, put your console offline, and then just sell them all.
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Tunned
Member
Well shit, last time I tried to replay PGR2 on my 360, I did not get too far due to a game breaking emulation glitch. If PGR2 does eventually make it, and I pray it does, I hope all the emulation glitches will be ironed out.
Killer8
Member
This creates a lot more questions. Xbox emulation on the 360 was notoriously shit. Did they fix up all the issues within that emulator? Because the games were perfect on Series X as far as I could tell.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The one/sx emulation supports barely any original xbox games, like 50 total, the 360 emulator supports over 400
Killer8
Member
The one/sx emulation supports barely any original xbox games, like 50 total, the 360 emulator supports over 400
Quality of the Xbox emulator was hit or miss on Xbox 360. Numerous annoying artifacts, missing effects, bad performance, audio issues, choppy FMVs etc.
I'll take 50 games which work perfectly over that.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
The one/sx emulation supports barely any original xbox games, like 50 total, the 360 emulator supports over 400
Yeaah.... that's one of my major gripes.
I remember having a modded version of the emulator on my JTAG X360 which expanded the library even more.
Games like the OG Xbox ports of Fatal Frame 1/2, GTA 3/Vice City etc worked great on the X360, but for some reason none of them are compatible with the Xbox One/Series version of the emulator.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yes there are games with issues, but far more than 50 work without any issues on the 360; there's 400+ of them, even if 50% of them had all kinds of issues, that's still 200+ that don't.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Well, they won't.
Killer8
Member
Yes there are games with issues, but far more than 50 work without any issues on the 360; there's 400+ of them, even if 50% of them had all kinds of issues, that's still 200+ that don't.
Keep posting the gif over and over, most of the list has documented issues:
But hey at least it can play a dozen iterations of Sportsball 20XX perfectly!
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Is this list supposed to counter anything I said? If you sort by "Known Issues", there's far more than 50 games that have "none".
swaffles23
Member
Give me Lost Odyssey
I played it for very little amount on the Xbox a few years ago. I played a bit more on my PC and dang, it's fun. Going to absolutely play it more.
kevboard
Gold Member
the issues on Xbox 360 was mostly a lack of power.
but yes the newest version (2021c) of the XeFu emulator does indeed improve many games. people backported the newer Xbox One/series X versions of the emulator to modded Xbox 360 systems, and that made some games that were previously basically unplayable now playable.
so they definitely improved the accuracy and stability
Killer8
Member
Is this list supposed to counter anything I said? If you sort by "Known Issues", there's far more than 50 games that have "none".
I don't know why you are caring so much about this.
I asked an open question about whether Microsoft have resolved the documented issues in the original emulator. Apparently only kevboard was willing to provide an answer that, yes, apparently they have continued to make improvements to that existing emulator rather than make a new one.
So my question, and its answer, have improved the knowledge of this thread - not being a pedantic retard who feels the need to defend the honor of how well some old FIFA games ran on an Xbox 360.
bender
What time is it?
You can always hunt down the original.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
You said you'd rather have the one/sx emulator because it has 50 games that worked without issues, my response was there's more than 50 that work without issues on the 360 emulator.
Then you post a list that confirms what I said as some kind of gotcha.
Killer8
Member
You said you'd rather have the one/sx emulator because it has 50 games that worked without issues, my response was there's more than 50 that work without issues on the 360 emulator.
Then you post a list that confirms what I said as some kind of gotcha.
Shane89
Member
So what? They released 5 games, i still prefer the emulator which runs almost any game, even if not perfectly.
Skifi28
Member
This is the start, the list will only get bigger.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Someone released a 60 fps+widescreen mod for Conker. I can't believe Microsoft can't do something like this.
Goalus
Member
I know that feeling.
The need for a Steam account is why I do not use Steam anymore.
PlayStaytion
Member
PC Master Race: There's nothing backward about my PC.
Shockwave_Fox
Gold Member
Dudes account has been suspended by GitHub because of people downloading the mod....just shows the demand for these improvements.
kiphalfton
Member
Lmao.
Microsoft has a track record of ditching their backwards compatibility efforts.
They've done so on Xbox 360 and again back in 2021.
