Chaostar
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Lol this has to be new thread worthy
Can somebody get the two pictures together for a comparison please?
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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Lol this has to be new thread worthy
Can somebody get the two pictures together for a comparison please?
velociraptor
Junior Member
Does that mean the PS4 would be a better console if it had the CELL processor? I know many claim it's an absolute headache to program for but just curious.
Lol this has to be new thread worthy
Can somebody get the two pictures together for a comparison please?
I'd be interested in seeing this.
It certainly is. Wii U's GPU is the most weakest between the three next gen consoles.
Also, if the PS3 had a more better CPU that was much more easier to develop for, then most PS3's versions of multiplats would've far surpassed 360's versions of multiplats.
For the more general uses of the PS4's CPU, Jaguar is a better choice than Cell.
flops arent so important for CPU's and in this context the cpu will be used for game logic more than anything which is more dependant on IPC rate (instructions per clock) than its floating operation performance and task's that do require good flop performance can be offloaded to the GPU.
the cell is an interesting hybrid as it was good for operations that required good flop throughput, its almost like a prototype to what we have today with GPGPU excpt it was part of the CPU instead. but the concept was the same as it is today, you set up lots of small jobs for a task you want completed send them off to the SPE's (or in the ps4's case the gpu) to be processed and then the results returned.
Lol this has to be new thread worthy
Can somebody get the two pictures together for a comparison please?
Here's something I quickly threw together. The original image is a .jpg and the Xbox image is a .png and cropped a bit, which makes comparing for color correction and whatnot a bit trickier, but I really wouldn't expect it to make a noticeable difference.
Personally I'm pretty certain it's the same image but with color correction added and the armor clipping/texture bug shopped out. I don't see how I could be wrong.
Edit: Ya the Xbox.com image definitely has color correction added to give it a cinematic effect. I saved the .png as a .jpg of similar size to the original and there's no noticeable difference in the colors at all.
2dshmuplover
Banned
Me too, but it won't come to that. I sit quite a few feet away from my TV so a little bit of upscaling won't hurt, I've lived with it for this meany years and it's fine.
Chaostar
Member
Here's something I quickly threw together. The original image is a .jpg and the Xbox image is a .png and cropped a bit, which makes a directly comparing for color correction and whatnot a bit harder.
Personally I'm pretty certain it's the same image but shopped. I could be wrong, but I don't see how.
Thanks, looking at it now I'm torn over whether or not it's the exact same image but I do love a good scandal
The bit of armour in the top-right highlighted area particularly looks photoshopped
badly
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Quadraphonic
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Here's something I quickly threw together. The original image is a .jpg and the Xbox image is a .png and cropped a bit, which makes a directly comparing for color correction and whatnot a bit harder.
Personally I'm pretty certain it's the same image but with color correction and the clipping shopped out. I could be wrong, but I don't see how.
If it's a cutscene, they could have re-ran it with the same random-seed with the corrected models.
But let's look at it from an effort point of view. You see a glitch in your rendering. Do you:
A) Fix the glitch (Which requires programmers and artists working together), record the cutscene again and take the snapshot in the EXACT same frame? (All the hairs line up, etc.)
B) Photoshop
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Lol this has to be new thread worthy
I agree, though I'm sure it'll get its fair share of sarcastic "oh noes! You mean they bullshitted a bullshot?" comments.
NO!
That 1.8TF number is a something Sony pulled out it's arse after MS came up with it's own bullshit 1TF number for the 360!
The reason that it is 1.8TF is because Sony already told people the floating point power of Cell (about 200GFLOPS).
Here's something I quickly threw together. The original image is a .jpg and the Xbox image is a .png and cropped a bit, which makes a directly comparing for color correction and whatnot a bit harder.
Personally I'm pretty certain it's the same image but with color correction and the clipping shopped out. I could be wrong, but I don't see how.
Lol.
Stoffinator
Member
There will be trade offs. The consoles won't be pushing out high end PC graphics any time soon.
Not sure what PS4 or One have to do with PC graphics?
