Tomeru
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Of course they do. But the purpose of the games are somewhat different, and should be the deciding factor. Whats the point of judging an online game for not being an offline game (for ex.)?
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Of course they do. But the purpose of the games are somewhat different, and should be the deciding factor. Whats the point of judging an online game for not being an offline game (for ex.)?
AstroNut325
Member
Are people wanting their racing games to be like Madden/FIFA with incremental updates on an annual/or semi-annual basis?
ethomaz
Banned
No other GT game was bundled like GT3 in US... we are talking here at way over 4 million bundles... lifetime GT sales in US barely reaches half that.
Like I said for some period in US every PS2 sold was bundled with GT3... every single one... we have data... NPD PS2 sales for this period are GT3 sales.
PanicFreak
Member
Only four reviews counted though.
I know SCEA had heavy givaways during that window for North America with GT3, Parappa 2, and a few other first-party games. They literally gave away 250,000 units (?) just for a breakfast cereal promo called "Eat n' Earn." Stuff like that inflates those numbers more than a lot of people realize.
ethomaz
Banned
We wont get more than 2 GTs per gen... probably we will only get GTS this gen.
GoldenCrow
Member
Hell no.
I want to see more purpose and distinction between franchises and have them excel in different areas of racing rather than trying to do everything approach. As an example: If a company want to do vintage racing don't just slap them in a game about GT racing make a game that echos the dangers and differences that were found in racing during a set period and have it tonally relevant, cars that could fall apart whilst going around the top of banking, tracks like Monza before they were made slower and races like Targa Florio.
itshutton
Member
I think people are actually getting tired of Forza. Jeff Gerstmann was talking on it recently and made me think a 4 year cycle might be the smarter bet. Pouring resources and money into a franchise year in year will give short term success, but is likely to yield less than different studios with different IPs in the long run.
Obviously I know assets are refused etc. Just my gut feeling.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Maybe they want them more frequently than once every four years?
hey you gts 89 prediction... looking good? 😁
anyway, i think you will be closer with the sales figures
ethomaz
Banned
It will only go up now
It will only go up now
ha... sure? take a look at gamespot preview
but yeah it will 80ishpolyh3dron
Banned
Seriously, how can anyone rattle off sales numbers for some kind of hackeneyed argument about a decline in the GT series and omit this glaring caveat?
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
ha... sure? take a look at gamespot preview
The one that has no idea TAG was a thing in motorsports? Very informed that review is.
ethomaz
Banned
GS written looks like a 8/10 in my view.ha... sure? take a look at gamespot preview
IISANDERII
Member
Yeah but it's basically irrelevant because they did the research and found that most players only used a fraction of the cars.
Splash Wave
Member
I feel like this is really missing the point. Like, the reason to include a shitload of cars isn't because everyone wants to use all of them, but because fans of different car companies have enough to play with to stay within their respective preferences. People who prefer Japanese cars to American ones, for example, would never have to touch the latter and could still feel like they had a lot to work with.
Curious what the F1 crowd thinks of this question.
Every other year is good, depending on the focus. Gives time to improve technology, features, and content. Too long a break can be a double-edged sword unless you're going for something really different (like how long it took between Skyward Sword and BOTW... and even then, there was ALBW on 3DS and 2 HD remasters on Wii U to keep folks happy).
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Yup, I'd rather have more courses (even if they are fantasy tracks) than yet another dumbass Skyline.
ethomaz
Banned
I do believe the low count is due the new model of constant updates adding cars in the game.
PD will be adding regularly new cars and the count will increase fast.
It will probably has over 200 cars before years ends.
Splash Wave
Member
I really hope that's true, but my post was written as a response to Sony's findings about the number of cars that players actually use.
It's only based on three reviews so far, but the GameRankings.com meta-average is sitting at 80.
IISANDERII
Member
I'm sure Kaz and Sony are glad to no longer cater to those who say "I'm not touching the car of a gaijin" or "To hell with those Japanese rice wagons".
BBQ_of_DOOM
Member
I think it falls anywhere between 76-82.
Unknown?
Member
Whats wrong with these aggregate sites? There are way more reviews than that from REAL websites. Thats why all of them are useless.
Sticking to my 78-83 prediction.
I like Jeff. He's just tired of racing games in general and wants more burnout and trackmania. Forza Horizon has sold more and more copies each release and Motorsport seems to be steady for the most part this gen and no real big declines
...what?
Splash Wave
Member
I mean, people can prefer certain manufacturers without writing the others off to that extent.
Unknown?
