Communication, commitment, no short fuse 'I give up I'm leaving' tempers, I want to go in there with people that know we are going to die, multiple times. . I may not know some of these Gaf people in person, but I know I'll be teaming up with the ones with the right intentions
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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
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liquidrage
Neo Member
No. I don't think you do. You've given no tools to find the people to play with.
Either you know 5 other people to play with, or you don't.
I'm going to end up on reddit trying to form a raid group and spend the most frustrating time not having your content beat me, but nothing being able to actually form a group together.
You should use a gearscore for matchmaking and provide it. It's not like the clans will help, we can't type to each other.
You've basically said, "Bring your own". EQ was far more forgiving. I know. I was there from beta on. I could find guilds in /ooc, join them, and in /g decide to do content together.
You're not even offering that. I'm SOL doing your content no matter how dedicated I am in the game.
TrueGrime
Member
I wouldn't mind matchmaking with randoms. My last true MMO that I have played was FF14 and while at times for harder dungeons it took awhile to get together a random party the experience was satisfactory. Especially since it was my noob ass that was learning. When my guild mates weren't on then who could I have looked to in order to complete that dungeon?
Me: "Hey guys. New here. Anyone do this stance before?"
Random 1: "Nope."
Random 2: "Yup."
Random 3: "Nope."
Then the person that has done it before goes on to give us info. It's all about communication. To say all random interaction would be bad is untrue. To say that randoms can't take you through some difficult end game content, that's also untrue.
I'll never forget this group that got me through this.
Me: "Hey guys. New here. Anyone do this stance before?"
Random 1: "Nope."
Random 2: "Yup."
Random 3: "Nope."
Then the person that has done it before goes on to give us info. It's all about communication. To say all random interaction would be bad is untrue. To say that randoms can't take you through some difficult end game content, that's also untrue.
I'll never forget this group that got me through this.
Same thing happened before ODST. They announced that there wouldn't be any matchmaking for firefight and some people basically applauded the decision.
Made no sense to me and still doesn't. The option wouldn't harm anyone's experience. Anyone so concerned about the difficulty could simply not use matchmaking.
tokyostomp
Banned
Guess I won't be participating in these raids.
I have no friends.
I have no friends.
Quote for the truth.
I unfortunately doubt it, they would have tested in-game clans and public chat in the beta if those were in the full game. Those not being in makes no optional matchmaking a valid complaint, imo.
Ironic since you won't buy it because of parity.
molnizzle
Member
That type of interaction is impossible in Destiny though. There's no text chat, and voice chat is only available to manually created fire teams. Matchmaking groups don't support any voice chat. There would literally be no possible way for players to communicate with each other in a pugged raid. Emotes notwithstanding.
You could argue that communication should perhaps be easier in Destiny, but I'm not so sure. It's a double edged sword. Especially with FPS communities. I must admit, I greatly enjoyed the multiplayer in Journey and Dark Souls precisely because there was no voice communication. I think that's the angle that Bungie is going for with Destiny. They just let you voice chat if you manually put together a fire team with your friends.
I still think they'll cave in, one way or another. Bungie made dumb decisions from time to time, but they're not idiots when it comes to feedback.
It's because they feel that if there is matchmaking, then the raids will be "dumbed down" because the dirty casuals will cry too much that it's too hard.
Which is what happened with WoW. That's why Black Temple, Molten Core, etc are such hardcore raids that required insane skill levels and Dragon Soul, Siege of Orgrimmar, etc are such easy dumbed down faceroll raids that everyone could do them half asleep.
(Note: I'm being sarcastic. SoO is probably the most advanced WoW raid yet and the last statistic was that about 0.23% of the population had beaten Heroic Garrosh)
Anyway, if matchmaking really won't happen and Bungie won't budge, at least give us a chat or something in game.
That's usually what happens. The players do the weeding out themselves. Screwing things up for the team, you get the boot.
