They've always pushed it as a home console, yeah. I dunno why I'm seeing Nintendo fans change the narrative to "it's a 3DS successor" recently. Nintendo never said it was and have always pushed it as a home console with a hybrid gimmick.
I don't want to be the person to say I told you so but I told you so.
People were saying Switch will be more powerful than NVidia Shield TV. I always said it will just about matching NVidia Shield TV in docked mode and will be weaker in portable mode.
Could this mean a $199 launch price?
Even Laura Kate Dale is saying she's confident the system would outperform the wiiU in handheld mode which would wouldn't be possible running the system with the default X1 configuration at the given clocks.
Is it possible the differentiation in rumors and this news is because Nintendo lowered specs shortly before release, much like they did with Wii U?
You mean "did we really expect anything more from Nintendo?"Did we reslly expect anything less from Nintendo? I sure didn't although I wanted something different. Nintendo bowed out of the arms race a long long time ago.
Nintendo is known for its awesome games and they will continue to do the same on Switch. This will of course alienate the 3rd party devs who will refuse to dumb down their franchises for the Switch and in turn it may push away gamers who just want one box and prefer it to be Nintendo for all their gaming needs.
Has there ever been actual proof of that regarding Wii U?
The dev kit specs have apparently stayed consistent, so I doubt it, in any case.
differentiation in rumors from who?
Wow. That's lower then even the most pessimistic predictions (aside from a few outliers). WUST redux. Sounds like X1 at 20nm. Disappointing.
It better. Any higher than that and I sit out the launch if this is accurate. My phone is beefier.
The PS4 and the Xbone has completely disproven this hypothesis. Hell, so did the WiiU. Exclusives no longer sell consoles.
I am very intrigued by the fan, if it's 50% of tegra X1 cpu-wise and 77% gpu-wise (while docked) , why does it need a ventilation fan ?
Wow. That's lower then even the most pessimistic predictions (aside from a few outliers). WUST redux. Sounds like X1 at 20nm. Disappointing.
It better. Any higher than that and I sit out the launch if this is accurate. My phone is beefier.
The CPU is bad but it still shits on Espresso from the top of a mountain.That CPU has the potential to be a bottleneck for WiiU ports... ?_?_?_?_?
Poor design maybe? Or they really wanted to be thin?
Has Matt commented? "Third party support will not be a question of power," he said.
People on the board.
This is good news in that it will accelerate Nintendo as as software only company. I'll be happy with Mario on a Sony system.
Who's Matt?
Yeah.. one "source" tells us it's over 1TFLOP (still unlikely) and the other puts the figure towards the opposite end of the performance spectrum.
500 engineering hours. Someone tweet Jen-Hsun Huang to congratulate him, clearly, if they managed to convince Nintendo to have lower than TegraX1 performance, 2 years later, and still charge 500 engineering hours to Nintendo, they made the best technological heist of the 2010's
NVidia Blog said:But creating a device so fun required some serious engineering. The development encompassed 500 man-years of effort across every facet of creating a new gaming platform: algorithms, computer architecture, system design, system software, APIs, game engines and peripherals. They all had to be rethought and redesigned for Nintendo to deliver the best experience for gamers, whether theyre in the living room or on the move.
Did we reslly expect anything less from Nintendo? I sure didn't although I wanted something different. Nintendo bowed out of the arms race a long long time ago.
Nintendo is known for its awesome games and they will continue to do the same on Switch. This will of course alienate the 3rd party devs who will refuse to dumb down their franchises for the Switch and in turn it may push away gamers who just want one box and prefer it to be Nintendo for all their gaming needs.
May I see the math? I keep getting 196.6...
We had a dev on GAF confirm it at one point.
People on the board.
I technically know why, I also know why it matters to a lot of NeoGAF because we're having a discussion here and that's fine, but I still feel compelled to ask:
Who cares?
This is freaking Nintendo we're talking about. How are you not used to this by now? How have you not come to expect this by now? How have you still not seen that the final product will rival and often surpass other hardware in terms of both beauty and performance?
I suppose it may be better to ask:
Why should I care?
I know that Nintendo uses underpowered hardware and I have for 10 years now. I know that Nintendo still makes the best, most creative, most well-designed games in the industry anyway. I know that this is going to be both a home and a portable console. I know this is going to have the combined output of their console and handheld games teams. Why should this affect any of those things?
Even if Titanfall 2 or Dark Souls 3 runs on my Switch, would I really purchase them there when I could likely find them on sale for $10 at that point for my PS4 or even more likely own them already in the first place? Probably not. Would 3rd party (particularly western) developers support Nintendo hardware even if it did match the PS4 in terms of power? Probably not. Would turning the thing into a hardware beast sell more Switch units? Probably not.
All that to say, yeah it is fine to be disappointed, but this hardly warrants some of the freak out I'm seeing. Nintendo consoles are just as strong as other consoles, their strength just lies in other places. Namely, their strong first party support, their couch multiplayer, and their creativity. It's gonna be fine.
It seems that Nintendo prioritise other factors instead raw power, namely system heat, battery life, price.Yeah.. one "source" tells us it's over 1TFLOP (still unlikely) and the other puts the figure towards the opposite end of the performance spectrum.
500 engineering hours. Someone tweet Jen-Hsun Huang to congratulate him, clearly, if they managed to convince Nintendo to have lower than TegraX1 performance, 2 years later, and still charge 500 engineering hours to Nintendo, they made the best technological heist of the 2010's
Wait, so why does it have fans with these specs?
Just bought a nvidia shield tablet new for under $199 which is more powerful and has a better display so this better be. He'll some prepaid phones are more powerful. This news makes it sound like the dock/home usage was an afterthought and it was originally designed to be only mobile.Could this mean a $199 launch price?
Welp. I was wrong. It really is just a portable Wii U and bumped-up one when docked. Can we officially call NateDrake a fake now? This really is just where the successor to the Vita would land. Skyrim will chug on this. It's weaker than the PS3 by a huge margin when portable. This is not a current-generation machine.
I'm sorry to all of the naysayers I argued with. You were right. I'll never be optimistic about Nintendo again.
If its more powerful than Wii U, I am okay with that. I already have a PS4 Pro for my massive hi res games. I want my Nintendo style games and those do not require bleeding edge visuals for me.
Not that i was going to play BF1 on this. Will wait for the full reveal.
Yes and the few we saw on the switch portable mode, it seems to run smoothly than Wii U
Presumably they don't want their unit to throttle clocks at any time.
I'm as big a Nintendo fanboy as there is. But they definitely should not get a pass on this one. I'm still in for the games, but their hardware choices are very stingy and I will be vocal about criticizing them.Nice to see Nintendo not getting a pass for limiting themselves with woefully subpar hardware. Can't wait to hear the price of this thing. As someone who doesn't care about portability, they can especially fuck right off if it's a cent over $199.99
You will never see most third party games either. There will probably be some bad spinoffs like the Wii got. Maybe.You will never see a Battlefield game on Nintendo.
Those Dark Souls trilogy rumors look a little silly now.
I'm assuming DS3 wouldn't run on this at all?
Are you sure?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-wii-u-graphics-power-finally-revealed
320 stream processors at 550mhz provide indeed 353 gflops.
We also have games like Smash Bros running at native 1080p and 60fps, I really doubt a 176 GFLOPs GPU is able to achieve that.