michaelius
Banned
Someone paid someone else money to look attractive?
OH NO!
I often question myself how can we live in this disgusting sexist world ?
And then answear always is "with pleasure"
Someone paid someone else money to look attractive?
OH NO!
I don't understand how people could possibly be okay with this just because, "Oh well, that always happens, that's just how it is, why fight it?" Ask yourself if that logic makes ANY sense whatsoever.
I'll go with this too.If anything it's just weird and pretty sleazy.
At the Curse/Planetside 2 party last year at PAX East they had 2 pole dancers next to the DJ.It was the same in the VIP area at PAX Prime. It was pretty weird.
what?
it's a private party by a company. It's people hiring women who do this thing for a living, and paying them, for what they do and know how to do
they are working, they are getting paid and the people at the party are getting the other end of the service, as it happens in any other context
why is it suddenly just wrong in videogames?
There is nothing wrong with women, or men for that matter, dancing at an event. Your actual worry seems to be that the current gaming industry pushes away and alienates women, which is an actual problem and a valid topic of discussion. It's not "beyond fucked up", however.I don't understand how people could possibly be okay with this just because, "Oh well, that always happens, that's just how it is, why fight it?" Ask yourself if that logic makes ANY sense whatsoever.
I hate Notch, but damn if this trend of making women so sacred is not becoming annoying.
Wait what? How is this problematic?
Did they hire them to sex up the guests or to simply entertain them with smalltalk, dance and to break the ice? If the latter, wouldn't hiring a band also be morally problematic?
That's outrageous. I normally never pay more than 100$.
I don't understand how people could possibly be okay with this just because, "Oh well, that always happens, that's just how it is, why fight it?" Ask yourself if that logic makes ANY sense whatsoever.
I don't think the whining is out of white knighting for the women being paid to be there. I'm sure they had a good time and love that work.
I think it's more about industry women attending these parties, and how it feels for them when as a minority, they see other women hired in as decorative baubles to provide eye candy for the men.
I think people are a bit more sensitive about this stuff now given the debates going on about it.
I don't really understand what exactly wrong is with that. It's a norm at corporate (Big Banks) after hour parties.
I don't think it's just about videogames. But obviously videogames people are having this debate in a big way at the moment.
There are other male dominated professions where stuff like this happens too. But none of them strike as being particularly open or welcoming toward women, and though it may just be one small thing, the party culture in an industry can be telling and can fuel that sense of whether women are viewed as inside or outside the culture of the industry.
Explain what's wrong with it. Why do you want to deny the chance for these women to make money? Are you also against the notion of male strippers?
the whole thing was a shit show. i had a rsvp invite. showed up around 9:30 and they said they were only letting in VIP guests because they are at fire code capacity. I walk down to the other side of the venue and there are 100 people in line at the door for "general admission" (isn't this an industry event?), and then look across the street there are another 300 in line. Just looking at the line you could tell that 99% of the people had no freaking clue what GDC was, just that skrillex was playing.
between this and the problems at the pax prime party, notch really needs to figure out his whole party situation. perhaps throw a party for, you know game developers at GDC or pax attendees at pax. not local raver kids who want a free show and assault people.
Explain what's wrong with it. Why do you want to deny the chance for these women to make money? Are you also against the notion of male strippers?
Only if it was an all female band!
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
I think it would probably make some other industry women at the party feel a bit uncomfortable, with the suggestion that women are there just to look pretty and make the men feel good.
This is where this whole debate stems from - there is a big debate going on at the moment about women in the industry and whether the industry is welcoming towards women or not, takes them seriously or not.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
the whole thing was a shit show. i had a rsvp invite. showed up around 9:30 and they said they were only letting in VIP guests because they are at fire code capacity. I walk down to the other side of the venue and there are 100 people in line at the door for "general admission" (isn't this an industry event?), and then look across the street there are another 300 in line. Just looking at the line you could tell that 99% of the people had no freaking clue what GDC was, just that skrillex was playing.
between this and the problems at the pax prime party, notch really needs to figure out his whole party situation. perhaps throw a party for, you know game developers at GDC or pax attendees at pax. not local raver kids who want a free show and assault people.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
I don't think it's just about videogames. But obviously videogames people are having this debate in a big way at the moment.
There are other male dominated professions where stuff like this happens too. But none of them strike as being particularly open or welcoming toward women, and though it may just be one small thing, the party culture in an industry can be telling and can fuel that sense of whether women are viewed as inside or outside the culture of the industry.
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid
Solution: next time also hire a male stripper or two so the female developers can have fun, too.I don't think the whining is out of white knighting for the women being paid to be there. I'm sure they had a good time and love that work.
I think it's more about industry women attending these parties, and how it feels for them when as a minority, they see other women hired in as decorative baubles to provide eye candy for the men.
I think people are a bit more sensitive about this stuff now given the debates going on about it.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
Being an escort is a legitimate job. Why would any one find it wrong to pay them for doing it?
This is just ridiculous
Well they say it ain't over until.. Well you know.The sky is falling. Adele said so.
I think it's incredibly stupid to try to link something like this to any sort of "WOMEN ARE OBJECTS PROTECT LARA CROFT" argument that's going on at the moment
it's a bunch of peope in a company having a party and hiring some strippers/what have you. They hold no responsability for any of that crap and they are more than entitled to have their fun this way considering the women are willing. It's an agreement from both parties, there's nothing "shady" or anything like that.
Yes i'm sure that there were 7 girls among 210 people on electronics faculty i were in my university because other girls passionate about electronics were being scared of party culture in the industry.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.