Md Ray
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Tbh, RT shadows in that game barely look any better than classic shadow maps. My guess is that it's not worth including on consoles for what's likely going to come at a huge perf cost.
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AMD RX 6000 'Big Navi' GPU Event | 10/28/2020 @ 12PM EST/9AM PST/4PM UK
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Ascend
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YOu can see some additional info here, including a comparison slider for Dirt 5 with and without RT...
PhoenixTank
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Senua
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IKR it amazes me oversights like this still happen
DonJuanSchlong
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AMD Ray Accelerator appear to be slower than NVIDIA RT Core in this DXR (Ray Tracing) benchmark - VideoCardz.com
AMD Radeon RX 6800XT ray tracing performance AMD has not been eager to share details on the ray tracing performance of its Radeon RX 6000 series at launch, but as it turns out, the manufacturer has revealed some details that can be directly compared to the NVIDIA Ampere series. AMD Radeon RX...
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Not sure if this has been posted yet. I'm really contemplating on just waiting for the 40XX and 7X00 series before an upgrade at this point. Things will be matured by then, or current gpu's will be even cheaper.
Bolivar687
Banned
COOLING NERD ALERT
I just checked the Fury X and turns out it was only 270w... strange, I always thought it was a lot more than that.
Anyway, I was secretly hoping for an AIO model but I already have a 240mm radiator as a top exhaust. The Fury X worked nice as a rear exhaust, so I was hoping for another 120mm radiator this time. I think the only other place for this would be the front intake of my case, but normally they advise you position these AIO radiators above the card. I'm also concerned about not having my front intake constantly available to my system, if this only ramps up for the GPU during gaming. But then again, if my CPU is on an AIO anyway, would the motherboard even need it if I just have a 140mm bottom intake??? Not sure whether to go for this or not, my instincts are telling me no, but my body is telling me yes.
Oh well, I'm probably getting an air cooler anyway since these AIO cards often have a several hundred dollar premium.
edit: it looks like this might be the first time ASUS has done an AIO, and they didn't do one for the RTX 3000 series. Are these big Navi cards going to be overclocking monsters????
I just checked the Fury X and turns out it was only 270w... strange, I always thought it was a lot more than that.
Anyway, I was secretly hoping for an AIO model but I already have a 240mm radiator as a top exhaust. The Fury X worked nice as a rear exhaust, so I was hoping for another 120mm radiator this time. I think the only other place for this would be the front intake of my case, but normally they advise you position these AIO radiators above the card. I'm also concerned about not having my front intake constantly available to my system, if this only ramps up for the GPU during gaming. But then again, if my CPU is on an AIO anyway, would the motherboard even need it if I just have a 140mm bottom intake??? Not sure whether to go for this or not, my instincts are telling me no, but my body is telling me yes.
Oh well, I'm probably getting an air cooler anyway since these AIO cards often have a several hundred dollar premium.
edit: it looks like this might be the first time ASUS has done an AIO, and they didn't do one for the RTX 3000 series. Are these big Navi cards going to be overclocking monsters????
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Ascend
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I think they might be deliberately trying to hide the framerate.
llien
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MadYarpen
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Nobody should be interested in ray tracing for at least a few more generations. Too much of a performance hit.
Duckhuntdog
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Where's the HBM2 version? Or is that just not going to happen with these cards?
Mister Wolf
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I'm in the same boat. Wait until they see what that means for Cyberpunk and every other game using raytracing for multiple things moving forward. Control and Metro Exodus were just the beginning. Look how hard Metro Exodus Sam's Story is tanking a 3080 with just RTGI and raytraced emissives:
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Insane Metal
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Kenpachii
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Always made me laugh how people where advertising 600w for higher end psu's in that pc thread. boy that didn't age well.
Anyway here's what u need. Also depends on how much stuff u got running in your PC and what it pulls a 10900k oced to 5,3ghz will need a bit more then a 3600 stock.