Member
Theyre sites that compile reviews and there are way more out there than what they have up now from sites that arent amateur blogs.
Also I hate how different games have different review sites included but excluded in others. Not to mention they should just compile all reviews. Dont tell me who is credible or not, we all can determine that ourselves and dont need aggregate sites doing that for us.
The one that has no idea TAG was a thing in motorsports? Very informed that review is.
So to review a soccer game, in example, you need to read soccer rules... kind of?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Not the rules, but you better be damned sure you know all the sponsors.
NullPointer
Member
Well, so far the metacritic is one short of my guess of 79.
Because Forza 5 has a 79
SkylineRKR
Member
Not going to buy this. It feels great, very polished. But with Shadow of War, TEW2 and Wolf on the backlog this game has to wait when its on sale.
The car list is kind of shocking tbh. GT5 had more Premium Ferrari's.
The car list is kind of shocking tbh. GT5 had more Premium Ferrari's.
That makes no sense. Soccer worldwide has literally thousands on sponsors.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
As long as 1 GT game sells better than 2 or 3 Forza games, Sony won't care. It's if GT sales start slipping game after game they would probably look to take some kind of action then.
GoldenCrow
Member
They all handle completely differently so gameplay wise they are totally different.
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Still think its strange how so many people are moaning about a lack of single player content when you can do everything in single player that you could in the prior games besides championships and has added more than it has taken away. The only difference is that it's presented differently and not spoon fed to you.
How the single player content presented is much better as you aren't forced to play against AI you can beat by the third corner and lap by the third lap on the hardest difficulty just to get to some decent cars so you can actually play the game at decent speeds. Nor are you forced to do the same damn events just to progress allowing you to get right into the meat of the game. You can indulge in the car collecting just like the other games but with more robust features, choosing any route you like to acquire them and then with areas devoted to making them look how you like with livery system and take pics all day long in scapes. Want to win cars and do challenges, well all that is there for you as well.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Theres always one XD
Chuck Norris
Banned
At some point they had to hit the reset button and leave some cars in the past. Especially the standard ones
They will rebuild the library slowly over time
Gran Turismo 6 has sold 5M copies which is more than FM5 and FM6 combined.
And that was Polyphony's "failure" game.
cookie-monster
Member
better an incremental update than a stunted single player campaign
Gaming Age review in progress
http://www.gaming-age.com/2017/10/gran-turismo-sport-work-progress-review-ps4/
AstroNut325
Member
The argument can be made that:
1. GT1-6 already had the classic campaigns you're looking for. Why continue offering the same thing?
2. There are other racing games on the market that offer the type of campaign in question. If the need for the classic rags-to-riches campaign is satisfied by the competition, why should PD invest more money into that?
3. How do you get the genre to move forward? It seems like PD and Sony don't want GT become the next Madden/FIFA/NBA with just roster changes and incremental improvements. Offering the same product as before means people will continue to ignore the advances and innovations they are bringing to their game, particularly with respect to community, online, and overall racing.
transformer
Member
Yes. Many repeat cars with slightly different specs (which used to just be upgrading a car). It makes the car count a bit inflated. However, I'm more bothered with the lack of open wheelers. But I still think PD did the right thing and started from the ground up. Abandoning the poor assets from GT5/GT6 was the right move. It would be nice if they had a bit more given how much time they have been working on it, but I applaud them for having a high standard for all the content. I'd rather have high quality, low quantity than the other way around.
transformer
Member
1. Some people like to play offline campaign. Why not offer it? Pretty much all racing games have it.
2. If PD wants to compete in that space they should include it. If not, then that's fine as well.
3. I really like the concept that PD is taking with GT Sport. A change of pace was needed for the franchise (GT5/6 were low points). I'm curious as to how it turns out. Sadly, I won't be playing much as I can't justify a PS4 purchase for this one game I want
1: Just no. 4 years and a new generation of hardware brings advancements in just about everything to improve on the old. Better simulation, better track scans, new cars, better AI, sound, plenty to make the series feel fresh.
2: There is not. Forza seems close but once you start playing, it really pales in comparison. So much so that I think I'm already done with it. GT literally invented that style of automotive campaign and few have ever approached it.
3: I think you got this backwards, now we will just be spoon fed incremental updates as DLC with little major advancements more in line with annual games. The development cycle for GT has never been close to yearly. Each new game brought new things. A crafted campaign would not hurt any of Sports new features.
The campaign was a defining element of the GT series. Fans wanted it fixed not scraped. Not that hard to understand.