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Geoff Keighley: PS4 Used Game DRM (EDIT: but now apparently on hold)
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Deleted member 17706
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Time will tell. Shit is already blowing up in the Internet. This will spread.
Will it be enough to bring about any change? We'll see.
It absolutely will be if this is the direction consoles are headed.
Syphon Filter
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online is required for sure. 24 hr is what phil said, he let it slip so that is why they are saying otherwise.
you can't even install your game if your x1 is not connected to internet
In the direction of apple where games are attached to an account?
zeopower6
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Isn't that already how PSN handles things?
i think you can play your games without signed in to psn... never tried it though so i dunno
As much as I'd like a miracle Wii U surge if BOTH Sony and Microsoft screw up, yeah, I kind of figure this actually would chase all but a certain spectrum of gamer off. It'd probably cause a collapse/very rapid contraction, which was likely inevitable but maybe could've been avoided or at least handled better.
No physical media and it more or less works in a way that makes sense to people. And they're amazingly good about BC, though given the iOS ecosystem is younger than the consoles it'd need to be the case.
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The games are mostly $0 - $10.
Also, you can install on multiple devices simultaneously and play without a connection with most games.
zeopower6
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Agh, I think I misunderstood that "account attachment" statement, oops~
I think the fallout will be worse. Two of the three major companies going this route, and then the third having an "underpowered" console for the rest of current gen? People will flip out.
I will say if games end up being cheaper as a whole, i'm fine with this...but it would be strange seeing Xbox One and PS4 games releasing at 49.99 or something compared to WiiU.
I'm considering the same depending on how this plays out. If they lose me this (next) generation they may never get me back. Once I realize how little I'm missing out on I'll probably not care to return even if they smarten up later. My PC backlog is already so massive that I could easily get away with not having a next gen system and never reach a point where I have nothing fun to play.
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Deleted member 8095
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Fuck that, I can't lend my apps to my friends or re-sell them privately. So, no thanks.
I am Michael Bolton
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But most games are free or only cost $1.
Syphon Filter
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shouldnt you rent then.why would you buy something knowing that you will sell it.
The production values and polish reflects the prices.
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graywolf323
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and EA pulled the original from XBL and PSN (it was a PS2 classic on PSN) when the new Criterion version came out
Thanks for this reply. I didn't have to bother.
nelsonroyale
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If this is enforced for consoles, it will definitely be for big titles on PC. Luckily, there are ways of getting round it on PC.
when was the last time you played a game on PC?
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Deleted member 8095
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I sent him a tweet telling him I would only buy a PS4 if it has DRM. Sorry man.
My sarcasm detector is confused. You sound serious and yet why would anyone do that?
Bojanglez
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Yeah thank god the ipad will allow me to pick up a physical copy of a game in store and trade-in and old game if I get bored of it.
Apple's "ecosystem" is more draconian than anything that Sony or MS has cooked up yet. At least the console game market will allow some form of competition for sales, even if it is no more than Steam currently does.
Yes we do. PS4 will not need online to play games.
But maybe you need online to activate them. It's all semantics, you don't need to be online to play single player on X1 either, just do your 24 hour check and you can stay offline.
I always find it funny how people try to explain why they can't be online with their console while they post about the new smart features of their TV, their Smartphone and posting here in the first place.
PSN is very open. I can buy a digital game and install it in my sister's PS3, even with the free games I get from PS+. And I would say more: after buying a digital game and install it in my PS3 and my sister's PS3, we both can play online in the same game. We tried with Dead Island and had no problems at all.
So I hope we have this in PS4 digital games.
MomoPufflet
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At least on the surface, it seems like it would be blowing a huge opportunity if they go and do the same thing as MS. I mean sure they won't get to dick people on reselling their games and whatever magic amount of money that will give them, but think of the chance to basically scoop an entire chunk of the gaming community. Can't only good things come from being different in this case?
Xbox they said you will be able to play some game modes offline but have not described it yet
So how do I go about selling my used iOS games?
