Nor is it for boxing, mma, pitching in baseball, can probably name others but there's no point.
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Former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez had severe C.T.E.
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Nor is it for boxing, mma, pitching in baseball, can probably name others but there's no point.
There is?
Iirc there was a study that found that heading isn't really the action causing most of the brain trauma, but rather everything else (butting heads, elbows, falls, etc)
Yeah, I wish I had stuck with soccer as a kid and not played football for 10+ years...
It's funny how so many talk about making sure their kids don't play football. My stepdad was the middle school football coach so me and my stepbrother didn't really have a choice. I won't treat my kid(s) that way.
It's funny how so many talk about making sure their kids don't play football. My stepdad was the middle school football coach so me and my stepbrother didn't really have a choice. I won't treat my kid(s) that way.
Yeah in my othrr post. There was a 29yr old footballer who died who was confirmed to have CTE.
Good luck with that lawsuit - this is a pure PR stunt considering her damages are loss of consortium and he had just been sentenced to life in prison. You aren't going to be able to show a but for cause her and even if you could, there would be no damages since he was sentenced to life in prison. Also, murdering people tends to cut off your damages.
My son is 6, and plays flag football, the leagues now run through 12th grade, more kids seem to be playing Flag for fun rather than trying to make 'varsity'. We do have two kids on the team who play tackle already, in FIRST grade. I think they are nuts or dumb (the parents, not the kids).
I tell my kids, be good at math, learn to code, and just go lift weights at the gym, you don't have to play any sports if you don't want to (they both play a couple they like now - flag and baseball for my 6 yr old son, and softball and basketball for my 8 yr old daughter).
They didn't give a shit when kids were getting raped in the name of football, what makes you think they care about the long term well being of the players? The fans only care about you until you get into your late 20s, start to lose a step, and then start debating who's gonna replace you in the next draft.
Renegade Frost
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It definitely makes it harder to control your behavior lol
I mean there are six year olds who go insane due to brain trauma and go back to normal when its fixed.
Im From CT know some people who knew him and his family. It definitely wasnt always him. Many say he changed after his father died which maybe was traumatic coupled with all the hits at the time who knows what the CTE does to people emotionally. But it makes sense of where he had feelings of people out to get him etc as to why he accidentally shot that guy in his eye(what Ive heard he did it on purpose) etc. but yeah. I have a feeling it did a number on him.
andthebeatgoeson
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I hear participation has fallen off a cliff at younger ages. They used to be able to fill multiple teams and are struggling to get one team together, was a rumour I've heard. Anyone have anecdotal evidence?
There is this:http://www.vocativ.com/298019/youth-football-participation-is-plummeting/
But college and high school football are equally at fault and i think people will start to move away. My oldest is 13, had a coach begging him to play and he knows we ain't having it.
There is this:http://www.vocativ.com/298019/youth-football-participation-is-plummeting/
But college and high school football are equally at fault and i think people will start to move away. My oldest is 13, had a coach begging him to play and he knows we ain't having it.
It's a symptom of the popularity. Of course, the biggest, most popular sport will take the hits. But it's an indictment of our journalism community, the science community and funding for both why this isn't being attacked from all angles. You need money for studies and the tobacco industry and the gun lobby have set the precedents on discouraging scientific research for decades. I'll remind you that the US has the most gun deaths in the world but you cannot get an NIH research grant to perform research on gun violence in this country. It makes no sense.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Maybe if we can somehow convince fans that CTE disrespects the flag...
Renegade Frost
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Do people really believe that OJ did it and he wasnt covering for his family?
Stop projecting mr psychopath
^^^^^^^^
But the main culprit of CTE is not believed to be concussions, but the accumulation of sub-concussive hits. Other sports will have this as well, but probably not to the extent of football. But I agree that more research should be pursued in these other sports, which does seem to be happening.
Ive said that the only way they get rid of it is removing some of the physicality. But it sounds radical when we are running into eachother like Neanderthals for sport. Football can still be fun without any tackle at all or a much lighter version of it(IE. taking away gang tackles blowing the whistle early instead of guys cracking to get a single extra yard etc)
But either football will adapt or die. I dont want my kids playing it. Rather they play baseball or basketball etc.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Sub-concussive hits is the main culprit of CTE. That's why the main focus in the NFL.
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He has it. Can't say CTE explains it all. OJ growing up probably payed a huge part too.
Jack Scofield
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Can they test for CTE in living players by using MRIs or ultrasounds?
