Yeah the older women fiction is pretty much the same, but the woman discovers she likes to be choked out. Not there is anything wrong with that.
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Yeah the older women fiction is pretty much the same, but the woman discovers she likes to be choked out. Not there is anything wrong with that.
Femmeworth
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Due to the popularity of Twilight, the situation has gotten much worse.
Devolution
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Oh come on like Austen novels are any better.
shanshan310
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I'm kinda thinking about trying pole dancing, because DEM ABS. Anyone got experience?
YA as in Young Adult? Its weird because I've had the complete opposite experience with YA fiction, save for twilight of course. Harry Potter I'd consider to be YA. Books like the sisterhood of the travelling pants and Tomorrow when the war began had strong female protagonists who developed without the aid of 'boys'. Even in books where boys did feature most of the books I read at that age were more focused on whatever the female equivalent of 'bros over hoes' is.
YA as in Young Adult? Its weird because I've had the complete opposite experience with YA fiction, save for twilight of course. Harry Potter I'd consider to be YA. Books like the sisterhood of the travelling pants and Tomorrow when the war began had strong female protagonists who developed without the aid of 'boys'. Even in books where boys did feature most of the books I read at that age were more focused on whatever the female equivalent of 'bros over hoes' is.
Exactly, I remember reading a few in my younger days and they made me so frickin furious! The main guy is always such a sarcastic chauvinistic dickbag insulting the girl as much as possible, acting aloof etc and the girls always go "OMG, why does he do that, maybe I deserve it" or "he's such a manly handsome man that I'm so paralysed in front of him to stand up for myself"
Yeah only read a few but damn these books make my blood boil! :-\
The Anti-Monitor
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The moment you start jumping around the experience becomes embarrassing.
And I haven't read much YA fiction outside of Potter and Twilight (before the movies, stopped halfway through). Well, comics, but it's not the same. And I heard Hunger Games isn't bad, but I'm reading A Song of Ice and Firw now.
Really, really strongly disagree with both of these assessments. Just for starters, the arrogance the men are supposed to display in Austen's novels is deliberate and also very much intended to be a flaw, not a feature.
There's a pretty big difference between "He's aloof and distant.... which is what makes him so sexy and mysterious" and "He's aloof and distant... which is why the protagonist doesn't like him unless and until he overcomes those deficits." That's the entire point of Pride and Prejudice, for example.
Thagomizer
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This comic basically sums up why I've never understood why so many girls find these kind of books "romantic:"
I'm definitely not going to defend the Brontes, other than to put them in to historical context. That is, the first writers to do schlock romantic fiction are much more important than the 1,000,000th writer to do it 250 years later -- very much how Beowulf is much more important than virtually all modern "epic fantasy" because it happened to be the first one written in English. Long after Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth and Game of Thrones have been forgotten, Beowulf will still be performed and taught in schools. Doing it first means quite a bit.
I happen to be preferential the Russians (particularly Dostoevsky), but admittedly their women tend to be weak and simpering as well. It's a consequence of the times.
I happen to be preferential the Russians (particularly Dostoevsky), but admittedly their women tend to be weak and simpering as well. It's a consequence of the times.
CleverGirl
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I have to say that Austen novels are substantially better. Austen pairs societal criticisms and human insights in her stories. Both the hero and the heroine are flawed characters (except maybe Fanny Price who is her most passive and static heroine) whose romance helps them grow into better people. The women in the novels who marry unwisely, think Lydia in Pride and Prejudice, are not praised for having "captured" a husband unless it is by an already established foolish character. Jane Austen always stresses the importance of marrying for love and that the character of your marriage partner should be known ahead of time. (Anne Elliot/Captain Wentworth vs Anne Elliot/William Elliot). Jane Austen does not endorse abusive relationships even if it means becoming a spinster, in a time when becoming a spinster meant dying in the streets alone.
The Brontes on the other hand... I hate them.
Devolution
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I don't really find any of it compelling and yet the movies keep getting made over and over.
