AkelisRain
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I am really hoping Sony comes to a resolution, I want MH Worlds to have X-play.
I am really hoping Sony comes to a resolution, I want MH Worlds to have X-play.
But that's the point, even if there was crossplay that would never negate the fact that games which had issues or hold no interest to gamers would be ghost towns.... or that the numbers would dwindle significantly overtime...
Do you think Evolve would be budding now if it had crossplay? No....Do you think COD4 thriving online had anything to do with crossplay? The main reason you populate servers is because your game is fun....Warhawk, Socom back in the day etc..,People talk about indies, but just like AAA games, indies are populated if gamers have an interest and it's mad fun online..Anybody remember battlefield 1943 on the PSN, that game had so many people playing because it was such a fun game online, that's it...As I've said before, even the PC with billions in terms of a playerbase dont keep players for every game online. CP is simply not a problem solver in that respect...
CP also has some security issues that come with it, along with limited interaction with the cross platform. I can't report or interact with players on steam after a game of SFV...I just don't see CP taking off, it has too many downsides for paying customers on single paltforms. If they go full throttle on CP, with full interaction who will manage it? As I've said, If MS has such an interest in CP, they would be putting their money where their mouth is. All their first party games and console exclusives would be crossplay, they would have had a huge push for crossplay in the majority of their third party titles as well.....They would have pushed for crossplatform play between themselves and NIntendo more vigorously too.....not only Sony. MS has a PC/XB ecosystem, how many games are crossplay there? That's all you need to know....
They allow crossplay with PC, but it's limited in terms of the number of hooks applied....And yes, it is about security and protecting their ecosystem especially with their histoy in that regard...lawsuit settlement et al...If it was Microsoft doing it, we'd be BOTH, you and I calling them out. Enough with the security bullshit ! They allow Crossplay with PC, which is open as you said. It's not about security. It's not about protecting their ecosystem. It's about a dumb fear advantage.
And it's a stupid reason as stated before. I dont care about a company's interest. I care about my own interest. And MY interest should be a company's interest.
Your problem is you're only seeing things from the consumer perspective, understandable since you're a consumer, but from a corporation perspective like Sony this makes no sense whatsoever. Whoever is the market leader is going to heavily oppose cross play, it's just the way it is.That wasnt my point. My point was that it'd help smaller game to have less separated communities as they'd be one pool of community and not 3 or more.
Then again, security is BS. You have PC+PS4 crossplay. So please, let's put the security argument to bed.
No, Crossplay doesnt have downsides. There's no downside to be able to do more.
It's either no cross play or cross play with limited interaction. I prefer the later.
I also dont care about MS. Why do you have to bring MS on the table ? Two wrongs dont make a right, you know. I know that MS isnt some kind of crossplay champion or whatever. This isnt the point. This isnt the situation here.
The situation here is that developpers claims cross play between all platform is possible and that only one guy is blocking it. It's simple. No security bullshit. No "but the other wouldnt do it if they had the upper hand". I dont work for Sony. I dont work for MS. I dont work in the gaming industry. I look at very simple facts:
Crossplay is this close to be a thing. And if it was a thing for all platforms, it'd be more widespread. One actor dont want to be in. They have no excuse, plain and simple.
No need for crossplay.., enough players on ps4. I dont understand why people care about this
If its there fine, if its not I will still enjoy the game
Then move out of the way and let us get a feature we would like to have.
There is no one more customer oriented like I am...I'd like to think I'm one of the biggest proponents of such in these parts......However, I'd make a good argument for a customer when it's warranted and within their rights. Being a customer however does not mean you deserve everything, you pay a finite amount for a product or service and these services clearly state what you're getting...That wasnt my point. My point was that it'd help smaller game to have less separated communities as they'd be one pool of community and not 3 or more.
Then again, security is BS. You have PC+PS4 crossplay. So please, let's put the security argument to bed.
No, Crossplay doesnt have downsides. There's no downside to be able to do more.
It's either no cross play or cross play with limited interaction. I prefer the later.