6800xt
Requirements
Minimum PSU Recommendation
750 W
6900xt
Requirements
Minimum PSU Recommendation
850 W
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Tumle
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Yea that’s what I saw.. was thinking about going with the 6800xt.. but a little afraid that I’d be running into problems when I only Reach the minimum specs on my psu.. Or am I reading to much into it?
Pagusas
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Because the editor set his timeline to 24 due to the interview footage without thinking about he higher frame rate content. Should have set his/her timeline to to 60 and just let Premier handle the 3:2 pulldown of the 24fps content.
Kenpachii
Member
Wait on reviews and see what they draw then check your psu on a review site and see what it really delivers. And u are done. Mostly these numbers are inflated what they got on there boxes.
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RedVIper
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Yes, and the comparasion should be between DLSS and whatever resolution you need to set it to match DLSS performance.
Comparing 60fps 4k with 1440p internal resolution with 30fps native 4k and concluding that DLSS sucks is stupid.
GHG
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I think that now their cards are competitive they should have much more bargaining power when it comes to negotiating marketing partnership deals with developers/publishers.
Kuranghi
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It won't be 699, they said the 6800 XT was 649 for pete's sake.
Kuranghi
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Nearly as out of touch as Xbox giving Lego Indiana Jones 2 this month (and I loved the game lol), a game released in 1970:
https://www.cdkeys.com/lego-indiana-jones-2-the-adventure-continues-pc-steam
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Kuranghi
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I don't think you need to, use this: https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
You can use the basic one and it'll prob be 500-600 unless you have dozens of HDDs or something. It said 557W under load when I added in a 9700K + RTX 3080 and it recommended a Bronze 850W supply, which should give around 670W, so you'll be fine with your 750W one as long as its not a super cheapie one with two 12V rails.
Bolivar687
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supernova8
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If they put out a 6700 XT with 12 GB for $399 that almost matches the 3070 then I think AMD can win the mid range quite handily.
Surely people are sick of paying through the nose.
edit: of course raytracing is a different story but if you're really dead set on RT at this early stage, you're probably going NVIDIA whatever people tell you
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Insane Metal
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Kenpachii
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Heavy favorited games by AMD also people should stop testing the 5000 + 6000 combination. Zero people have that as of now and barely anybody will be upgrading towards it. It's completely useless for 99% of the people out there and also heavily limited to certain games.
Showcase me some real games people play like metro exodus / cyberpunk / cod / ac games / red dead redemption etc.
Showcase me some real games people play like metro exodus / cyberpunk / cod / ac games / red dead redemption etc.
It's a consideration for anyone building a new PC.
Damian black
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They will be the best cpus out there, so of course people will review the gpus with those.
Of course some publications will also test with intel 10th gen to see how much performance they lose.
michaelius
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If it's relatively new PSU from non shitty brand you will be fine.
Whole totally overclocked to the max test platform with 3090 gpu take 600W.
I am currently covered in poop.
smbu2000
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Well to be fair they did test the Nvidia cards on the same 5000 series test bench (5900X I believe) so the Nvidia cards can also take advantage of the slight pcie 4.0 boost.
Not all of the numbers include the SAM bonus of Ryzen3/RDNA2. The 6900XT had RM and SAM enabled.
The 6800XT was just stock and the 6800 had RM I believe.
The cards will be tested on both platforms so you don’t have to worry about seeing only 5000 series results.
ChuckeRearmed
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When DF will have access to all those devices for testing?
Tumle
Member
i just think its that minimum wording that is throwing me off
I think its because im comparing it to minimum system requirements for games
NVidia says recommended for there cards..
I'm currently using a GTX 980ti, with no problem.. but i'm sure the new cards have a bigger power draw.
Md Ray
Member
Maybe reviewers already have them. If not, I guess it'll be in their hands in the coming weeks.
AquaticSquirrel
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I get your overall point that some of these games likely favour AMD to some degree, but it is still a 10 game spread of games in popular franchises, the titles shown all have sold multiple million copies alone and some of them are used regularly in 3rd party GPU benchmarks.