Femmeworth
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I actually haven't read any of Austen's works. My experience with classic literature outside of high school is severely lacking. I don't read enough books in general. :\
CleverGirl
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I don't know that Jane Austen had much respect for classical literature. Her character Catherine Morland in Northanger Abbey preferred to read the trashy modern romance novels because they were focused on women. Sure crazy-ass women doing crazy-ass stuff like seducing monks and getting kidnapped but still that was more than she could find in so called "classical" literature. Catherine couldn't relate to any the classical works because they were about wars and great men when all of her experiences centered around the family. I'm not sure Austen would be comfortable being called classical.
Also the movies kept being made because...
Swoon!
I will stop now, because, I could really just go on forever. Like a crazy rambling chimp.
Also the movies kept being made because...
Swoon!
I will stop now, because, I could really just go on forever. Like a crazy rambling chimp.
I used to work at a library (never again). I stayed out of sight during the Jane Austen theme month.
Femmeworth
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Come to think of it, my sister really likes Jane Austen and she is a far, far cry from a feminist. >_>
Looking at coverage of beach volleyball at the Olympics, I really have to wonder how much of the uniform is function and how much is fashion. Apparently this was the first year that women could wear shorts if they wanted to? Wow.
Looking at coverage of beach volleyball at the Olympics, I really have to wonder how much of the uniform is function and how much is fashion. Apparently this was the first year that women could wear shorts if they wanted to? Wow.
I LOVED Christopher Pike growing up, his books were actually banned from my middle school library and I was so pissed. But trying to read them again now? My brain can't handle how poorly written they are.
Zoe
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We have been together for 9 years and shared a bank account for some time - the checks/statements just have two names on them. Most people are pretty understanding when I say, we're married, I just kept my name. There are always those who give "the look" though. lol.
Not sure if we are planning on kids, definitely not in the near future... I think my last name will be part of the middle name and his last name will be their last... but we will cross that road if/when necessary.
Yeah I'm re-reading it right now, and what stands out about it to me on my re-read; is how amazing the portrayal of Sissy is, when you consider the time period the novel was first released in. Although, the book in general has a lot of other awesome proto-feminist stuff in it.
Femmeworth
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I'll have to remember that. *writes it down*
'Are You There God, It's Me Margaret' By Judy Blume
Is pretty much the YA female book.
As for Austen. Pride and Prejudice is always better than people actually think it is for most people who read it. Though I suppose I appreciated it more for her craft, then what other posters have eluded to so far.
The first few books that come to my head when I think about feminine books:
A Thousand Splendid Suns
Madame Bovary
Anne Frank
Anna Karenina
etc etc etc
Is pretty much the YA female book.
As for Austen. Pride and Prejudice is always better than people actually think it is for most people who read it. Though I suppose I appreciated it more for her craft, then what other posters have eluded to so far.
The first few books that come to my head when I think about feminine books:
A Thousand Splendid Suns
Madame Bovary
Anne Frank
Anna Karenina
etc etc etc
Found the short story I was looking for:
The Story of an Hour by Kate Chopin.
Wiki for quick literary summary.
The Story of an Hour by Kate Chopin.
Wiki for quick literary summary.
Femmeworth
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The Wiki page is longer than the actual story.
On the subject of YA fiction, while it is not made specifically for girls, it does feature a female protagonist and an author who is consciously feminist:
The book is quite wonderful, but it did get some criticisms that it was too tough for children and I loved her response on this issue.
... Which reminds me, I need to read the copy of Pride and Prejudice I picked up from the library. I had a friend strongly recommend it as her favorite book. Personally, I feel like I can usually get into a novel even if it isn't
I had a love / hate relationship with Jane Eyre (only Bronte novel I have read). There were parts that I just loved (particularly her as a child), but so much of it just drove me nuts, especially the romance aspect and the nature of their relationship.
Oh, and physiognomy reveals all.
The book is quite wonderful, but it did get some criticisms that it was too tough for children and I loved her response on this issue.
... Which reminds me, I need to read the copy of Pride and Prejudice I picked up from the library. I had a friend strongly recommend it as her favorite book. Personally, I feel like I can usually get into a novel even if it isn't
I had a love / hate relationship with Jane Eyre (only Bronte novel I have read). There were parts that I just loved (particularly her as a child), but so much of it just drove me nuts, especially the romance aspect and the nature of their relationship.
