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Do you think Sony is outlining its PS6 plans within the next 6 months?

In the current economy seeing the fastest-selling console of all time? It would contribute to them having high hardware sales and make money from software, that's it. Waiting too much will just lead to a stagnant combined userbase at the best case scenario, and a declining combined userbase at the worst case scenario.

You can't separate the rumors of the next handheld with what we know from the specs.
Switch 2 is priced at $450. The same cannot be applied to the PS6.

And how do you know that waiting will have the effects you claim? Sony hasn't even released their biggest games yet, and GTA VI still hasn't launched. The console will gain momentum.
 
They could do the thing Nintendo has done with the Switch 1 and 2 and not say anything until 5 months before it launches. Who knows, Sony always does these things differently from generation to generation.
That would be my preference. They're both going into their next console from a position of strength.
 
Switch 2 is priced at $450. The same cannot be applied to the PS6.

And how do you know that waiting will have the effects you claim? Sony hasn't even released their biggest games yet, and GTA VI still hasn't launched. The console will gain momentum.
The PS6 will not be much more expensive.

Sony has already released its biggest games because neither Wolverine nor Intergalactic will sell as much as Spider-Man 2 or Helldivers 2. GTA VI will drive consoles, sure, but not the extent of carrying the entire console for 4 more years. The hardware slump will still happen with or without GTA.
 
No, Sony won't say anything concrete about the PS6 until quite late in 2027, and with only a few months left before its release, there are still many millions of PS5s to sell and many GTA6 and Wolverine games to be played.
 
I think they'll make the strategic call of letting what may arguable be this gen's most important holiday season (the one GTA VI and Wolverine come out; while COD and sports game will be current-gen only) pass by before being vocal about any PS6 details beyond what Mark Cerny has been saying so far -- mostly in relation to their collaboration project with AMD.

This time last generation, RDR2 and Spider-Man had already come out; not the case for GTA VI and Wolverine.
 
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Come on, it's not a "lmao, no", it's more of a "Sony will, perhaps, change its strategy and not talk so early about its next generation plans compared to the last time". Did you guys even read the example I put in the OP.
I did, and I agree that that is what Sony did with the PS5's reveal, but for various reasons, I don't think that they are ready to commit to that this time around for various reasons, which include, among other things:
  • No immediate competitive incentive to do so, with Xbox having taken themselves out of the running, and Steam hardware and Switch 2 apparently not being viewed as direct competition by Sony.
  • The situation with the hardware components scene as it stands, with high end components going for extremely high prices even at massive scale. Hell, even relatively low end hardware like Switch 2 has to be priced at over $400, which is something Nintendo has literally never even approached before. RAM is costlier. SoC manufacturing at any available foundry, presumably TSMC's, commands absurdly premium rates, more than ever before, meaning the CPU and GPU are going to be expensive too. And they are undertaking the production of not just one expensive high end bit of hardware, but allegedly two, with at least one confirmed home console and one confirmed handheld. It's an absurd degree of financial risk to take on for literally no reason whatsoever.
  • I would assume before going into next generation Sony would want to get its software pipeline in order, rather than risk potential problems with the cadence of their releases yet again. If PS6 is beginning to be introduced in any form, even in a purely technical interview with Wired or Digital Foundry or something, that would imply it is going to release by the end of the following year at the worst. Meaning late 2027 at the latest. At which point Sony will be going into the PS6 with several of their best studios being years away from being able to release anything because they just put stuff out on the PS5 in the last couple of years - Naughty Dog is going to be early to mid 2027 with Intergalactic, Sucker Punch will just have released Ghost of Yotei a couple years ago, Guerrilla have their Horizon Monster Hunter like game apparently due out next year, Housemarque will have Saros in 2026, Insomniac will have Wolverine out next year, and while they delivered games at a great pace until 2023, ever since the (completely uncalled for) layoffs, we have no indication of their ability to match that speed anymore, particularly with Wolverine taking at least 3 years since the release of their last game, Bend and Bluepoint just canceled their current projects last year, meaning whatever they are working on now is at most a year or so of development in... what does that leave us with? I assume Asobi will have something out for launch, and maybe Polyphony will have GT8 out soon since it feels like it's time for one. Maybe Santa Monica's next game can be cross gen? But that's pretty much about it. You are going into the generation with the bulk of your studios being years away from releasing anything. Why would Sony possibly want to do that?
  • Sony just said a few days ago that they view the PS5 as being only halfway through its lifecycle. I assume they mean this as the period the PS5 will be actively sold for. Even if I assume they will have a cross gen period as long as this gen next gen, even longer, I do not think that they will continue to sell the PS5 as late as 2030 if PS6 is out in 2027. The most obvious reason to point out is that the already hard to get silicon and foundry time that I mentioned above will get split even more, meaning they cannibalize PS6 production with their own PS5 for years later than they need to. Sony saw no need to actively manufacture and sell PS4 that late into this generation, even with a very prolonged cross gen release strategy. They will not do that next generation, especially not when it makes absolutely no financial or logistical sense whatsoever.
  • There is a tariff wielding chucklefuck in charge and the global economy is more unstable than ever before. Launching new hardware in this environment is absolute lunacy, even Nintendo saw the Switch 2 launch get very nearly derailed because of this, they obviously couldn't do anything about it because of decisions that had been made at least 2-3 years ago; why would Sony, right now, decide that this is the environment they want to launch a presumably significantly more expensive than the Switch 2 (so $700-$800) console and at least an as expensive handheld, in? There would be no rationality in that decision making whatsoever.
  • If I were to use last generation as an analog, I would point out that Sony put out their next generation PlayStation more than four years after the release of the current Pro model, and would point out that that would indicate that the earliest we can expect PS6 in any form is 2028. But obviously this one I just included as a joke lol.
I don't think the example of last generation matters at all, because the environment back then is not the environment right now. I think Sony will want to prolong the generation length as much as possible before they introduce the PS6. 8 years of PS5 before PS6 releases is what I think will be the bare minimum; I wouldn't be surprised if they even dragged it out to 2029. Both of those, incidentally, would also be a lot more consistent with their comments about PS5's current point in its life cycle, than a 2027 release would be.
 
