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Digital Foundry Face-Off: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (PC/PS4/XB1)
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It's got some lovely art and atmosphere, but people will have to excuse me if that's not what I comment on in a graphics thread. For those who don't mind the graphics, enjoy it. I mind how poorly I find it compares to other games graphically on PS4. Let alone PC.
Dying Light was pretty unfinished on consoles at release. The flaming barrel light sources as well as improved LOD and af (PS4 version) were added to consoles in a post-launch update.
Dictator93
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I kid, I kid.
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RedAssedApe
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so you're playing the game right now? if so...dunno what else to say to you. if you hate it so much stop playing?
Like I said, the game does not screenshot well. The AA solution simply does not hold up for still shots, while it works better in motion. That makes a big difference when actually playing. It's still not super clean, but it's not as bad as the screenshots make them seem(just like Bloodborne's CA, for instance).
The biggest issues beyond textures and random shadows 10 miles away on consoles to me would be the frame rate. 30 and less isn't really appealing, especially when you consider what it sacrifices to achieve it. Reading the witcher threads you can see some of the posters here complaining about performance, that sucks. There's nothing that I hate more than having a game chug on me. Well, tell you guys what. I have a solution to that. It doesn't end with a 4 or a One.
haha! should have used a primape tho
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haha! should have used a primape tho
DarkLordMalik
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Watch Dogs and GTA V. Both of these hold solid 30 fps 99 percent of the time, and I own both of them.
Regarding shadows, I was talking about draw distance for them and the comparison eatchildren shared speaks volume.
The low NPC count is also disappointing.
Lifejumper
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Hes constantly bashing the game, makes you wonder why he even bought the game.so you're playing the game right now? if so...dunno what else to say to you. if you hate it so much stop playing?
Out of curiosity, what's the performance hit going from one to the other? And what would you say is the minimum GPU requirement to get it looking like that, at 1080p with v-sync at 30fps locked?
Idk, I own the ps4 version, graphically I'm definitely not impressed as I was by other games on the system. Then again, other games were not doing the immense size and depth of the Witcher.
I think the cut scenes are horrible, I get texture/color pop in, one second it's night, then day, then there seems to be drops in frames during those moments. (in particular after the griffin when you first encounter
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I feel like I'm playing a pc game with a controller and I'm sitting too far away from my monitor. They need to boost the size of the text on screen for consoles (if that's possible) I believe it is though, ff14 had that problem in its alpha
I think the cut scenes are horrible, I get texture/color pop in, one second it's night, then day, then there seems to be drops in frames during those moments. (in particular after the griffin when you first encounter
yennifer
I feel like I'm playing a pc game with a controller and I'm sitting too far away from my monitor. They need to boost the size of the text on screen for consoles (if that's possible) I believe it is though, ff14 had that problem in its alpha
Dictator93
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These terrible screenshots are a waste of time,Including the PC screenshots
The game is insane.I take a deep breath every time it starts up.Its so good.
No to mention that 100% seamlessness from outdoors to indoor areas.
I am extremely enjoying the lack of loading. I am constantly surprised how the world is actually contiguous... even in massive dungeons.
Strong CPU required more than GPU, you're looking at a 280-280x or maybe slightly less if you are shooting for 30fps.
I heard about the LOD and AF improvements but nothing about light sources, got a link ?
Blackthorn
"hello?" "this is vagina"
If the posts in the screenshot thread and your own experiences don't satisfy then there's nothing else to be done. I genuinely don't know what you expected from the game on consoles. Either way, using a single, unflattering image doesn't strike me as a fair way of evaluating the game.
Well you're wrong. W3 actually holds a similar frame rate consistency to both the above games (just compare DF frame rate analysis videos), and GTA V is actually worse, especially in driving conditions in inner city areas, where it can drop for larger chunks at a time. Cut scenes are a different story however, where the PS4's v-sync issue lends to random 20fps moments (without the sync the drop would likely be far less substantial).
Dictator93
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They made it so torches had a pointlight.
Yup ,and the game actually zooms in indoors and you can see they were still able to add sufficient,beautiful details in every house/inn/whatever you can enter.
I am sure the artists deserve a lot of credit for that ,but there is nothing like that in previous gen games.
This game definitely handles an insane amount of complexity not seen before.
The difference is quite massive, no doubt, but the scene still looks good in both shots. When you make that comparison it becomes obvious how much more detail is available on the PC but, during normal gameplay, that scene won't look out of place or poor on PS4 especially when using a good display.