Oh, and physiognomy reveals all.
Femmeworth
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I liked Jane Eyre (2011) because of Mia Wasikowska and Michael Fassbender. >_>
Haha, me too.
Liking books is about as subjective as anything really; no real need to like this book or that book. When Austen fans bring up Persuasion as one of her best works, I just don't get it. It was dull as fuck for me.
But some of the other ones are very good I think. Emma, Northanger Abbey, Pride and Prejudice. Light hearted, with irony, and social commentary thrown in as well.
Something like To the lighthouse [Virginia Woolf], which I reread again lately, is harder to recommend, But I would have recommend if it were more accessible.
CleverGirl
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I just can't get down with those Byronic heroes of the Bronte novels. They're jerks! The women are considered heroines if they can suffer enough.
But yes Fassbender as Rochester, is perfection.
I've met a lot of people who can't get through the old style of writing. I think that is why modern day adaptations like Bridget Jones' Diary or Clueless are so popular. You still get great stories but without the antiquated rules of etiquette or ways of speaking to get in the way.
The Anti-Monitor
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Fuck yes, let's talk about Dat Fass.
cloudwalking
300chf ain't shit to me
Fuck yes, let's talk about Dat Fass.
hah was just coming in here to type this. fassbender is totally one of my biases <3
Ugh even so I still didn't enjoy it :<
Fuck yes, let's talk about Dat Fass.
gross
Femmeworth
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No one can compare to Ian McKellen.
Devolution
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Nope. Hot. Gimme dat.
The Anti-Monitor
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Omnomnomnomnomnomnom
Devolution
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The reason why I watched Sparatcus Blood and Sand.
Dat eye candy.
Dat eye candy.
Femmeworth
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Ladies, we're supposed to be better than this. 
The Anti-Monitor
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Ladies, we're supposed to be better than this.
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my imagination. And BillieChu challenged us.
you can have dat
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of my imagination. And BillieChu challenged us.
Do you also see a word or phase and instantly have a song come to mind? I thought of it as soon as I read your post.
Definitely! I didn't like James McAvoy as Xavier either, actually I didn't think much of First Class, it wasn't X3 level bad but it was bad.
Oh and extremely muscular guys look kinda odd to me with their bulging biceps and veins poppin out. I like athletic build guys with nicely defined abs and slight pecks. Not really big into huge veiny biceps!
All men posted are lovely.
But I have a problem with Fassbender. He's good looking, but he beat the shit out of a previous girlfriend so... Do not want.
Biggest celeb crush...Hm. At the moment, Benedict Cumberbatch hahahahaha. Alien cat man.
I also highly enjoy Momoa posted above, ummm, haha the guy who plays Rick in Walking Dead. Andrew Lincoln. I think he's foine.
And just because, I think Daniel Radcliffe is precious as hell. Very talented and pretty smart.
But I have a problem with Fassbender.
He's good looking, but he beat the shit out of a previous girlfriend so... Do not want. Biggest celeb crush...Hm. At the moment, Benedict Cumberbatch hahahahaha. Alien cat man.
I also highly enjoy Momoa posted above, ummm, haha the guy who plays Rick in Walking Dead. Andrew Lincoln. I think he's foine.
And just because, I think Daniel Radcliffe is precious as hell. Very talented and pretty smart.
Femmeworth
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Not Matthew Vaughn's best work, I liked James McAvoy's performance though. I mostly blame 20th Century Fox, why anyone works with them is beyond me.
The Anti-Monitor
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Nah.
Who is veiny?
This is just pure glory.
Seems to be bull from what I've seen online... if true do not want, obviously.But I have a problem with Fassbender.
With Hemsworth, Drogo and company running around it's not like he's needed. I'm happy with 299.
shanshan310
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Hi.
The spartan outfits look too ridiculous for me to find those men attractive :S
I have a big crush on Glenn ><
The spartan outfits look too ridiculous for me to find those men attractive :S
I have a big crush on Glenn ><