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November 15, 2013: PS4 is released
April 16, 2019: SCE outlines its next generation plans for the first time

Sony had Mark Cerny giving an interview with WIRED regarding their plans for the successor of PlayStation 4, information at the time including initial specs, the support of physical media, backwards compatibility with both PS4 and PSVR games, and the launch year being 2020.

www.wired.com

Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
www.wired.com www.wired.com

  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC: Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
  • Physical Media.
  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
  • Four years in development so far.
  • 2020.
If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly, won't be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments.

Considering that this was shared 1.5 years before the PS5 launched, in around 6 months we will be in a similar situation before the PS6 is released. Worth mentioning that Sony isn't exactly consistent with these things and it could go different ways, like within a year from launch as it was the case with the PS Vita and PS4.
 
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For the PS5 they announced in September and Launched in November 2020. I wouldn't expect anything till late summer/fall 2027 for PS6 news at the earliest.
 
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nial said:
No?
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They showed it earlier obviously, I'm just saying as far as the actual release date announcement that was the earliest article I could find that it was announced. I don't remember it all off the top of my head honestly so you're probably right.
 
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If you go back to the interviews and talks that Cerny has done this year, it's them talking about how they plan on tackling next gen. As for more direct breakdown, that'll be when they officially announce it.
 
nial said:
November 15, 2013: PS4 is released
April 16, 2019: SCE outlines its next generation plans for the first time

Sony had Mark Cerny giving an interview with WIRED regarding their plans for the successor of PlayStation 4, information at the time including initial specs, the support of physical media, backwards compatibility with both PS4 and PSVR games, and the launch year being 2020.

www.wired.com

Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
www.wired.com www.wired.com

  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC: Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
  • Physical Media.
  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
  • Four years in development so far.
  • 2020.
If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly, won't be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments.

Considering that this was shared 1.5 years before the PS5 launched, in around 6 months we will be in a similar situation before the PS6 is released. Worth mentioning that Sony isn't exactly consistent with these things and it could go different ways, like within a year from launch as it was the case with the PS Vita and PS4.
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No De-nial the PS5Pro only released a year ago, that's why your theory is absolute rubbish.
 
Sethbacca said:
They showed it earlier obviously, I'm just saying as far as the actual release date that was the earliest article I could find that it was announced. I don't remember it all off the top of my head honestly so you're probably right.
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They only announced the price and the actual release date in September 2020, but we already knew about their plans as early as April 2019, as I clearly showed in the OP.
Parazels said:
They don't want to confuse their customers and hurt PS5/Pro sales.
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Well, that was not much of a concern from them back then.
Loomy said:
If you go back to the interviews and talks that Cerny has done this year, it's them talking about how they plan on tackling next gen. As for more direct breakdown, that'll be when they officially announce it.
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They aren't nearly as focused on the actual next generation plans as the one I posted, though. All the recent tech talks are more akin to the PS3 talks before E3 2005.
Negotiator101 said:
No De-nial the PS5Pro only released a year ago, that's why your theory is absolute rubbish.
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Right now, not in the next 6 months or so. Microsoft literally announced Project Scarlett 1.5 years after the Xbox One X was released.
 
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I wish people actually explained why it can't be the case when it was already the case before, lol. Either way, it's 100% guaranteed to be officially outlined next year.
 
Yes they'll do it before the Steam Machine launch. Microsoft too. Neither will let Valve carve out and dictate what to focus on in this segment of the market by themselves.
 
9 months might be a good line for over/under. Honestly, I don't see much of a point in PS6 any time before 2029 while the 5 Pro exists unless you think there's an appetite for a $1k console.
 
No. I expect small hints here and there like that AMD collaboration video. Formal announcement and info dump will likely be end of the year 2026 or even Feb 2027.
 
viveks86 said:
No. I expect small hints here and there like that AMD collaboration video. Formal announcement and info dump will likely be end of the year 2026 or even Feb 2027.
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I unironically think that they should reveal it all at Tokyo Game Show 2026.
 
I can't imagine even the slightest excitement over new incremental consoles like this... it's already a huge waste of money to time to have released the half-generation Pro models IMO. Unless there's a real tech breakthrough, there is just nothing to get excited about anymore with a slightly bumped graphical fidelity or whatever. Who cares anymore.

I guess my total lack of even slight interest in the existence of a PS6 on the horizon tells me that console gaming is essentially dead to me, at least as far as tech. It hit a wall where there's no point anymore.
 
Maybe not the next 6 months, but they will almost certainly announce something in 2026, assuming the 2027 launch isn't delayed.
 
Can't see it happen that early, It could take the thunder out of the ps5 pro pssr/fsr4 upgrade coming next year.
 
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nial said:
I wish people actually explained why it can't be the case when it was already the case before, lol. Either way, it's 100% guaranteed to be officially outlined next year.
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Sony itself said just a few days ago that the PS5 is in the middle of its life cycle, and they expect to extend this cycle.

