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Forza 5: The monetization is even worse than you think.
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They're probably too busy cackling maniacally.
JPeeples83
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NO STOREFRONT OR AUCTION HOUSE!? WHAT!? Dammit - those were tremendous features for the past few games and allowed me to have some sweet designs without needing to actually become good at art design.
Community Forum
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There has got to be some re-balancing or post-launch support for this, right?
But Adam Sessler said it was perfect
Sad to see this happen to Forza, I was really tempted to buy an Xbone for this to scratch my racing itch but I guess I'll just get Rivals instead.
Of all the franchises to do it to. This sim genre is about as far away from the demo that I personally believe this kind of thing appeals to and I hope GT takes note. I will never be buying this.
So I got the Day One edition, and redeemed my code, but I can't find the cars. Where are they supposed to be?
PS: Sorry in advance to those that encounter my Drivatar.
Do you have to pay to unlock them (like DLC cars)?
That alone proves the greed behind the design. They don't even allow people to share and buy from each other anymore. Hell, even Horizon has that.
FWIW, the icon for the Marketplace is there, it says it's "coming soon".
guitarhero
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If you don't get cars by leveling, and you don't get cars by winning championship, are they that blatantly assholes?
For fucks' sake, Gran Turismo ONE on the PSX gave you cars for achieving something, and that was back in 1998!
For fucks' sake, Gran Turismo ONE on the PSX gave you cars for achieving something, and that was back in 1998!
Muku
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Wow. Talking about milking gamers for all their worth. No one should pay that amount, or be okay with paying that kind of money, for DLC. Ever. That kind of money for one car? I knew MS wanted to milk folks wallet, but that's taking it to a new level. I don't care what kind of reasoning they give, it ain't worth it.
If this game and this kind of business model succeed, I can't imagine how bad the next-gen experience would be.
This is also addressed earlier in the video I just linked to. This thread has spun not just out of control but off a freaking cliff.
It's like everyone at MS just wanted to put Riot's F2P model in all of their full priced games. Credits and Tokens might as well be IP and RP.
Sad to see a great series like Forza get shit on by this nonsense. I loved the storefront and auction house because I could by cars for cheaper, pick up specific tuning setups for specific cars/tracks and races. Looks like they took out a lot of the stuff that made Forza unique and awesome and spent that time adding this bullshit.
Sad to see a great series like Forza get shit on by this nonsense. I loved the storefront and auction house because I could by cars for cheaper, pick up specific tuning setups for specific cars/tracks and races. Looks like they took out a lot of the stuff that made Forza unique and awesome and spent that time adding this bullshit.
Ryan242004
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Either Helios or Mech finally responded on FM.net forums and said to keep playing the game but they are listening... That was about it.
What really disappoints me is Turn 10's lack of ownership of the issue. Not to mention the Mod squad over there...
lol. yeah, no storefront or auction house. now, you dont have to buy any design thats been made. they are all free. however, the designer gets credits for every time someone uses his design in a race. this is not an example of them ruining the game, the economy, or ripping people off through new monetization schemes.
staticneuron
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I see. So disagreeing about the gravity of this means one side must be shills or white knighting?
I pointed out other games that have microtransactions for shortcuts and it really doesn't break those games as well. If you find the game to be boring, it isn't the fault of the microtransactions. The mere option existing doesn't destroy the game. If this sounds idiotic to you, don't use it. If you find the game seems be grindy or unappealing outside of the microtransactions, let the devs know ( and fellow gamers) and do not purchase the next installation.
It really is that simple.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
HOLY F***!
This is just obscene! Seriously, just WTF!?
This is just obscene! Seriously, just WTF!?
OldAsUrSock
Banned
There needs to be a law that states something like, "A game that is not free and claims the use of microtransactions cannot price the transactions more than 6% of the first month cost of the game. Subscription based games cannot claim microtransactions of more than 15% of their monthly sub cost. " This means that a game that averages $60 cost in the first month cannot price the "Microtransactions" over $3.60 for the transaction or they cannot call it a microtransaction. While a subscription based game that costs $15 a month cannot call the purchase a microtransaction over $2.25. Free games would not be subject to this because that is how they make money. Calling things microtransactions and then having the cost be nothing close to micro is misleading the customer.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Call your congressman.
