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ShallNoiseUpon
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:lol fistful
Piracy is typically committed by people who wouldn't be legitimately buying the product anyway. For the majority of pirated copies of music or games or anything else, there is no effective loss of revenue by the copyright holder. This varies of course depending on the market and the product in question. Some companies have very likely been hit hard by piracy, like some single player game devs on PC in times past.
Adblocking a site has a direct impact on that site's revenue for each person adblocking (unless their ads aren't CPM-based). The alternative to piracy is not necessarily buying the product, since there is a cost of entry; the alternative to adblocking is not adblocking, which would only prevent the absolute most anal people on the internet from visiting a site with unobtrusive ads.
That's what I mean by "worse." Hypothetical revenue vs guaranteed revenue. Time to shuttle me off to the insane asylum!
And of COURSE adblocking isn't a crime. And the above is not ethical justification for piracy by any stretch. Chill out.
Adblocking a site has a direct impact on that site's revenue for each person adblocking (unless their ads aren't CPM-based). The alternative to piracy is not necessarily buying the product, since there is a cost of entry; the alternative to adblocking is not adblocking, which would only prevent the absolute most anal people on the internet from visiting a site with unobtrusive ads.
That's what I mean by "worse." Hypothetical revenue vs guaranteed revenue. Time to shuttle me off to the insane asylum!
And of COURSE adblocking isn't a crime. And the above is not ethical justification for piracy by any stretch. Chill out.
fistfulofnotgonnaposthereanymore
I have a buddy who works for the online division of a newspaper. He hates ab+ and noscript. He hates forced pop up ads even more though. So he personally uses ad blockers because of how prevalent the crappy ads are. I think if sites got rid of the "in your face ads," people wouldn't resort to circumventing ads at all.
I have a buddy who works for the online division of a newspaper. He hates ab+ and noscript. He hates forced pop up ads even more though. So he personally uses ad blockers because of how prevalent the crappy ads are. I think if sites got rid of the "in your face ads," people wouldn't resort to circumventing ads at all.
Magnus_Bulla
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EviLore said:
Makes sense. Bars to ignore at the top and bottom of the screen are a small price to pay for GAF.
Also, an adblocking person uses server resources every time they visit a site, without (by viewing ads) helping to recoup the costs of having a powerful enough infrastructure to handle them and everyone else visiting. Bigger the site, more money it costs to run it, but if that site has more and more adblockers they could get into serious trouble as they expand.
Magnus_Bulla
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No, it's not that bad at all, that's what I was getting at. Probably just didn't articulate my point well enough.J.M.Reyes said:
SapientWolf
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I don't mind ads, but I'm worried by the fact that so many of the sites and services I enjoy on the internet are propped up entirely by ad revenue. If that revenue goes away will they go away as well?Hitokage said:
ShadyLurker
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Thnikkaman said:
And thank you for that. Nothing is more annoying then listening to a song on Youtube or something and then some ad for cooking utensils comes blaring on your speakers 50 decibels louder.
SapientWolf said:
Yep!
Ad revenue, subscriptions, donations. Take your pick, but the viability of each model will vary from site to site. Donations work for Wikipedia, but wouldn't work for Google. Subscriptions work for SA Forums but wouldn't work for most non-huge forums. etc.
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The Google ads have hilarious results on threads pretty often.
Fox the Sly
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The funny thing is, I didn't realize GAF had ads until recently when I used Chrome. They're not obnoxious so I turned AdBlock off. :lol
Tornado Condor
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weird......nskinnear said:
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Deleted member 22576
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Yeah, that was kinda spooky, I changed my reply just to be safe.
Magnus_Bulla
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Said that fist was perma'd, according to some other forum that was blocked out._Isaac said:
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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I honestly hope fistful comes back at some point. He was entertaining and good at trolling.
PhoenixDark
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EviLore said:
Are you suggesting piracy has little to no effect on the revenue of entertainment mediums? Also I'd be interested in seeing any research/info you have concerning the bold text; not calling you out, simply curious
sooperkool
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The Ads do what they're supposed to for me, occasionally I'll see something interesting and click on it. Sometimes if its just for lolz, I figure, what the hell can it hurt?
fistfulofmetal said:
WHY!?!?
Hope he comes back eventually. I'll miss his posts...
Oh, and onto the topic at hand: Don't 'whine in a GoW3 thread'... I'm not sure how I was doing so, but whatevs. It was a month long ban, so I had to go back to lurking for a good while, but I guess I should be lucky that it wasn't permanent, since I was such a young member (I don't think I was still Junior, but still).
So, I will make it a point to never whine in a GoW 3 thread. Now any other thread is fair game
Wow, /pours one out for fistful. I guess I was lucky that I only made a dumbfuck joke about adblocking and wasn't a complete asshole about it so I only got a one month ban. Although Evilore did call me a kumquat, that will never really heal.
(I have adblock disabled on gaf btw)
(I have adblock disabled on gaf btw)
PhoenixDark said:
No, just that there isn't a 1:1 relationship between number of copies pirated and effective revenue lost. Proven by the easy anecdote that I pirated lots of stuff when I was a kid with an income of zero. "Typically" is speculation, since we don't really have a good way to prove just how much less than 1:1 it is. So I'll say typically, and the RIAA will go on saying that it's losing 100 trillion dollars a year to each person with a broadband connection.
Just get 25 Fistful fans to contribute $2.Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
It is true that the ads are innocuous. I usually don't notice them and the only annoyingly placed ad doesn't show up if you're logged in. I'm surprised Hito hasn't pushed for a fundraiser model to make this place more like NPR. ;-)
PhoenixDark said:
Obviously this is pretty off-topic for this thread but while his point may be speculative, I agree wholeheartedly with the logic behind it. I don't think there is market research available that shows how much effect on revenue piracy doesn't have, so we might be out of luck there.
PedroLumpy
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Wow, I always knew he was crazy, but to have so much contempt for the community he's part of, what a dick.
Oh and that's another one for the original post.
Oh and that's another one for the original post.
EviLore said:
But sadly, even in game piracy, this same thing exists. The people out there trying to hack their games to be able to play on official servers, for example. How they justify that kind of crap, I'll never understand.
I can understand the pirates who just have a copy of the game, and for all purposes, don't exist to the company..and if they were never planning to buy the game, really never hurt them. It sucks, they should support the dev, but at least they're not actively sucking resources from them.
For what it's worth, I use AdBlock+ to filter out the garbage, but I specifically whitelist sites that I regularly use (which have unobtrusive ads). GAF, Gmail, digg, etc.
I'd really love to see an adblock list that specifically catered to annoying ads. Last I checked, nothing really existed on that front...which is too bad, since it's really not a black/white issue.
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