Something else worth mentioning is that both the RX6000 series and the 3000 series were benchmarked using the same CPU. At 4K CPU uplifts are minimal anyway but would show more at 1440p or 1080p. Again though, both were benchmarked on the came CPU. Interestingly now that Ryzen takes the gaming performance crown and will launch before the RX6000 series it seems like most reviewers will upgrade their test bench CPUs to Ryzen 5000 series.
Important to note that 6800XT was shown without SAM or Rage Mode.
Of course with anything, we will need to wait for real unbiased reviews. Hardware Unboxed and Gamer's Nexus are about the best ones in my view, some of the others less reliable or trustworthy but I'm looking forward to seeing how they perform.
I predict the 6800XT will trade blows with 3080, winning and losing in a title by title basis but mostly being in the same ballpark. Some games might only have 1-3 fps difference. Depending on how large the quantity of titles tested is and which titles we could see either one come out on "top" when calculating the average FPS. Some games will be outliers with many more or less FPS which may skew final percentage numbers a bit but overall I'm not expecting a clean win for either 6800XT or 3080 with both being within a few % of each other in the end. (Probably 1-5%)
If you turn on SAM mode which seems to actually grant a real uplift, then the 6800XT should pull ahead of the 3080. This seems like a great feature and move by AMD leveraging their CPU momentum/products to grant additional performance to their GPUs, this will make a difference to people buying new rigs or upgrading. I think a lot of people are sleeping on the potential of this right now.
6800 there is not much to talk about, it will completely dominate 3070/2080ti.
6900XT is the one that will fall a little short of the 3090 in reviews, I expect a lot of huffing and puffing from the Nvidia super fans about this once reviews hit. Granted, it will be just a tiny bit behind the 3090 for $500 less and 50watts less power draw, that is pretty amazing when you think about so most reasonable people won't care. If you have a Ryzen 5000 series rig and turn on SAM it should add enough performance that the 6900XT matches 3090.
Now here is where it gets interesting, given the 50watt delta and the supposed extra clocking headroom of 6000 series, if you were to OC the reference 6900XT to match power draw with 3090FE I would imagine it would match or even slightly exceed the 3090 even without SAM enabled. Enable SAM and that is just the icing on the cake.
I will be interested to see how AIB models fair once AMD allows them to make AIB models of the 6900XT, if AMD allows them to unlock power limits to a high degree then I would love to see the top OC AIB 6900XT vs the top OC 3090 AIB card, I think the 6900XT might pull ahead here.
Either way, even without the top possible AIB OC model, any AIB with an OC to bring power draw closer to 3090 should likely exceed 3090 in performance.
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llien
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Why would a sane person watch DF reviews after Ampere "super early preview" video is beyond me.
There are plenty of reputable sites, from techpowerup to computerbase, who sum things up nicely, without asking people to click and waste time watching video.
llien
Member
AquaticSquirrel
Member
And so it begins...
Or you could just read the text version of the DF review, which has all the graphs.
Dr.D00p
Member
How can there be a review of a product that's not yet released...
AquaticSquirrel
Member
Actually I wanted to touch on this again, I went back to check the slides for the games showcased so I'll list them below:
Battlefield V
Borderlands 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Division 2
Doom Eternal
Forza Horizon 4
Gears of War 5
Resident Evil 3
Shadow of The Tomb Raider
Wolfenstein: Young Blood
You mentioned COD, but as you can see it is actually shown above. These titles are all pretty much multi-million selling titles in popular franchises in the AAA space.
Even more than that, most of them are regularly used in 3rd party benchmarking reviews. I find this complaint a bit confusing and honestly not really matching the reality.
Aside from that, had they showed something like Fortnite that tons of people "actually play" everyone would have complained they are showing a low graphical quality/requirement game.
Similarly, Cyberpunk is not even out yet, how would they be able to benchmark something that hasn't even released? Not to mention it being an Nvidia sponsored title so probably optimized for Nvidia GPUs.
We should get 3rd party reviews soon enough I would imagine, some of which will include a good chunk of these games AMD showcased here while also including some of the titles you've mentioned. Almost definitely we will see whatever the latest AC game being benchmarked and most likely RDR too.
Just give it a little time.