Partial Gamification
Banned
They would be presured to sell tires and fenders instead of whole cars.
gutterboy44
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Really glad this model was rewarded with nearly unanimous praise from the press. Who's interest do they represent again?
I've said it in the sim threads, this shit bums me out, cause at the end of he day I want people to enjoy the racing sim genre, even though I never buy Forza games and only ever play them at friends. But even though we don't know the extent, it will be in GT6 too and I will be skipping my first ever GT game, which is my all time fav franchise. Fuck this toxic mobile game pricing plague. Mobile isn't going to kill the console with competition, it is going to kill the consoles with their nickel and dining gameplay structure.
I've said it in the sim threads, this shit bums me out, cause at the end of he day I want people to enjoy the racing sim genre, even though I never buy Forza games and only ever play them at friends. But even though we don't know the extent, it will be in GT6 too and I will be skipping my first ever GT game, which is my all time fav franchise. Fuck this toxic mobile game pricing plague. Mobile isn't going to kill the console with competition, it is going to kill the consoles with their nickel and dining gameplay structure.
weevles
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My son and I tried the demo @ the MS store tonight. It was fun and felt like the other Forza games from a purely driving perspective. If I had an Xbox One, I would say that, unfortunately, it is a must have title (unless you really don't like driving/racing games). Sad that the game relies so much on microtransactions. I wouldn't buy this title at full price.
It's just par for the course for all MS first party games now. Everything is littered with "Premium" gameplay models, it's right there in your face in every menu.
weekend_warrior
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Who cares if other games did? The fact that people gave it a pass then is the reason we're getting it now. These games cost $60, if someone wants the gold at the end of rainbow then they should either play through the game, or if the devs want to give the casual fans a break they should enable cheat codes or allow all cars to be used in an arcade SP/MP setting, they shouldn't FUCKING CHARGE PEOPLE to play the content on the disk they already bought and they shouldn't fucking charge people EGREGIOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
It makes me sad.
I get the premium angle, but that only applies to free games. Pay to Play has turned into Pay to Play to Pay Again!
Nightstick11
Banned
I have watched in horror since gamers let Microsoft get away with all sorts of shit: charging for online, ads, enabling on-disc DLC, enabling gratuitous DLC, enabling season-passes, locking apps behind paywall, etc. Why is anyone so horrified and shocked at them introducing F2P elements now? We could see it coming from years away.
The Ps4 Looks Great
Banned
I bet project cars won't have this......
I really don't like where this is going honestly. Seems foul, but that's the benefit of being a consumer, I can just avoid that garbage. I got so many hours on Horizon, this is pretty lame
The feel of next gen D:
I really don't like where this is going honestly. Seems foul, but that's the benefit of being a consumer, I can just avoid that garbage. I got so many hours on Horizon, this is pretty lame
I'm not happy with paid car packs so early, but the rest is easy to ignore. I've ran 5 or 6 races and messed around in other modes..including designing decals. My avatar has made me good money too.
I topped over 100k pretty quickly and bought a new car. I've also done a number of upgrades. I have not and will not buy tokens. Thankfully it doesn't force you to.
I topped over 100k pretty quickly and bought a new car. I've also done a number of upgrades. I have not and will not buy tokens. Thankfully it doesn't force you to.
simplythebest
Banned
As someone whose bought and played every Forza game on the 360, It's a goddamn shame what has this once great franchise. Not a chance in hell, I'll ever be buying 5 whenever the X1 drops in price.
The saddest part is the group who "just ignores it", because until this microtransaction policy has a negative impact on box copy sales there is zero reason for Microsoft and Turn 10 not to put this shit in there and to keep getting worse and worse with them. These microtransactions earn Turn 10 money, and the more they can "optimize" them without cutting into their box copy sales the better. Shit, there is probably an amount of box copies that they're willing to sacrifice to allow for whales to exist in their game just like how Microsoft had a number of offline users they were willing to lose with their online DRM (which didn't pan out).
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Any news on polygonal crowd DLC?
Pretty much. Fucking devs won't get my money.
GoofsterStud
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Not sure if this has been posted:
"What happens when free-to-play games aren't free?"
Source: eurogamer.net
"What happens when free-to-play games aren't free?"
Source: eurogamer.net
Storm Chamber
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But Adam Sessler said it was perfect
It's kind of crazy how a once respected gaming figure is now proven to be no better than the rest.
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