I also dont care about MS. Why do you have to bring MS on the table ? Two wrongs dont make a right, you know. I know that MS isnt some kind of crossplay champion or whatever. This isnt the point. This isnt the situation here.
The situation here is that developpers claims cross play between all platform is possible and that only one guy is blocking it. It's simple. No security bullshit. No "but the other wouldnt do it if they had the upper hand". I dont work for Sony. I dont work for MS. I dont work in the gaming industry. I look at very simple facts:
Crossplay is this close to be a thing. And if it was a thing for all platforms, it'd be more widespread. One actor dont want to be in. They have no excuse, plain and simple.
Get over it, Sony allow it with PC, they just don't want it with Live which is fair enough.
There aren't even enough cross play games that make it a big deal anyway.
Some people take criticizing Sony very personallyNo. I'm not impacting your life by criticizing and asking a corporations for features. If you don't mind, then don't mind.
I'll be asking for features that would improve the experience for gamers.
There is no one more customer oriented like I am...I'd like to think I'm one of the biggest proponents of such in these parts......However, I'd make a good argument for a customer when it's warranted and within their rights. Being a customer however does not mean you deserve everything, you pay a finite amount for a product or service and these services clearly state what you're getting...
Now, if within your service or contract/product agreement it states certain things that you should have received and did not..... I'd be the first to "raze" a storm, but we clearly can't go claiming things as a right of ours when it is not.....I'd like to go to a honda dealership and come out with a ferrari...I'd love for that to happen, but it's simply not logical or practical....
Also, if there is only one guy blocking crossplay, why dont the others go full throttle with CP and teach Sony a lesson and take over the market....Why isn't every game MS/NIN/PC crossplay?
I've asked a question since inception. MS is in the best position to have the most crossplay titles by far since they have a windows store and they have crossbuy. How many games are CP on the XB!? If this is so important for the industry and so important to MS, why aren't they pushing ahead with the majority party which you say agree with them....? Where are all the third party games which are crossplay PC/XB1 on their platform?
No. I'm not impacting your life by criticizing and asking a corporations for features. If you don't mind, then don't mind.
I'll be asking for features that would improve the experience for gamers.
Corporate shilling is NEVER goodYou just come across as self entitled. Boo hoo Sony don't want cross play with Xbox.
I want to play Halo against my mates, should MS make it cross play so I can play it on my PlayStation?
People are really blowing this up way bigger than it is, but if you feel so entitled please feel free to carry on getting salty about it.
Corporate shilling is NEVER good
As a consumer you should always want the best treatment from companies. When you wish to excuse a company for being shitty then I question your motivesNo Corporate shilling involved, self entitlement is strong these days.
You just come across as self entitled. Boo hoo Sony don't want cross play with Xbox.
I want to play Halo against my mates, should MS make it cross play so I can play it on my PlayStation?
People are really blowing this up way bigger than it is, but if you feel so entitled please feel free to carry on getting salty about it.
As a consumer you should always want the best treatment from companies. When you wish to excuse a company for being shitty then I question your motives
As a fan of playstation, fuck Sony for this. This doesn't hurt them in the slightest.
And this sums up the silliness of this conversation right there...Soon we will have XB1/PC owners demanding it's their right for Sony to put Uncharted, Gran Turismo or God of War on these platforms...As a consumer you should always want the best treatment from companies. When you wish to excuse a company for being shitty then I question your motives
Are companies being shitty when I can't play their exclusives on a particular console?
And this sums up the silliness of this conversation right there...Soon we will have XB1/PC owners demanding it's their right for Sony to put Uncharted, Gran Turismo or God of War on these platforms...
If you believe Sony is being shitty by not allowing MS and MS's paying customers on the PSN, then I don't know what world you live in.......
Not developing a game for a rival console isn't comparable to Sony blocking 3rd party devs from enabling full crossplay across all platforms.
Why isn't it, isn't it best for gamers though??
Why isn't it
isn't it best for gamers though??
Your problem is you're only seeing things from the consumer perspective, understandable since you're a consumer, but from a corporation perspective like Sony this makes no sense whatsoever. Whoever is the market leader is going to heavily oppose cross play, it's just the way it is.