I think this is a point that is often glossed over. Details can be absent but the resulting image can still appear quite attractive.
My point is that I feel CDPR (weird hitches aside) did a pretty damn good job on the console versions. The PC version is superior, as it should be, but the console versions look very good on their own terms.
Dictator93
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I am not sure how much you have looked into it. But on my end, the only hitching is how the camera moves and not with frametime issues (which are a flat 16.6). I hope they look into smoothing out their camera motion while running and galloping.
Would a GTX 570 SSC and i7 OC'd to 3.7ghz (older version) combo do the trick?
Didn't know that.
Unfortunately no, you are much better served by the PS4 version.
The Witcher 3 can be very taxing :
The foliage density and shadows settings on ultra KILL the framerate.
Without Hairworks.
I had to drop those two to high, turn off Hairworks if I wanted to achieve 60fps on my machine (970 / 4770K).
Dictator93
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A 570 is an ancient card. It would suffer on many levels. Which i7 series?
I have a problem with capping the frame-rate. Whether I'm using half-refresh, RTSS, or the in-game limiter, the game feels jerky and skips about at 30fps.
When unlocked, the hitches are minimized, but I cannot hold 60fps without dropping a number of details down a bit. So I'm still trying to figure out how I want to play the game at this point.
It is indeed made much worse with the weird camera movement. As the player runs the camera lurches along with each step in a way that makes the game appear jerkier than it actually is.
Agreed. The PS4 version still holds up to the PC version on Ultra quite well and looks much better than I initially thought it would. Suddenly, here in this thread, we have people saying it doesn't look good. Guys, I'm a console gamer myself and some may even call me biased towards Playstation, but admit it, CDP did a good job considering the hardware. Though the difference between the PS4 and XB1 versions should have been bigger.
GoonerTRON
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I love playing on a massive screen with 5.1 aswell, it's why god invented HDMI cables longer than 1.5 metres.
In screenshots it's nothing special, but when its running at 60fps with minimal pop in and extremely fast load times that's when it matters.
alexandros
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Damn straight! I just love seeing that scrappy little card produce good results again and again. I can't wait to see its successor, if Nvidia doesn't pull any punches it could end up powering a whole generation of living room PCs.
Looks like an awful job for how the game looks on consoles. I miss the original style of the art. Not impressive for me.
People keep trying to tell me these are some of the best graphics, but this is my PS4:
Pine needles all but disappear into blurred textures at just a couple dozen feet away on the left bush.
I don't quite get this line of thinking.
If I had a PS4 or a budget system with a 750ti or a similarly capable laptop, I would be more than happy with the quality of the visuals considering how they have scaled on the PC.
Unfortunately no, you are much better served by the PS4 version.
The Witcher 3 can be very taxing :
The foliage density and shadows settings on ultra KILL the framerate.
Without Hairworks.
I had to drop those two to high, turn off Hairworks if I wanted to achieve 60fps on my machine (970 / 4770K).
Never mind, looks like I made the right choice with the PS4 version. Getting a new GPU when the new architecture and die size arrives anyway.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
The absences of shadows in the PS4 shot is Jarring considering the game is very heavy in that department any other time on the PS4.
Forza Horizon 2.
Thanks for the link but the LOD seems still much worse than in the PC version. :/
Not sure about that. A weaker 750Ti with an i3 can move the game on same quality + better textures + more population + ¿better physics? at a slightly better framerate.
I really don't think the 750ti is either weaker or better than the ps4. They are however, comparable.
GoonerTRON
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So I should turn this off? What does it do?
MGSV Phantom Pain is 60fps so I'd be surprised if it dips below 30. GZ was solid.
it sharpens the final image and looks terrible
though they did add a lower sharpening setting with 1.03 that's better than it was before
Sticky&Sweet
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Alkastelca
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Yeah seems like same issues are also on PC: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/37181-Strange-movement-camera-judder-effect-on-PC
How come no one at CDprojektRed when playing/developing noticed the stuttering ?
Or maybe they just don't care
Aceofspades
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CDPR sent PS4 versions of the game to the reviewers despite having a Marketing deal with MS. That was like a huge hint that PS4 is the preffered console version.
Also, 99.99% of the time PS4>X1, we should accept that by now.
The 750Ti is also backed up by an i7 processor and 16GB RAM.
But ignore all that. OH WOW 750Ti OMG BBQ OF WTF