I don't think so. If you look in the background everything from the clouds, the smoke, and those faint ember particles and lighting effects are all in the same exact position (the image was just cropped a bit). I don't imagine that would happen again in an in-game cutscene and don't see why they'd bother capturing that same exact frame again in the first place. I can't find any in-game difference at all other than the lack of armor clipping/texture issues in the xbox.com image and the better colors.
Here's a shot of the shoulder in the new image blown up where the original has some strange texture bug. It just looks like a bad photoshop job tbh. There's a part of the texture in the original image in the red circle that's been cut off in this shot entirely (the crease rising diagonally from below is supposed to rise further up the plate rather than cut off right there). Even when it's not blown up you can see it's not really consistent with the rest of the shoulder.
BleachAndPepsi
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I'd make it but I'm just a junior. A stupid, pathetic, smelly junior with a red butt.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
Better graphics through photoshop
The greedy little boy in me has always unrealistically hoped that the Secondary Processor is an optimised Cell chip. ;-) Back before the February reveal this idea was not unrealistically thrown around as a(n unlikely) possibility. I doubt it, but ohhhh the meltdowns.
Xbox One =
PS4 = Deeper Shade of Soul?
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
It's Microsoft. They probably used Windows Paint.
Which would explain how extra shitty it looks.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Couldn't MS just add in a Photoshop chip and null all advantage?
Liabe Brave
Member
It doesn't really matter if it's the exact same frame. The original shot is only relevant because it shows there was clipping there before, which made me look at the press shot. Same frame or not, the shot from Xbox Wire is unquestionably touched up. Here's a closeup:
I wouldn't worry about it too much. There's still time before launch, and any glitches that remain by then will be plenty visible in reviews and so forth. (The bad normal-mapping on the armor is far more disappointing, I think.)
I'm less interested in what this says about Ryse or Microsoft, and more interested in the implications for press shots in general. Sure, we all know bullshots have extra resolution and AA, but is this sort of by-hand touchup also common? If the worker was skilled, it could be invisible. If it's truly extensive that wouldn't be surprising, but it would be a little distasteful to me.
It doesn't really matter if it's the exact same frame. The original shot is only relevant because it shows there was clipping there before, which made me look at the press shot. Same frame or not, the shot from Xbox Wire is unquestionably touched up. Here's a closeup:
I wouldn't worry about it too much. There's still time before launch, and any glitches that remain by then will be plenty visible in reviews and so forth. (The bad normal-mapping on the armor is far more disappointing, I think.)
I'm less interested in what this says about Ryse or Microsoft, and more interested in the implications for press shots in general. Sure, we all know bullshots have extra resolution and AA, but is this sort of by-hand touchup also common? If the worker was skilled, it could be invisible. If it's truly extensive that wouldn't be surprising, but it would be a little distasteful to me.
More common than you think. Between this and e3/reveals being full of high end PC builds, this generation won't be different from the previous couple in regards to touched up content.
helvetica bold
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Dan Greenawalt creative director of Forza 5 said Xbox One is 8 times more powerful that the 360.
Mark Cerny said the PS4 is 10 times more powerful of the PS3.
I know PS4 is more powerful but we will see amazing games from both systems.
Mark Cerny said the PS4 is 10 times more powerful of the PS3.
I know PS4 is more powerful but we will see amazing games from both systems.
Codeblew
Member
Kotaku is writing the article as we speak.
Thanks, looking at it now I'm torn over whether or not it's the exact same image but I do love a good scandal
The bit of armour in the top-right highlighted area particularly looks photoshopped.badly
To call that a "Scandal" is nothing short of a joke, let alone a "Good Scandal".
dragonelite
Member
Holyshit this thread keeps on giving.
Not like you can adjust the armor placement a couple of mm and rerun the cutscene.
Not like you can adjust the armor placement a couple of mm and rerun the cutscene.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
oh snap is this from a DF face off article??