You can't compare it with the previous generation, because unlike last gen, a lot of things have changed. The most-played games are still titles that run on PS4 (Fortnite, GTA V, Minecraft, Roblox, FIFA, etc.), and not only that, but a lot of people still play on a PS4 — about 40% of the entire PlayStation user base. Also, consoles haven't received a single permanent price cut this generation; on the contrary, prices have increased in many major regions.

So I ask you: how can Sony benefit from launching a new console in 2027? It's pretty clear that for a big part of the market, better hardware is not that appealing. What would be the selling point of a new console that would be more expensive than the PS5 is right now and would still play the same games?

Sony is doing great keeping the PS5's momentum, and games like GTA VI, Wolverine, and Intergalactic will only boost that. I can see them releasing a PS5 Portable since the PS Portal seems to be a success, but I don't see a single reason why they would need a PS6 before 2028 at the earliest.
 
kaizenkko said:
Sony itself said just a few days ago that the PS5 is in the middle of its life cycle, and they expect to extend this cycle.

You can't compare it with the previous generation, because unlike last gen, a lot of things have changed. The most-played games are still titles that run on PS4 (Fortnite, GTA V, Minecraft, Roblox, FIFA, etc.), and not only that, but a lot of people still play on a PS4 — about 40% of the entire PlayStation user base. Also, consoles haven't received a single permanent price cut this generation; on the contrary, prices have increased in many major regions.

So I ask you: how can Sony benefit from launching a new console in 2027? It's pretty clear that for a big part of the market, better hardware is not that appealing. What would be the selling point of a new console that would be more expensive than the PS5 is right now and would still play the same games?

Sony is doing great keeping the PS5's momentum, and games like GTA VI, Wolverine, and Intergalactic will only boost that. I can see them releasing a PS5 Portable since the PS Portal seems to be a success, but I don't see a single reason why they would need a PS6 before 2028 at the earliest.
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It's already been confirmed that the PS6 is coming in 2027 by Kepler. When Sony said the PS5 is in the middle of it's life cycle it's because they don't plan to stop supporting it like in past generations. They will still support it along side the PS6. The same way PS4 is still getting a ton of games.

As for why would they? The same reason Nvidia keeps releasing GPUs. Consoles will just be like PCs now. Upgrade if you want or don't you'll still get the games just with lower performance.
 
kaizenkko said:
Sony itself said just a few days ago that the PS5 is in the middle of its life cycle, and they expect to extend this cycle.

You can't compare it with the previous generation, because unlike last gen, a lot of things have changed. The most-played games are still titles that run on PS4 (Fortnite, GTA V, Minecraft, Roblox, FIFA, etc.), and not only that, but a lot of people still play on a PS4 — about 40% of the entire PlayStation user base. Also, consoles haven't received a single permanent price cut this generation; on the contrary, prices have increased in many major regions.

So I ask you: how can Sony benefit from launching a new console in 2027? It's pretty clear that for a big part of the market, better hardware is not that appealing. What would be the selling point of a new console that would be more expensive than the PS5 is right now and would still play the same games?

Sony is doing great keeping the PS5's momentum, and games like GTA VI, Wolverine, and Intergalactic will only boost that. I can see them releasing a PS5 Portable since the PS Portal seems to be a success, but I don't see a single reason why they would need a PS6 before 2028 at the earliest.
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If you take that statement as the successor of the PS5 not coming until its lifecycle is over, then the PS6 is releasing in 2030. Not 2027, not 2028 as you are suggesting, 2030. Which makes no sense. You're just overthinking what is essentially another one of their "we will support a PlayStation console for 10 years" statements that they have been giving for 25 years.

That 40% figure for PS4 accounted for MAU on non-PlayStation hardware as well.

There isn't a PS5 Portable, there is a PS6 Portable. You cannot release the PS6 Portable without the main PS6.
 
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nial said:
They aren't nearly as focused on the actual next generation plans as the one I posted, though. All the recent tech talks are more akin to the PS3 talks before E3 2005.
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I agree. I think it may be closer to release before we hear something. I would honestly be very surprised if we see the PS6 in early 2027. I also keep forgetting that 6 months from now is almost June next year, so who knows.

I think They start their push in early 2027 for a Fall 2027 release.
 
Loomy said:
I agree. I think it may be closer to release before we hear something. I would honestly be very surprised if we see the PS6 in early 2027. I also keep forgetting that 6 months from now is almost June next year, so who knows.

I think They start their push in early 2027 for a Fall 2027 release.
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They could do the thing Nintendo has done with the Switch 1 and 2 and not say anything until 5 months before it launches. Who knows, Sony always does these things differently from generation to generation.
 
nial said:
November 15, 2013: PS4 is released
April 16, 2019: SCE outlines its next generation plans for the first time

Sony had Mark Cerny giving an interview with WIRED regarding their plans for the successor of PlayStation 4, information at the time including initial specs, the support of physical media, backwards compatibility with both PS4 and PSVR games, and the launch year being 2020.

www.wired.com

Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
www.wired.com www.wired.com

  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC: Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
  • Physical Media.
  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
  • Four years in development so far.
  • 2020.
If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly, won't be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments.

