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DF: Orbis vs Durango Spec Analysis
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MikeE21286
Member
Is maybe where some (any) of the tweaks/improvements to the Jaguar cores is going is to Kinect and the audio processing?
Also fffuuuuuuuuuuuuck at the no used games.
I'll most likely be sitting in the sidelines with this for awhile unless Ms can pull out some major exclusives.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
you will be surprised how quickly people will be turned off by things like no used games, always connected and a camera always watching you/where it is setup....
plus, no used games will be instant suit against Microsoft in Europe.
Should be fun if anything comes to fruit.
Unknown One
Member
Microsoft has being doing this heavily already this generation with Sony doing it a bit. Perhaps doing exclusive demos instead of timed exclusive demos heh.
I don't believe it too.
I must never reveal my true name
MS: hey those Sony guys really managed to compete strongly with that damn CELL. We need to make sure we beef up our CPU
Sony: MS kicked our asses with that GPU. Unified shaders huh, who'd have thought. Anyway, this time we make sure we have a great GPU, screw CELL it only caused us pain.
Yup!
I wouldn't expect Steam or anything like that for these consoles, but more like what Nintendo is doing on eShop with promotions and small sales, with day 1 retail presence - though obviously run with more veracity and competence with a more pervasive, consistent presence.
The hardware is actually weaker overall than most high end gaming PCs today. On the bright side, they are still powerful enough to raise the visual baseline for everyone.
LMAO!
Lol, so true after these leaks.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
This is probably the biggest thing working against it, considering the Internet connection rate is usually very low compared to what you expect. But I also expect the new Xbox to require you to connect to the Internet and give a step-by-step process on how to do so, and be much more user friendly and imperative than it has been for the 360, which would make back some of the people who have Internet but just aren't connected.
As if third party isnt going to support another console if it does support used games, thats leaving money on the table. Not to mention trade ins go to buying new software so sales might suffer on that platform.
yup. Even if it is only 20% of the market, that's a pretty big number. A couple of anecdotes:
I remember listening to a spiel about the pspgo a gamestop employee was giving a woman with two kids. He pointed to the walls and said, see all those used games, you won't be able to play them on this. It was pretty effective, as they didn't buy it.
Last weekend while I was waiting in line for 20 goddamn minutes, some woman was trading in 30 or 40 games and using the credit towards a deluxe wii u. She got $135 off the price.
People who don't think used games matter to many regular people are just wrong.
But I doubt MS cares a whole lot. Gaming isn't their core business and they have lots of cash to burn. So, if no used games and always online pushes millions into their ecosystem even if it costs them some of their gamer audience, I'm sure they will be fine with that.
Gemüsepizza
Member
The thing is, people did not have an alternative. If they want to play Battlefield, they have to buy it. It will be different with those consoles: People do have an alternative if they want to play most titles. An alternative which is even rumored to be more powerful. Not a hard decision.
Pretty much. Who isn't always online anyway? It's not like that means you can't turn it off. Who buys all those smartphones only to not use them online? Tablets, PCs, settop boxes for TV, what is not always online? And FWIW: 360 dev kits had no BC either cause it was a software solution.
People dont like being told what they have to do, you cant play used games, you have to be online at all times, to many barriers in place and to strict will turn off customers. Isnt a massive amount of 360s offline anyway it would be madness to piss off that many people even more so if your rival isnt. I dont know why people keep spinning this, if true its the most anti consumer console in living memory and for that reason i still can believe its true.
Orbis does have an audio chip but if you have actually read the thread you will notice that the point is that the one in durango is really powerful, apparently more powerful than the one in ps4.
Ps4 wont be getting bf4?.
Gemüsepizza
Member
BF4 on Xbox 3 with very strict DRM
vs.
BF4 on PS4 without very strict DRM (and probably even prettier graphics)
That's what I meant. It just seems dumb to force such things on customers if you can't afford it, if you aren't market leader with a very big lead. Microsoft could do it with Windows 8 and this Metro crap, because they practically have a monopoly here, but I fear they overestimate their position in the gaming area.
I'm not laughing at the requirement; I think it's an abysmal decision. I'm laughing at those who think this console won't sell because of it.
As you can see.
Joke right, you know more or less half the 360s sold arnt online right?.
I hope next-gen can render hair half that good.Next Gen:
But what guarantee has a publisher that profits from selling his game used go towards buying another game of him?
Tbh this doesn't tell much when we don't know how many of those are forced to be offline. Most of them could just not bother to connect online (but would if they had to, this is many of my friends who only play singleplayer games) or they stay offline because they pirate stuff.
MikeE21286
Member
Gemüsepizza;47826793 said:
Simple. pS4. MS keeps giving me reasons not to but their next console.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Good, an online shooter is probably not the best example anyway, because you have to be online to play, but there are still plenty of other games which would have strict DRM on Xbox and maybe not so strict DRM on PS4.
Likely because Microsoft foresee their system making more use of audio functionality, i.e with Kinect, multiple or simultaneous voice commands, multiple games or apps running etc. I doubt this will affect gaming or graphics potency in any tangible way, since that is what the audio chips in both consoles are there to take the load off of in the first place.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The older specs also had Steamroller which we know get change .
Won't surprise me if they had to beef up \ add stuff to to help with audio .
None but it does happen, they are already raking money back with online passes etc. There is no chance no used games sales on either console, it would be insane. It would piss of customers, it would piss off stores that push the console see pspgo, and would also lead to some very very tough questions being asked of ms from the eu.