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I'm not following. You'll have to explain the significance.
That statement does not imply that the successor is going to release in 5 years as Sony has always committed to selling its consoles for, at least, 10 years. PS4, for example, was only discontinued in March of last year.
I assume Asobi will have something out for launch, and maybe Polyphony will have GT8 out soon since it feels like it's time for one. Maybe Santa Monica's next game can be cross gen? But that's pretty much about it. You are going into the generation with the bulk of your studios being years away from releasing anything. Why would Sony possibly want to do that?
Eh, you have Team Asobi, Polyphony Digital, Santa Monica Studio, Insomniac Games (they have Venom internally targeting 2027 and Spider-Man 3 internally targeting 2028), and then Guerrilla Games could have something ready by 2029, as well as Sucker Punch. This is also not taking into account any external collaborations Sony could have, like Marvel Tōkon.
why would Sony, right now, decide that this is the environment they want to launch a presumably significantly more expensive than the Switch 2 (so $700-$800) console and at least an as expensive handheld, in? There would be no rationality in that decision making whatsoever.
I don't think there's any other option. We're stuck with the current administration until 2029, and there's no guarantee that the democrats will even get rid of Trump's tariffs.
 
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That statement does not imply that the successor is going to release in 5 years as Sony has always committed to selling its consoles for, at least, 10 years. PS4, for example, was only discontinued in March of last year.
Discontinuation does not mean actively manufactured and sold. We know from Sony's own shipment numbers that PS4 hasn't even sold any notable few hundred thousand units in the almost three years since early 2022 when the 117 million lifetime total was announced for it. This means that they were obviously not being actively manufactured beyond that date in any meaningful quantities, because among other things, we know Sony prioritized maximizing production volumes for PS5 at the cost of continued PS4 sales. This was with one total hardware profile for them to manufacture, and with first party PS4 games scheduled through to the end of at the very least that year. They are absolutely not going to do that with two hardware profiles for them to be launching.

Eh, you have Team Asobi, Polyphony Digital, Santa Monica Studio, Insomniac Games (they have Venom internally targeting 2027 and Spider-Man 3 internally targeting 2028), and then Guerrilla Games could have something ready by 2029, as well as Sucker Punch. This is also not taking into account any external collaborations Sony could have, like Marvel Tōkon.
I can definitely agree with Asobi, Polyphony, and Santa Monica; but as I mentioned, I don't really see the other studios being ready to launch anything meaningful in the first couple of years. The collaborations are a good point, but they are also not anything that has moved significant hardware or software volumes for them so far, so I am not really counting them as meaningfully having gotten your ducks in a row from a pure financial perspective.