I don't doubt this will be any different.
Skifi28
Member
So you really they'll leave it at 4 games? They don't need to reinvent the wheel here, they already have the emulators and a ton of older games licensed and already being sold on Xbox. It's not exactly a leap to imagine they'll be gradually releasing most of them on PC as it's practically free money for them.
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Instant_Classic
Junior Member
Well done, Xemu is way behind PCSX2 and Dolphin btw.Well I'll leave this hex edit I did years ago for Crimson Skies, it makes the game display in Widescreen and unlocks the framerate to 60 fps, if anyone or ever is possible to patch these games it will come in handy.
Name = Crimson Skies
TitleID = MS-033
*16:9 AR
Code:FIND 00 00 80 3F 8B CE E8 31 06 03 00 F3 0F 10 06 F3 0F 10 4E 0C F3 0F 11 44 24 40 F3 0F 10 46 04 F3 0F 11 44 24 44 F3 0F 10 46 08 F3 0F 11 4C 24 50 REPLACE 00 00 40 3F 8B CE E8 31 06 03 00 F3 0F 10 06 F3 0F 10 4E 0C F3 0F 11 44 24 40 F3 0F 10 46 04 F3 0F 11 44 24 44 F3 0F 10 46 08 F3 0F 11 4C 24 50
*FRAMERATE UNLOCK*
`Code:FIND 01 00 00 00 5B 83 C4 08 C3 D8 0D 18 EE 28 00 89 46 10 89 4E 14 E8 56 1E 0C 00 5F 89 46 18 5E 33 C0 5B 83 C4 08 C3 CC CC 83 EC 08 56 8D 44 24 04 REPLACE 00 00 00 00 5B 83 C4 08 C3 D8 0D 18 EE 28 00 89 46 10 89 4E 14 E8 56 1E 0C 00 5F 89 46 18 5E 33 C0 5B 83 C4 08 C3 CC CC 83 EC 08 56 8D 44 24 04
*FRAMERATE FIX*
Code:FIND 00 00 7A 44 00 00 20 41 50 B7 01 00 50 93 01 00 20 93 01 00 50 4F 01 00 B0 AD 01 00 10 F8 12 00 60 4F 01 00 70 4F 01 00 60 04 12 00 60 04 12 00 REPLACE 00 00 FA 43 00 00 20 41 50 B7 01 00 50 93 01 00 20 93 01 00 50 4F 01 00 B0 AD 01 00 10 F8 12 00 60 4F 01 00 70 4F 01 00 60 04 12 00 60 04 12 00
Too bad the game runs like dogshit in Xemu.
MrCunningham
Member
If you listen to the guy in the video. This mod/ hack also triggers Windows defender and other antivirus software because it highjacks a running process of some kind. That alone would be reason enough for GitHub to suspend this persons' account.
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Sorcerer
Member
They should have added it to Rare replay like they did with Goldeneye for those that own that. From what I understand Conker is there for those who have Gamepass anyway. Hopefully Rare Replay itself gets a PC port. But perhaps there might be licensing issues now that Bond is a part of it.Just tried out Conker. I feel like I should have all of these games, but it's the only one showing up as owned. Ran it with AFMF at 60fps and it looks and feels smooth. Cool stuff. Would be nice to get a bunch of 360 games supported like Gears 2/3, Crackdown, NG Black, Lost Odyssey. I guess we'll see how it pans out. They better hurry or they'll get left in the dust by all the decomps happening lately.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Asha's balls in my throat?
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
The biggest advantage of this program is finally being able to curse the cunt who designed the lava hoverboard section in conker with great satisfaction, even 25 years later. That cunt probably thought, "People will complain for 3–5 years and then they'll get over it." Nope. It's been 25 years, and I'm still cursing him for it. Here's hoping people are still cursing him 25 years from now. Thank you Microsoft.
Great game btw, had some laughs here and there, until this lava section, which probably never happened to me while playing games(I'm not talking about just smiling). We will never get a game like this again and that's sad.
Great game btw, had some laughs here and there, until this lava section, which probably never happened to me while playing games(I'm not talking about just smiling). We will never get a game like this again and that's sad.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
AFMF is AMD's driver based frame gen.