Aren't those two basically the same? People already accept the no resale thing with digital purchases. Or are you suggesting that people who buy used games would instead look for cheaper alternatives?
Isn't that where PSN/XBLA games fill that gap.
iamshadowlark
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A 24 hour check in us alot more restrictive than an initial activation. Signs are pointing that Sony wont go thru with it, but still.
Sub $10 games incite a lot less outrage than something you spent 5x-6x in.
Yes I want to resell my 99 cent iOS game for maximum value and profit, 99 wonderful cents. Actually that's impossible in Canada since we eliminated the penny.
Official stance of Sony is quite clear:
"Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all"
- Senior VP of worldwide studios Michael Denny
Canis lupus
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Man E3 can't come soon enough.
nelsonroyale
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Hmm, Diablo 3 I think...Or Max Payne 3. Diablo 3 was pure idiocy.
zomgbbqftw
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That's not true. Michael Denny (SCEWWS) said you can use the console and keep it completely offline and still get the full experience from single player titles.
michaelius
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Yoshida said that PS4 games can be played on console which is totally not connected
fabricated backlash
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The difference being that i can get games on Steam for pocket change multiple times a year. No way in hell would I pay full price for a PC game that I can't resell.
I also am incredibly picky about what I buy because of this shit.
Pancakes R Us
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What is it about the games industry that makes console manufacturers think they have a right to do this, or that they should? Maybe I missed the memo if it happened, but DVDs and Blu-ray Discs don't come with this kind of DRM, right? Why do developers feel so entitled to a cut of used game sales when they have already got the cut from that initial sale? Does any other industry operate like this? Second hand furniture, do the manufacturers get a cut? No.
TacticalFox88
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This is what happens when the CEOs and top executives aren't gamers or developers.
Sony could go either way and see benefits tbh.
DRM, Publisher relations improve, and MS has taken most of the flak for this already. Additionally, if they went one time vs 24 hour checks, they could come out with a few of the benefits of the other side...
No DRM obviously good gamer gamewill, more sales, etc..
DRM, Publisher relations improve, and MS has taken most of the flak for this already. Additionally, if they went one time vs 24 hour checks, they could come out with a few of the benefits of the other side...
No DRM obviously good gamer gamewill, more sales, etc..
Miles Quaritch
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I think they have no choice to change course if Sony decide not to implement a similar feature, even if it's on a publisher to publisher basis.
MS seemingly changed course over the online requirement, I can only assume this is also something that's as simple as a software update to disable. They'd be wise to do it too, the backlash will only get worse if/when Sony confirm they'll have no anti used games measures.
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edit: wrong thread!
Metalmurphy
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wrong!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59537805&postcount=574
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59073653&postcount=148
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59377121&postcount=44
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59304413&postcount=160
But honestly, if Sony ends up not blocking their first party games and publishers code in their own blocks and not use a Sony API for, I don't see how any blame can be directed at Sony. I still wont be getting one regardless.
blitzcloud
Banned
Like alien: colonial marines!
Seriously? This is probably the time to bring attention to it, because it highlights one of the fears of DD only, or at least the one I have: good games being pulled in the name of marketing. Yeah, if anyone cared that Sonic 2006 got pulled it was more out of principle than serious anger, but it seems like a slippery slope once games are pulled merely for being "inconvenient" to have around. And I don't doubt used activation could be conveniently blocked and copies called back.and EA pulled the original from XBL and PSN (it was a PS2 classic on PSN) when the new Criterion version came out
And also why their naming scheme for NFS is the dumbest.
Given that applications such as Photoshop and Autocad has gone to subscription model, I'm guessing the whole copyrighted thing (games, publications, movies) would follow the trend sooner or later. The (vendor's) ideal world is that absolutely no binary will be stored at consumer's end terminal.
Of course if software (or any content) vendor pursues this path then consumer must have some benefits also, besides convenience issues. The occasional discounts from Steam may be an indication to it...
Of course if software (or any content) vendor pursues this path then consumer must have some benefits also, besides convenience issues. The occasional discounts from Steam may be an indication to it...
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