I don't think there's any other option. We're stuck with the current administration until 2029, and there's no guarantee that the democrats will even get rid of Trump's tariffs.
The issue is not the existence of the tariffs themselves, they are what they are, if we are stuck with them, we are stuck with them. The issue is the unpredictability, everything from the countries being tariffed, the industries, the rates, the very existence of many tariffs, changes all the time. No company wants to launch two new expensive bits of mass market hardware in this climate. Valve or Asus or these other brands selling a few hundred thousand a year? Sure, they can take that on. Sony is operating at a scale of tens of millions. The sheer losses they would take because of any unpredictable and unanticipated changes would be astronomical. It makes no sense.
 
I would consider that tactically unwise. They essentially have no competition left in that segment, and announcing a successor could slow down sales, especially with the current very high prices. In past generations we sometimes saw prices as low as €99 toward the end, which still led to impulse purchases even after successors had already been announced and now a good offer is €400 without a disc drive.

If I were Sony, I wouldn't announce anything concrete until at least six months after GTA.
 
Discontinuation does not mean actively manufactured and sold. We know from Sony's own shipment numbers that PS4 hasn't even sold any notable few hundred thousand units in the almost three years since early 2022 when the 117 million lifetime total was announced for it. This means that they were obviously not being actively manufactured beyond that date in any meaningful quantities, because among other things, we know Sony prioritized maximizing production volumes for PS5 at the cost of continued PS4 sales. This was with one total hardware profile for them to manufacture, and with first party PS4 games scheduled through to the end of at the very least that year. They are absolutely not going to do that with two hardware profiles for them to be launching.
Discontinuation definitely means actively sold, though. The amount of consoles being manufactured is not the primary factor as it's, generally, dictated by its own demand. Or at least it was, production on PS4 was extremely reduced due to major issues on global chip manufacturing at the time, something that was clearly visible by the first two quarters of FY2020 before the PS5 was released.
I can definitely agree with Asobi, Polyphony, and Santa Monica; but as I mentioned, I don't really see the other studios being ready to launch anything meaningful in the first couple of years. The collaborations are a good point, but they are also not anything that has moved significant hardware or software volumes for them so far, so I am not really counting them as meaningfully having gotten your ducks in a row from a pure financial perspective.
I don't really agree, Guerrilla has been gearing up for multi-project production for a while, and Sucker Punch shouldn't generally take a lot with the next Ghost title when not doing DLC or finding itself right within a pandemic.
PS6 having projects from Team Asobi, Polyphony Digital, Insomniac Games (even if Spider-Man 3 gets pushed back, they still have Venom in development) and Santa Monica Studio on its very first year is nothing to be concerned about, and I frankly think you're overestimating the impact of some of their internal studios' output (like Bluepoint or Bend Studio) and underestimating what external collaborations can do. Helldivers 2 and Marvel Tōkon, even when also being on PC, sold and will sell more PS5 hardware than a Days Gone 2 would have ever been able to.
 
Is it fair to believe that PS6 would be faster than PS5 Pro, while also being cheaper than PS5 Pro?

Or does PS6 need to be priced higher than PS5 Pro? And does that mean if PS6 is like $599 we'll see PS5 Pro drop to like $449? Regular PS5 at like $299?
 
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They'll either upgrade their specs and launch in like 2030, or they'll talk about what makes their device unique before Steam Machine is out, yes.
 
November 15, 2013: PS4 is released
April 16, 2019: SCE outlines its next generation plans for the first time

Sony had Mark Cerny giving an interview with WIRED regarding their plans for the successor of PlayStation 4, information at the time including initial specs, the support of physical media, backwards compatibility with both PS4 and PSVR games, and the launch year being 2020.


  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.
  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.
  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.
  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC: Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.
  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.
  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').
  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).
  • Physical Media.
  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.
  • Four years in development so far.
  • 2020.
If history is any guide, it will eventually be dubbed the PlayStation 5. For now, Cerny responds to that question—and many others—with an enigmatic smile. The "next-gen console," as he refers to it repeatedly, won't be landing in stores anytime in 2019. A number of studios have been working with it, though, and Sony recently accelerated its deployment of devkits so that game creators will have the time they need to adjust to its capabilities.