50-68% of that hair render will be achievable. Unless you get a dev house like datgamecompany(RIP) where they'll focus on hair in their next game kinda like they did sand in Journey. Then that number goes up to 90%.
No used game policy will probably be judged illegal in Europe (European court declared that publishers can't prevent costumers from reselling their games) so I don't see how this could happen. Especially knowing MS's past history with the European Commission.
Plus, here in France, the "always on camera, always watching you and always online" stuff will probably upset the CNIL which is a commission that protects privacy against some technological intrusions and digital informations.
I guess many countries have those kinds of commissions... so i don't see MS doing this kind of things before long...
The thing is: the logic behind MS "always on" Kinect is obviously suspect. Why would the camera need to ALWAYS watch us, if not to get personal informations without us knowing (like what brand i am wearing, Nike or Adidas? How many people in my house, their age, etc...)...
At the end of the day, all they want is target their ads an resell individual marketing profiles.
I don't see this happen in France at all as it's an obvious privacy infringement.
Plus, here in France, the "always on camera, always watching you and always online" stuff will probably upset the CNIL which is a commission that protects privacy against some technological intrusions and digital informations.
I guess many countries have those kinds of commissions... so i don't see MS doing this kind of things before long...
The thing is: the logic behind MS "always on" Kinect is obviously suspect. Why would the camera need to ALWAYS watch us, if not to get personal informations without us knowing (like what brand i am wearing, Nike or Adidas? How many people in my house, their age, etc...)...
At the end of the day, all they want is target their ads an resell individual marketing profiles.
I don't see this happen in France at all as it's an obvious privacy infringement.
I wonder how much advertising data can be mined from images of people and their living rooms. I'm guessing a terrifyingly huge amount, especially if they have sound and location data.
And if people also use MS phones & tablets & computers, they pretty much would know just about everything about a person. wow. I really am starting to understand the need for privacy laws.
And if people also use MS phones & tablets & computers, they pretty much would know just about everything about a person. wow. I really am starting to understand the need for privacy laws.
Yeah im sure there are millions and millions of consoles offline just because they cant be arsed and to pirate. Come on son we are talking tens of millions of consoles. Isnt there only 40 odd millions live accounts, take away a percentage for people having more than one, that leave around 30 million boxes not connected to live rough numbers.
Of course. Because they don't have to be. Or maybe because they can't without buying the WLAN accessory. Only Slim 360 has WLAN. I'm sure if they do something like this they have the data to support them, aka "90 % of slim consoles are online, let's do it".
Unknown One
Member
I just thought of something.
Always online console....
Xbox Live just to play online...
What are the odds that you have to pay for Xbox Live just to play your games...
I know extremely low.
Always online console....
Xbox Live just to play online...
What are the odds that you have to pay for Xbox Live just to play your games...
I know extremely low.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
So that's why the PC market is non-existent in mainland EU.
Playing Watch_Dogs on a Durango with Kinect on and connected to the Internet.
Meta.
shinra-bansho
Member
RFID for used game prevention...?
George Claw M.D.
Member
Always online, powerful audio processing, SIRI capabilities...
SIRI on iOS does require an online connection to function. All SIRI queries are processed by Apple's servers, and the results are relayed back to your phone. Sounds like Microsoft is really going all-in with voice and gesture controls for everything. Set recordings, alarms, and more with voice commands. It'll probably let you tell it to suspend your game and turn on the ballgame at 7pm.
SIRI on iOS does require an online connection to function. All SIRI queries are processed by Apple's servers, and the results are relayed back to your phone. Sounds like Microsoft is really going all-in with voice and gesture controls for everything. Set recordings, alarms, and more with voice commands. It'll probably let you tell it to suspend your game and turn on the ballgame at 7pm.
I'm not spinning the anti-consumerism of the console in general, just referring specifically to what is working against it actually being always-online. I don't think MS would give up that proportion of their customers, which is currently significant, over always online. Yeah, you need to be online to use Kinect, but what if you don't give a fuck about Kinect? What if the game isn't using it? Why should you still need to verify and authenticate?
Like I've said before, no used games is not a big deal because publishers will lock out used games slowly too through activation codes, etc. It's already gonna happen, first party PS3 games specifically were just the conditioning process for consumers. Always online is what people need to fear.
In the product pitch to casuals and the broad market, I can easily see them justifying always online. Someone made a good point in this thread earlier; most people are used to having every device in their home being always online anyways. From their phone to their PC. It's all streamlined, and MS is just presenting an even more streamlined featureset; a Netflix machine that is always online just like everything else people use to watch Netflix. It won't nearly bother people as much as they think, but the implications of it depending on the way they implement it are much greater. What happens when servers are shut off 15 years from now? Can I never play anything I own again?
MikeE21286
Member
I think the main reason(s) for Kinect to always need to be on is that;
Either the OS requires Kinect for some basic functionality (e.g. Menu navigation)
Or
It doesn't really "require" it but Microsoft wants to require that you have it plugged in so it forces you to use it.
Either the OS requires Kinect for some basic functionality (e.g. Menu navigation)
Or
It doesn't really "require" it but Microsoft wants to require that you have it plugged in so it forces you to use it.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Do you mean the market for used PC games? I think you may have missed the recent decision by German/European(?) courts regarding used game sales and Steam. And there where quite some hefty fines by the EU for big companies in the past when they did not comply. The governments are slow, but they are looking on such things.
Regarding Kinect: Maybe they will also have some form of Biometric DRM for offline usage.
Things may be different in the US/UK, but if the new Box has always online and the PS has not the box will be dead on arrival in continental Europe, i can guarantee you as much.