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Forza Motorsport 8 details leak - 120 FPS, rally racing, cinematic storyline and more
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
If there is a Razor Callahan cameo I will cry.
JackNightblade
Member
hopefully a 4k/60 and a 1080p/120 options. no way its 4k/120 ray tracing without it looking current gen
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Deleted member 471617
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All of Microsoft's internal studios are developing games for Xbox Series X and will then downscale the Xbox One versions accordingly.
Paracelsus
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The last time I cared for a story in a racing game it was Ridge Racer Type 4 on PS1.
Insane Metal
Member
If this is going the NFS direction... ffs... I don't really believe this. T10 wouldn't do this I think.
this is motorsport, if forza is gonna be like nfs, then horizon is the one
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So... Neogaf
For a crossgen racing game adjusting rendering resolution and lighting model saves time as they only need to make one set of assets (cars and tracks).
Hahahaha this is perfect. Brav
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Night.Ninja
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Why not
skneogaf
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It has been strange how the name motorsport only applies to tarmac.
Using some of the horizon gravel should allow a couple of good tracks to be used in 8 in a race format.
I've always been surprised at turn 10 can get 1080p 60fps on the base xbox one so 4k 120fps will probably be achieved on the series x which will be amazing as I can achieve this with 7 on a 9700k 2080ti combo with using 2xmsaa instead of 8xmsaa ultra everything.
Using some of the horizon gravel should allow a couple of good tracks to be used in 8 in a race format.
I've always been surprised at turn 10 can get 1080p 60fps on the base xbox one so 4k 120fps will probably be achieved on the series x which will be amazing as I can achieve this with 7 on a 9700k 2080ti combo with using 2xmsaa instead of 8xmsaa ultra everything.
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thelastword
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Personally, the uptick from Forza 5-6-7 was very minimal, some would even say Forza 4 had better ATD. What I'm saying is that if Forza 8 still has to run properly at 1080 60fps on an XBONES, it wont be that graphically intensive, so 4k 120fps on Series X is definitely possible.....I very much doubt Forza 8 will be pulling an extremely high level of detail, raytraced lighting, reflections shadows etc and run that at 4k 120fps on Series X.....If it did, that would mean that the XBONES version would look seriously compromised in comparison and I'm not sure MS wants such a big differentiator there. I think they have been smart enough to let the customers know that games will still play fine enough on the old hardware, which means that the ambition for their games is one that is sustainable on older hardware.......
Jigga117
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I have 2 TVs that do it and again what is with this standard shit? 4k@120 if true is an option not some standard. you make it sound as if that’s the only resolution it can play in.
I don't know it appears there was an uptick.
As for as your projections on what the games will look like. We'll all see on the 23rd.
Jigga117
Member
Then you didn’t pay attention to the breakdown for the series X. The ray tracing has a dedicated hardware specifically to handle RT not just the GPU
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triplestation
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maybe they're going the server assisted graphics route
Bankai
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Maybe 1 raytraced reflection of the inside of the trunk. That counts.
too much eslim
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I don't think the next Forza will be playable on xbox one. They made their no exclusive statement last year around October. By the time this game comes out a year will have past.
This is a game that will be CPU intensive so it will not be able scale. So I fully expect Forza 8 to be xbox Series X exclusive.
They did all that they can on xbox one. Nothing more than can do.
This is a game that will be CPU intensive so it will not be able scale. So I fully expect Forza 8 to be xbox Series X exclusive.
They did all that they can on xbox one. Nothing more than can do.
forza horizon 2 was cross gen
FM8 can be developed with old engine by another studio just like fh2 for last gen
FM8 can be developed with old engine by another studio just like fh2 for last gen
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too much eslim
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Those were two separate games though. Idk if they are going that route again.
M1chl
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Now this is fucking generation leap....
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Might actually be possible. For starters the Forza engines are incredibly well-optimized. Additionally, I've been speculating for a while that there might be GPU customizations on the Series systems to help facilitate this.
If you remember, a LONG few months ago there was an apparently random AMD Indian engineer's LinkedIn talking about their work on the Series X APU. In it they explicitly mentioned x86-64 and ARM cores. Now if we assume the Series's OS work the same was as the older systems, then the ARM cores likely aren't for that since they didn't use ARM co-processors. We also know they aren't for any part of the I/O hardware or audio since it more or less would've been mentioned by now, directly or indirectly.
XBO, the X and a couple Nvidia cards have hardware support for executeIndirect, allowing the GPU to process instructions without direct CPU instruction passes to cut down on stalls. I don't know how robust its implementation was in those systems and GPU cards, but it's there. Some patents seem to show that they have expanded hardware support for this significantly, or at least could in theory. So to me it kind of ties in with that LinkedIn listing from months back.
If that's the case then I can see 4K/120 with optimized RT in a game like Forza 8 being readily possible, since the GPU would have a secondary coprocessor means of getting instructions for data calculation. It's not too far-fetched to think it's been customized in this fashion, either; Nvidia cards already use ARM and FPGA cores on them, mainly to help manage their memory and features like GPUDirectStorage. So I can see MS having made some customizations to their APU inspired by this which could increase efficiency and throughput of GPU calculations along the pipeline.