That's something they need to change too. If you're in a group with somebody then voice chat needs to be on by default.
Nocturno999
Member
I agree, even if it's going to be hard for me finding a group to participate, if ever, every MMO worth its money should have a few special epic dungeons that not any mortal should be able to clear.
As long as the regular content is plenty of course...
Hero Prinny
Member
This is pretty dumb. Its good to have options. I have friends but they mainly play really late during the weekdays and I only play with them during weekends. Weekdays I just play with randoms and ive never had any issues with them. Sure I wish they had mics but randoms are good enough
DaleinCalgary
Member
Boo. My pick up group may suck but my friends mostly don't pay video games and I'd be able to get a group of about 3 people.
TrueGrime
Member
I played Destiny on the XB1 and I tell you the experience with voice chat was painful at best. A lot of it stemmed from not being able to utilize party chat. I can understand being forced into non-party chat for Crucible events but for PvE it should be there. In either case, I remember being at the Tower and being randomly asked to join a fire team. There was three of us and two didn't have mics. Even without communication we were competent enough to complete the strike mission. Even in the shooters I play now (Titanfall for instance) we have a group of friends that usually play together and at least one of us didn't have a mic, but played well. It's still possible. I don't think Bungie will revisit the matchmaking system. That would be one hell of an update to add.
Jest Chillin
Member
Bungie have previously said that the same level of gear will be available through PvP, so there will be no advantages to gain through excelling at one mode and bringing the stuff to the other.
Instituting matchmaking wouldn't be the way to address this. Giving players better ways to create groups would be.
Biff
Member
My theory is that the first two mouse-wheel scrolls of a GAF thread greatly, greatly influence the initial sentiment of said GAF thread.
Somehow there was a combo of first posters who all somehow thought this was a great feature. The early dissenters were then dissuaded from posting at risk of going against consensus, based on the first set of posts they could read.
Takes a page for the real feelings to come out, but they do eventually. This is a completely backwards, terrible policy that sounds incredibly dogmatic of Bungie.
Somehow there was a combo of first posters who all somehow thought this was a great feature. The early dissenters were then dissuaded from posting at risk of going against consensus, based on the first set of posts they could read.
Takes a page for the real feelings to come out, but they do eventually. This is a completely backwards, terrible policy that sounds incredibly dogmatic of Bungie.
molnizzle
Member
I dunno. I've had more negative experiences with random voice chat than positive ones. If they automatically put voice chat into matchmaking, would that apply to Crucible as well? I'd likely never play the mode again if I had to listen to teenagers smoke weed and call each other faggots between every round.
Limiting voice chat to manual fire teams only... I think I might actually support that. Though I won't know for sure until I get my hands on the full game and play some of the higher level strikes.
Have a mute all option. However I need to be able to communicate with the randoms in Crucible. Basic stuff like "we're losing A" is crucial.
And that would be fine too. My main point was that people will find a way, so why not make it easier for them to? Right now it's a pain in the ass just for the sake of being a pain in the ass. If random folks could communicate with each other in some way to form groups, then I totally agree that it might be a better option than matchmaking. Unfortunately Bungie couldn't even be bothered to make communication in game easy for even Clans, so matchmaking just seems like a more realistic thing for them to do.
molnizzle
Member
What do you mean by that? Could you not use XBL party chat while playing Destiny? Because you definitely could on PSN. It was actually the only way to get decent audio quality (Bungie's integrated audio codecs were absolutely horrendous).
ShinMaruku
Member
Since we know jack shit about raids, one can't say if this is the only gate.
the game pretty much tells which points you are losing.
molnizzle
Member
I'd say that you should be rolling with a party of friends if that level of coordination and communication is important to you.
"Mute all" is acceptable, but most games don't have that. Titanfall, for example.
TrueGrime
Member
Nope. You could be in a party but couldn't use party chat if you were playing. We were forced to cut party chat altogether and the team leader would invite people to the screen where you choose where to go next. Where you see your ship. Then you could communicate using in-game chat.