Not that wikapedia and is that great source and a site called BIRI , but it says there that it is concussions are the main culprit. Even so all these contact sports include many sub-concussive hits to the head.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Not as of now, no.
Ninja Scooter
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Pitching is a weak comparison. Damaging your arm/elbow isn't the same kind of long term quality of life concern as CTE. Boxing and man, sure, but when you have youth and pee wee boxing/mma, where kids are bashing each other's skills in, or public funded high school boxing/mma, where again, teens are concussing each other on a regular basis, your comparison might be valid, and I'm sure the outcry would be equal.
No. If I recall correctly, the type of scary tissue caused doesn't show up on MRI's or ultrasounds, which is why it's not diagnosed until an autopsy is performed.
I played linebacker and running back in high school. Lots and lots of hits. I started getting migraines in my senior year, but stupidly never equated the two.
I still get lots of migraines. It's not like there's anything I can do about it now, but I will always wonder if playing football played into that. I had an opportunity to play college ball. I'm glad now that I passed, because it wouldn't have lead anywhere beyond that.
I still get lots of migraines. It's not like there's anything I can do about it now, but I will always wonder if playing football played into that. I had an opportunity to play college ball. I'm glad now that I passed, because it wouldn't have lead anywhere beyond that.
ElectricBlanketFire
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None of them come close to football as far as sub-concussive hits.
shaowebb
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Glad this is getting pushed and made aware of. Back in the day (and still in many places) they just referred to it as "getting your bell rung" when you got nailed hard and were fucked up for a bit from a head impact. A lot of undocumented concussions and forms of head trauma played off in one stupid phrase by coaching staffs for generations.
So you are saying research is not needed, weird.
Fenderputty
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I think we're going to start seeing a larger divide between more affluent and more impoverished classes. Sports is a way out of poverty for many athletes and their families.
TheLetdown
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Skateboarding and BMX.
Dave Mirra went by suicide and the story is sad as all hell to hear from his wife about how he would be physically present but thousands of miles away, for a while, leading up to it.
MugiwaraCole
Member
Not waving away anything he did as excusable.
But the guy never stood a chance.
Anyone playing now is doing so of their own free will with all relevant knowledge of CTE.
I think the sport needs rethinking, but no one still playing it now is ignorant to this stuff anymore. If they want to play it, there's no reason people shouldn't watch if they can stomach it.
MugiwaraCole
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Oops, dp
YES! Good idea Sweeney Tom. That would be a great reward for his wife who helped him try to cover up the murder of another human being.
Screw that dead guy and his family though. Let's dump heaps of money on a murder accomplice.
Poor Aaron and his family.
Fenderputty
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Let's be real. Unless you're getting a massive scholarships to a D1 school or you're going pro, there's not much reason to even play sports beyond the fun of it, or the leadership / teamwork shills learned. Which only makes the calculus for football harder to justify. Why let my kid get his head smashed for (4) years of high school if that's all he's ever going to do. There's other ways to learn teamwork and leadership skills.
I quit NAIA basketball because of this. My time was better spent making small amounts of money working while going to school full time.
IISANDERII
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There is no evidence of when his CTE began.
Alligatorjandro
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Yeah that seems like the point when he started to do bad things.
UnemployedVillain
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This part was especially horrifying and tragic. Like they were aware something was wrong with their heads, but couldn't do anything about it
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Yeah you can. Not to reverse your injuries but the biggest force in football wants to, still, cover-up the facts. You make sure you let everyone know. So, either your kids, or your nieces and nephews or who ever, knows that football is a gamble. The NFL is locked in it's momentum, unable to move.
We need more research and until the ratings plummet because people give up their football worship, i predict the NFL will still do half measures. The best thing for the NFL to do is to lead and sponsor good research so they can understand the problem and try and change. Instead of waiting for the ground swell of people to rise up.
The Albatross
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This was my first thought as well.
Hernandez was involved in criminal activity going back to his tenure at Florida. He was involved in a shooting in 2006 or 2007, and was involved in felony battery charges that were eventually dropped in 2008.
Of course, we can't truly pinpoint when somebody would have developed CTE... As a child playing pop warner football or other sports, in high school while participating in sports, in college at Florida, etc.
But we also know now that Hernandez was a person capable of murder well before he ended up finally getting one (or more) pinned on him.
The Hernandez family had to push for his brain to be studied in the first place.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-aaron-hernandez-brain-20170420-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-aaron-hernandez-brain-20170420-story.html
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