Still though, for now it's speculation. Hopefully we get definitive answers in August when the Hot Chips presentation comes along.
The highest resolution defines the standard, because the scalability of a game is basically in its resolution and frame rate.
You think there would be a version on top running at 4k 60 with improved assets, lighting etc? That's never gonna happen.
All that would happen is that Series X owners without an appropriate tv would have to play a game that looked like current gen at 4k 60.
Jaguar Victory
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Fine - I'll be the person who is excited for the cinematic storyline. You bunch of lames..
Fulcizombie
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Wanna bet that halo infinite will blow away graphically every ps5 launch and launch window title ?
Mistershine.
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The quote was aimed at people buying an xbox one, hence him going on to talk about having people covered if they buy an xbox one between last November and the release of series x.
Dr Bass
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With needing to run on Xbox one systems I think you’re going to see a loooot of 60 fps games on series X. And I totally believe you’ll see a decent number of 120 FPS games too.
It’s the exclusive games where people doubt 60 will be the norm. It’s very reasonable to think studios would rather push the art and visuals and have 30 FPS.
Dr Bass
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Look at how confusing the cross generational strategy is to people already. People who play games as a major hobby. Imagine if you’re someone with a One X and all of a sudden you can’t play “the new games” because they cut it off after a “few years”. I feel like this thread is already showing this whole thing to be a bad strategy.
JLB
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Ill be honest, I dont quite understand how those first four items will affect the game:
- New tire pressure model.
- Dynamic track temperatures.
- New atmosphere pressure system, affecting air density, dynamics, and power.
- Redesigned suspension system With ned modeling.
JLB
Banned
What is confusing?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sounds good, except for the cinematic storyline.
When I played FH2, you get nailed with all sorts of narrative shit from the UK guy. I just want to race and complete events. I don't need a narrator gabbing in cut scenes in between events.
When I played FH2, you get nailed with all sorts of narrative shit from the UK guy. I just want to race and complete events. I don't need a narrator gabbing in cut scenes in between events.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Forza is a racing game M$ fans can believe in
JLB
Banned
No more pick up trucks or weird shit
Please stop having that many American cars.
I mean, what is wrong with having more options? Just dont use them.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
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Different tracks have different types of tarmack. Until now they have basically used the same type of road for every track but in the real world each track is a bit different.
Dynamic tire pressure would affect long terms races as the pressure would change and the feel of the car would as the races goes on.
Atmosphere would affect cooling and air pressure I would assume. But I can't see this amount a huge difference in how it plays.
Different tracks have different types of tarmack. Until now they have basically used the same type of road for every track but in the real world each track is a bit different.
Dynamic tire pressure would affect long terms races as the pressure would change and the feel of the car would as the races goes on.
Atmosphere would affect cooling and air pressure I would assume. But I can't see this amount a huge difference in how it plays.
FranXico
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Hitting the GaaS...
Dr Bass
Member
There are people arguing in this thread how long this cross generational support thing is going to last, what the “base” system is, and why it has to be Xbox one if we are getting 120 fps support while others say that’s not how studios work (as if anyone outside knows). You have Xbox fans arguing about Xbox support in an Xbox thread. No one truly knows wtf Microsoft is doing in this regard long term. One day the you just won’t get new Xbox one games for no real reason other than “it’s time”?
I would prefer that, at least I would be sure FM8 would look next gen
too much eslim
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I think smart delivery prevents that.
JLB
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So like in PC or Playstation? Like business as usual? Are you 100% there wont be cross gen games on PS5? Are you 100% a PC game will work on your computer before checking the specs? Do you know which features will be available on the infinite possible pc specs combinations? Do you know which features are going to be available on cross gen ps5 games like AC Valhalla? By the way, what would be the "base" model there? Pro or 4?
Sometimes people wants to be obtuse by sport. You know, reminds me some of those offended by the old crappy Xbox One UI. Yes, was crappy. But my kid at the time was 4 and had no issues using it. I guess a dumb 20-ish can do it as well, right?
I'm right there with you!
7 Motorsports is a long time to have kept the same formula.
It is time for a new flavour!!
Mistershine.
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Air pressure relates to engine power, higher pressure gives you more power gives you better acceleration and top speed, low pressure is the opposite.
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Storyline will be a great addition to an already amazing franchise
CrysisFreak
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I wonder if MS knows how important the FH franchise is to many people, as the genre isn't exactly at its peak. So I hope that they don't spare any expense during the development of FH5.
LostDonkey
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I heard a rumour a while back they were switching to Unreal Engine for this entry.
Don't know if it's true or not.
Don't know if it's true or not.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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the first two and the last one basically have to do with friction dynamics and behavior. more variables, more calculations, more realism.
the atmospheric pressure I think will manifest more in high speeds aerodynamics. of course it could also mean that engines will output less in higher altitudes, where air density is lower etc.
as a consequence, maybe the tuning system might be revamped, if indeed substantial new parameters define the driving dynamics.
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