I don't see how jumping into the cross platform game will hurt Sony's sales when they are leading the market. You don't think people who are looking to buy a system and see that you can cross play between the xbox and switch would rather go for that console over the ps4? Majority of your casual players see it as another feature the ps4 doesn't have. Why spend the money on a ps4 when you can spend it on a switch or an xbox and get more.It does. I'm not sure why people don't understand why the market leader doesn't allow this. It gives their competitors an edge and can only hurt their sales.
The network effect is real, it has an impact on sales, and cross play reduces the impact it has. It's always the market leader who refuses it and the struggling competitor who wants it for very simple reasons,
I don't see how jumping into the cross platform game will hurt Sony's sales when they are leading the market. You don't think people who are looking to buy a system and see that you can cross play between the xbox and switch would rather go for that console over the ps4? Majority of your casual players see it as another feature the ps4 doesn't have. Why spend the money on a ps4 when you can spend it on a switch or an xbox and get more.
Consumer's always right. That's the rule. Plain and simple. No, you don't advocate for customer, you're just finding excuses for Sony. Lame excuses at that and then you go for the strawman argument Microsoft. As I said, Microsoft being lame on that department doesn't excuse Sony.
And why does every title doesn't become Switch/XB1/PC crossplay ? Because publishers dont want troubles and make one version of their product inferior. Plain and simple.
But if all manufacturers would allow it, publishers wouldn't have to think twice, it'd benefit them.
And please, stop pretending it'd require Sony to make a big effort, and that "entitled" consumers are asking for the moon.
It's a freakin switch to press on developpers side. Sony just has to say "yes" and do nothing and just let players enjoy it. Plain and simple.
I don't see how jumping into the cross platform game will hurt Sony's sales when they are leading the market. You don't think people who are looking to buy a system and see that you can cross play between the xbox and switch would rather go for that console over the ps4? Majority of your casual players see it as another feature the ps4 doesn't have. Why spend the money on a ps4 when you can spend it on a switch or an xbox and get more.
The majority of casual gamers probably don't care to be honest.
From a corporation perspective this is a cheap move whose gain is far outweighed by the negative PR. Ask yourself how many extra PS4 they can sell by not allowing cross-play.
I'm here. Just very busy. Moving the family in my scenario is quite a chore. Others are handling these threads quite nicely though.
A.K.A. screw you got mine.
It's not right from a consumer perspective, but it absolutely makes no business sense whatsoever for Sony to allow cross play.
Get over it, Sony allow it with PC, they just don't want it with Live which is fair enough.
There aren't even enough cross play games that make it a big deal anyway.
Why would a business give their competitor, a playerbase they worked hard to amass.
thelastword always has an agenda is every one of these threads, he's the perfect candidate for the ignore list.
Get over it, Sony allow it with PC, they just don't want it with Live which is fair enough.
There aren't even enough cross play games that make it a big deal anyway.
You just come across as self entitled. Boo hoo Sony don't want cross play with Xbox.
I want to play Halo against my mates, should MS make it cross play so I can play it on my PlayStation?
People are really blowing this up way bigger than it is, but if you feel so entitled please feel free to carry on getting salty about it.
Exactly. Imagining developers would love to only have to maintain one huge combined playerbaseActually they would be giving it to developers who are asking for it. To strengthen online communities in games to sell more copies and DLC so everyone makes more money. Sony is so far a head and cross play is at at stage it would do zero harm to Sony sales wise.
Well yeah, I know, but it's crazy to see PC peeps and even other PS4 fans calling him out like so. Even his own "side" doesn't like him, lol.
Why the fuck are you in this thread? Don't tell people to get over it. Instead, just don't post. This is a legitimate issue and the corporate shilling in here is starting to get out of hand.
What? How does any of this equate to playing a first party game on a competitors console? You're desperately grasping for straws and not even doing a good job at it. Instead of insulting people for an issue you claim to not care about, how about attemtping to understand why many people claim this is anti-consumer?
They should work on performance, pretty sure Sony allows that.