PlayStation's next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD's Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company's new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments.

Considering that this was shared 1.5 years before the PS5 launched, in around 6 months we will be in a similar situation before the PS6 is released. Worth mentioning that Sony isn't exactly consistent with these things and it could go different ways, like within a year from launch as it was the case with the PS Vita and PS4.
They did that in 2019. The PS6 is launching in fall 2027 so if Sony does that again it'll be around April 2026.
 
I'm not even thinking of how long this generation has lasted compared to priors. The current price of PS5 is enough for me to seriously doubt there's any point in discussing next gen for Sony. I can't see bringing it to market when it presumably will cost more to produce than a PS5 today. I don't think disposable income has come close to keep in up with inflation for most people. And there is risk of slowing sales of PS5 if media, influencers and people like those of us here are discussing a the next system beyond the abstract.

So I'm guessing no. I don't see next gen coming for at least 2 years. And suspect 3 is more likely. But I've been wrong more often than right.
 
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Is it fair to believe that PS6 would be faster than PS5 Pro, while also being cheaper than PS5 Pro?

Or does PS6 need to be priced higher than PS5 Pro? And does that mean if PS6 is like $599 we'll see PS5 Pro drop to like $449? Regular PS5 at like $299?
PS5 Pro will simply get discontinued.
 
Didn't they literally say they're planning on extending the PS5 lifespan due to diminishing returns on hardware currently?
 
Is it fair to believe that PS6 would be faster than PS5 Pro, while also being cheaper than PS5 Pro?

Or does PS6 need to be priced higher than PS5 Pro? And does that mean if PS6 is like $599 we'll see PS5 Pro drop to like $449? Regular PS5 at like $299?
It will be much faster from ps5pr0 but even if we take into consideration ps5pr0 launch(nov 2024) and substantial inflation from that time to holidays 2027 or holidays 2028 its not feasible, lets not forget nasty increase in ram/vram prices due huge ai demand that will be happening for a while at least and much newer(and much more expensive obviously, new tech isnt cheap, especially on very high demand 3nm manufacturing process all big tech players are fighting for) both gpu and cpu tech in ps6.
I would say lowest we can expect is 799$ discless(so around 1k usd total) but who really knows, if xbox pc is for example 1500$ and gabecube being as weak as it is(visibly below base ps5) is priced above 600$ then sony will not feel any preasure at all and could price ps6 at 999$ discless even.
 
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If GTA6 had released as first scheduled maybe PS6 would be by Q4-2026.

Now? Yeah 2027 or even later makes more sense with RAM prices.
 
I'm not even thinking of how long this generation has lasted compared to priors. The current price of PS5 is enough for me to seriously doubt there's any point in discussing next gen for Sony. I can't see bringing it to market when it presumably will cost more to produce than a PS5 today. I don't think disposable income has come close to keep in up with inflation for most people. And there is risk of slowing sales of PS5 if media, influencers and people like those of us here are discussing a the next system beyond the abstract.

So I'm guessing no. I don't see next gen coming for at least 2 years. And suspect 3 is more likely. But I've been wrong more often than right.

You almost have to think of the PS6 as a replacement for the Pro.
 
No -- I think we're probably in for a longer console 'generation' with Sony this time around. MS is clearly gonna go full throttle as soon as possible, but I don't see the benefit for Sony to follow suit. What gains are they going to put into a new device? At least with Xbox it'll be a hybrid PC/Console thing.
 
No -- I think we're probably in for a longer console 'generation' with Sony this time around. MS is clearly gonna go full throttle as soon as possible, but I don't see the benefit for Sony to follow suit. What gains are they going to put into a new device? At least with Xbox it'll be a hybrid PC/Console thing.

CPU performance so GTA 6 will run at 60 fps
 
That statement does not imply that the successor is going to release in 5 years as Sony has always committed to selling its consoles for, at least, 10 years. PS4, for example, was only discontinued in March of last year.

Oh, I see. I was thinking more along the lines of it being a "signal," a message, not that we are literally at the halfway point and it would be 5 more years. I mean, saying "Look, we're only halfway through this generation" is not the kind of thing you say when you're about to unveil a new console. It's signaling that a PS6 announcement is still a long way off.

Which is fine with me.
 
Hard to tell, I mean technically the first early look into PS6 technology was already released last year:



We might have further videos like this but I don't expect anything formal before next year.
 
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