Same image. Note how in the above image the armor is 3 dimensional (has thickness) but in the bottom pic the leather strap feeds directly IN the Y axis of the armor instead of underneath it? Whoopsie!Thanks, looking at it now I'm torn over whether or not it's the exact same image but I do love a good scandal
The bit of armour in the top-right highlighted area particularly looks photoshopped.badly
Edit: FML I'm slow to post from my phone.
gee if only we've seen this game and this particular scene in motion...Here's something I quickly threw together. The original image is a .jpg and the Xbox image is a .png and cropped a bit, which makes comparing for color correction and whatnot a bit trickier, but I really wouldn't expect it to make a noticeable difference.
Personally I'm pretty certain it's the same image but with color correction added and the armor clipping/texture bug shopped out. I don't see how I could be wrong.
Edit: Ya the Xbox.com image definitely has color correction added to give it a cinematic effect. I saved the .png as a .jpg of similar size to the original and there's no noticeable difference in the colors at all.
It's sad that you took the time to research this.
that image looks like was edited on paint instead of Photoshop, horribleIt doesn't really matter if it's the exact same frame. The original shot is only relevant because it shows there was clipping there before, which made me look at the press shot. Same frame or not, the shot from Xbox Wire is unquestionably touched up. Here's a closeup:
I wouldn't worry about it too much. There's still time before launch, and any glitches that remain by then will be plenty visible in reviews and so forth. (The bad normal-mapping on the armor is far more disappointing, I think.)
I'm less interested in what this says about Ryse or Microsoft, and more interested in the implications for press shots in general. Sure, we all know bullshots have extra resolution and AA, but is this sort of by-hand touchup also common? If the worker was skilled, it could be invisible. If it's truly extensive that wouldn't be surprising, but it would be a little distasteful to me.
Codeblew
Member
What is sad is that you worry about what people choose to do with their time. I am sure there are people out there that thinks it is sad that you play video games.
Chaostar
Member
Ok that was an overstatement, forgive my flair for the dramatic.
Still, as far as I can remember this is the first time a company has been caught red handed directly editing a screenshot. So it's at least noteworthy. If only to highlight what a poor job they did.
I think it's interesting being able to see how screenshots are tampered with and whatnot. It's rare that we get to see the original image to compare with the touched image.
Here's one more comparison just to show how that scene came along in the 50 Mb/s Behind the Scenes vidoc. They got rid of the straps but the texture bug and armor clipping (it's more obvious in motion) is still there.
Just snap photoshop to the corner and have it shop every frame!
velociraptor
Junior Member
Yes it did. But I'm not sure if the CPU in these consoles is anywhere near as purposeful as the SPEs. I reckon all the 'visuals' will be handled by the GPU only in both consoles.
A lot of what Cell did visually was because it was a very GPU-like chip. The vast majority of visual grunt work will be done on the GPUs this gen.
Pseudo judo
Member
Ignored this thread mostly because I thought I could guess how stupid it could become. Then, out of curiosity, I poke my head in and find dudes blowing up a single frame of a pick to prove it was Photoshoped to hide clipping on an Xbone game. I don't know if it was or wasn't, if I had to guess I'd say it was, either way it doesn't make a lick of difference about anything at all. That being said, I know someone believes there's some scandal or winning going on here so by all means continue.
These. Neither the Xbox 360 or the Xbox One has anything like the PS3 has to pull off more better graphics.
The eSRAM that the Xbox One has won't be the same like the Cell Processor/SPE's at all.
foolishoptimist
Member
The first hand reports from the Toronto FanExpo in late August noted terrible jaggies in KI. They may not have been calling the res right there, but people were noticing it.
It was about a week after this show that it was confirmed as 720p
SirButterstick
Banned
Jesus Christ. As someone who has worked at a major game studio, if you don't think this 'photoshopping' issue you guys are hung up on is happening at every studio, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Liabe Brave
Member
That's interesting. I know (as most gamers do) that screenshots are often higher-res than the game, and with better AA. But I don't recall ever hearing about actual localized touch-up of rendering flaws. If this is going on at every studio, could you point out some other screenshots that show it?