Fermbiz
Gold Member
Almost reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLWmNuuSOA
Only this time its "Its time to slay the Wizard!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLWmNuuSOA
Only this time its "Its time to slay the Wizard!"
Future patch? More like future DLC. /sarcasm
Seriously, I still can't believe some guy in this thread said Raid matchmaking will be DLC. How fucking cynical you have to be to believe that shit?
Bungie may have made stupid decisions, but they are NOT THAT STUPID.
Jackbooted
Member
That was an annoying bug for sure. We had to form the party outside of Destiny then boot it up for it to work outside of being snapped.
liquidrage
Neo Member
You've confused the content being difficult, with the ability to find people to do the content with being difficult. If the content beats you, well played. If the inability to find people to try with beats you, game over.
TrueGrime
Member
So that was just a bug? Wasn't aware. I seriously thought that's how it functioned.
molnizzle
Member
That's gotta be a bug.
Party chat worked fine on PS4, I used it constantly during both alpha and beta. Far superior to Bungle's integrated chat.
Sorry but you don't "fix" an issue by ignoring it. That is basic kindergarten common sense.
Why randoms are terribad players? That should be the first question not the answer of "randoms are terribad players".
And the answer is simple - Because the content,
Why randoms are terribad players? That should be the first question not the answer of "randoms are terribad players".
And the answer is simple - Because the content,
- Does not encourage or omit voice-com - "Who has TS/Skype,ect?"
- Does not encourage or omit team communication - "Let's do this" = Wipe
- Creates a solorider attitude - "Who needs friends or people?"
- Creates a solitary mindset - "I can solo everything"
This isn't Blizzard and Bungie seems rather intent on making me believe Destiny isn't an MMO. I don't see why they have to stick to MMO standards.
Netherscourge
Banned
Looks like all the DestinyGaf sub-groups are closed?
At least NA 1 to 4 are...
At least NA 1 to 4 are...
lazorexplosion
Member
It's never really going to work because it's just not a very efficient way to make content.
The lesson of WoW LFR raiding is that a large vocal subset of hardcore raiders care as much or more about the public epeen gained by the exclusivity of their content than the actual challenge of the most challenging content.
Spending development resources trying to satisfy people who are more satisfied when less people can experience it? That's a very limiting way of developing content.
The lesson of WoW LFR raiding is that a large vocal subset of hardcore raiders care as much or more about the public epeen gained by the exclusivity of their content than the actual challenge of the most challenging content.
Spending development resources trying to satisfy people who are more satisfied when less people can experience it? That's a very limiting way of developing content.
Then try NA5?
NullPointer
Member
Whats the point of a super impossible multi-hour raid if you could get the same quality of loot otherwise.
Of course, I'd still have fun actually playing through it, but I'm asking for the "it needs to be super exclusive" crowd.
Netherscourge
Banned
ChosenPredator
Banned
Surprised how much people say this is good news...I don't think it is there is a large amount of players who will probably never even touch this kind of stuff unless you're hardcore member who dwells online gaming forums - i rather there be so sort of match making for the people that need it the people who don't need it will never need to use it anyways since they have their large group of friends or online community to play with..gotta give the third man some help.
Jest Chillin
Member
The unique look of the items and the status symbol that represents that you got it doing "X" activity.
People will know the "Gun of WTFPWNZORZ" came from the Raid while the "Gun of WTFBBQSAUCE" came from PvP. They'll be immediately recognizable at a glance as well. That's also why when you look at the Purple Tier gear that the vendors have.. they not only look different by design but also have color schemes unique to each vendor. So people will know how you got what you got, at a glance.
Nocturno999
Member
But why risk 2 hours of your time with strangers? It seems this content will
require a lot of coordination. You only need 1 or 2 morons to ruin it all.
They do when they hit their second subclasses. The supers for the Warlock and the Titan in those cases are strictly support-based.