Considering that this was shared 1.5 years before the PS5 launched, in around 6 months we will be in a similar situation before the PS6 is released. Worth mentioning that Sony isn't exactly consistent with these things and it could go different ways, like within a year from launch as it was the case with the PS Vita and PS4.
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Probably not given the AI silicon apocalypse situation. If/when they have better visibility on supply they can start talking.
 
Not until GTA6 releases. No way they give a reason for people to just wait for a next-gen console when they're banking on that game unleashing a tidal wave of PS5 sales in its twilight years. There are also still tons of people on PS4, who I imagine Sony are not keen to see skip this generation's console purchase and go straight for the 6. Hence why they are throwing out "we're midway through the generation" quotes - they want to convince people it's a good time to upgrade now. Publicly outlining plans for the next one kneecaps that. Even if it does launch in 2027, as is tradition, I expect the timing of the messaging to be much tighter this time round.
 
mayham2199 said:
It's already been confirmed that the PS6 is coming in 2027 by Kepler. When Sony said the PS5 is in the middle of it's life cycle it's because they don't plan to stop supporting it like in past generations. They will still support it along side the PS6. The same way PS4 is still getting a ton of games.

As for why would they? The same reason Nvidia keeps releasing GPUs. Consoles will just be like PCs now. Upgrade if you want or don't you'll still get the games just with lower performance.
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You can only say it's confirmed when Sony itself says that. lol
 
nial said:
If you take that statement as the successor of the PS5 not coming until its lifecycle is over, then the PS6 is releasing in 2030. Not 2027, not 2028 as you are suggesting, 2030. Which makes no sense. You're just overthinking what is essentially another one of their "we will support a PlayStation console for 10 years" statements that they have been giving for 25 years.

That 40% figure for PS4 accounted for MAU on non-PlayStation hardware as well.

There isn't a PS5 Portable, there is a PS6 Portable. You cannot release the PS6 Portable without the main PS6.
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You ask for arguments and I give them to you. And why does it not make sense to release the PS6 in 2030? As I said, how can the PS6 contribute to their business?

And now we're going to pretend that a big percentage of these MAUs are on PC? lol

How can you know that a PS5 Portable can't happen? It's crazy how you seem to treat some rumors as absolute truth.
 
kaizenkko said:
You ask for arguments and I give them to you. And why does it not make sense to release the PS6 in 2030? As I said, how can the PS6 contribute to their business?
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That doesn't mean that I can't question the logic behind them. Releasing the PS6 in 2030 would imply going for 7 years of hardware slump before Sony has a new product on stores. Can you imagine what PS5 sales will look like after 7 years of hardware slump?
kaizenkko said:
And now we're going to pretend that a big percentage of these MAUs are on PC? lol
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Not exactly big, but not a non-negligible amount, either. And there's the fact that it will not stay at 40% forever, it's most likely not even at 40% right now.
kaizenkko said:
How can you know that a PS5 Portable can't happen? It's crazy how you seem to treat some rumors as absolute truth.
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It's a Zen 6/RDNA 5 handheld, this is not up to discussion.
 
nial said:
That doesn't mean that I can't question the logic behind them. Releasing the PS6 in 2030 would imply going for 7 years of hardware slump before Sony has a new product on stores. Can you imagine what PS5 sales will look like after 7 years of hardware slump?

Not exactly big, but not a non-negligible amount, either. And there's the fact that it will not stay at 40% forever, it's most likely not even at 40% right now.

It's a Zen 6/RDNA 5 handheld, this is not up to discussion.
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And can you imagine what PS6 sales would look like in the current economy? I'll ask you again: how would releasing the PS6 in 2027 contribute to their business?

And everything is up for discussion. I'm not going to treat any rumor as absolute truth, because that's what really doesn't make sense.
 
kaizenkko said:
And can you imagine what PS6 sales would look like in the current economy? I'll ask you again: how would releasing the PS6 in 2027 contribute to their business?
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In the current economy seeing the fastest-selling console of all time? It would contribute to them having high hardware sales and make money from software, that's it. Waiting too much will just lead to a stagnant combined userbase at the best case scenario, and a declining combined userbase at the worst case scenario (which is the most likely one).
kaizenkko said:
And everything is up for discussion. I'm not going to treat any rumor as absolute truth, because that's what really doesn't make sense.
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You can't separate the rumors of the next handheld from what we know of the specs.
 
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Its in sony's best interest ppl forget about next gen at least till few months after gta6 launch, so earliest we gonna see sony presenting its mashine officially is february 2027, might be later too depending if they make it for holidays 2027 launch it will be feb-may 2027 or feb to may 2028 if they cant make it to holidays 2027 and postpone console launch to holidays 2028.

At least thats what previous playstation launches and logic would suggest :messenger_sunglasses:
 
No.

He already talked about RT & AI improvements with the AMD guy.

I wouldn't expect him to dig deeper until 2027 because PS5 is selling well, there are many hits to be released and many people still to migrate from PS4 to PS5. So wouldn't be better to disrupt this and make people to wait to buy the next one, specially when very likely won't be released until at least late 2027.
 
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