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Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls coming to PS4 (pal only for now, US to follow)
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I was serious
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
Only the parts that already looked godly
We'll be lucky to get improved rain trickle unless they've got it ready-made for their PS4 game
But the train seat headrest texture may not look like shit now.
shikamaroooo
Member
Good news, held out on getting beyond on PS3. Can't wait to try it out
Labolas
Member
Nah, you weren't. I don't recall it winning any goty awards that year. Even if it did, it's ridiculous to think it'll win again.
The story of Beyond isn't anywhere as bad as people claimed it is.
Pure david cage hate. Put his name on until dawn, that would have been funny.
Now that doesn't mean Beyond is flawless, but it s an improvement over the mess Heavy Rain was.
Problem is that it lost interactivity and paths :/.
Still a solid experience that I recommend.
Pure david cage hate. Put his name on until dawn, that would have been funny.
Now that doesn't mean Beyond is flawless, but it s an improvement over the mess Heavy Rain was.
Problem is that it lost interactivity and paths :/.
Still a solid experience that I recommend.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Ah, didn't realize that. Not obvious to me.
Manny Calavera
Member
I actually consider the story in Heavy Rain to be pretty good in video game standards. Sure it's not flawless airtight or without plotholes, but it does what it's supposed to. It makes you emotionally invested to the story and the characters that very few video games have. I also thought the mystery was fascinating and none of the plotholes bothered me a bit while playing it and I appreciated how it was influenced by some great films. Sure it's not masterpiece of writing like Casablanca, Chinatown or Silence of the Lambs or doesn't give quite as strong a gut punch like Se7en a film which I feel influenced some of the games storylines. I get the same feeling of people who complain about the plot in Heavy Rain who considers it a plothole in Dark Knight Rises how they didn't explain how Bruce got back to Gotham.
For me Heavy Rain has one of the most enjoyable stories in videogames and I've been playing a lot story based games since the late 80's. It pulls you in and creates an effective mood and atmosphere despite the plotholes, some awkward acting and other problems. Can't wait to play it again on PS4 and see if it still holds up as well for me.
For me Heavy Rain has one of the most enjoyable stories in videogames and I've been playing a lot story based games since the late 80's. It pulls you in and creates an effective mood and atmosphere despite the plotholes, some awkward acting and other problems. Can't wait to play it again on PS4 and see if it still holds up as well for me.
Off-Kilter
Banned
Whoa how the hell did I miss this announcement?
Off-Kilter
Banned
You and I are in the same boat. I never owned a PS3 and my list of reasons for buying one on the cheap has been shrinking by the day.
Still waiting for Soony and Konami to give me them Demon's Souls and MGS4 remasters tho.
nelsonroyale
Member
Regardless I found it more entertaining than many movies I have seen recently. Jurassic World comes to mind, which was basically a B-movie quality rehash resting on pretty absurd assumptions.
In games there a plenty with stories I consider worse, even if they may be relatively less garbled. Batman games have very poor plots with villains shoed in to the max. Good direction though. Assassin Creed games have a stinker of an overarching plot.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I don't see how anyone looking for good stories would play any game. Movies do it better in pretty much all regards. Games just aren't there yet in terms of good stories.
Even bad movies tend to tell stories better than good games.
me too. it's way better than heavy rain.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
There's a lot that I prefer in Beyond, but I think the Heavy Rain DLC/standalone thing where she was investigating the house was the best thing they've done though.
Kinda dreading revisiting them after Until Dawn. That game streamlined a lot of the systems for the better. I know they're different things, but QD games have so much more downtime in comparison now.
Hamster Plugin
Member
Remember that Beyond Two Souls was censored in Europe, because that's what Sony likes to do.
I'll see what the double bundle costs on US PSN when it comes and buy if it's a good price.
I'll see what the double bundle costs on US PSN when it comes and buy if it's a good price.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
That's pretty cool, I don't get the hate towards Heavy Rain, I loved it. Never got into Beyond, it just didn't grab me the same way but I'd still like to finish it.
Triggerhappytel
Member
It's a great looking game, so I'm sure it would still look impressive on current-gen with just a little work.
I assumed it was that they both
got hit and Ethan got injured too, but the injury was enough to kill Jason while his father recovered
I mean, this sounds pretty hyperbolic. Besides changing the prisoner in the cage of GoW1 from a man to an undead soldier, does SCEE really do this a lot?
fvng
Member
Nothing bores me more than David Cage hate. Yawn.
I would have loved additional missions like the African one she went on, several more chapters like that would have been an amazing stand alone game in its own right
For me, the problem with the game was that the story seemed to contradict the very purpose of the game (which is having an effect on the narrative) with the story always wanting to be one specific thing. Also, the fact that the game is ordered out of sequence means the action scenes lack weight as you know Jodie is going to be fine. Add to that , the notion that game over is a failure of the game designer is fine in principle and works in until dawn. But ultimately all that failing a prompt or something leads to a slightly different scene and the story just always ends up correcting itself.
That is some criticism I have and that is without even mentioning the David Cageisms of the story so I don't think it is just David Cage hate.
rockman zx
Member
I will pay to see GAF reaction to that.
I agree and that is what I said myself.
I was referring to people claiming they played the game and how "horrendous and shitty" the story and writing was, blaming Cage for his inability to write.
Which is blatantly false.
Justified criticism was rare for this game. ("i d rather buy a movie" was also recurring)
And like you I mentioned how the out of chronology sort of killed any branching path and tension until the final chapters.
You were more of a witness than an actor. Which is the game's biggest flaw.
I still recommend it. Beautiful journey IMO.
THAT BEING SAID, it came out when walking dead was being praised as game of the year.
As passive as Beyond was, it played, looked, and felt more active about a trillion times more than TWD.
Ellen was really moving too.
Watch auto correcting boring cutscenes with ugly animations, effects,gameplay for brain dead people, mash that one button repeatedly for all action scenes... urgh. But hey it wasnt David Cage so "fantastic writing" and game of the year.
Twd was closer to a visual novel than it was to a game. Felt very hypocritical to see people in love with TWD shit on Beyond when the latter offered far more variety in its concept, at high production value.
I understand the appeal for zombies, but this is a game experience, while writing matters, execution is what is important in the end. That s why Heavy Rain is still better than both despite far worse writing.
I ll stop ranting now.
On another unrelated note :
Life is Strange and King s Quest are amazing and above telltale games.
Wolf among us and borderlands are great. But Twd s2 game of thrones back to the future etc.. are utter garbage.
william_557
Member
Yes heavy rain was awesome though i still need to play beyond two souls
You're goddamn right.
gbpackers25
Member
We will probably get all of that at Paris Games Week
That's what I'm thinking yeah.
Jurassic World is played for laughs. Heavy Rain and Beyond are not. You get more mileage out of a campy tale (e.g. Until Dawn) that isn't taking itself seriously, than a serious tale that turns campy. Add in the ridiculous amount of non-interactivity and you get the response to Beyond.
As for Batman. . .they have comic book plots. Those stories are easily something you would expect to find in the comics.
Buttonbasher
Member
They're saying it's their personal Game of the Year. No need to attack that.
Yes they are good.
HR is a psychological thriller detective game with a linear narrative structure that follows 4 characters in search of a serial killer.
Beyond is "slice of life" adventure game about girl who has supernatural "friend" that is constantly messing with her life. Narrative structure is non-linear, game jumps to random moments in her life.
Both game have great production values, and they will look even better when they are freed from 720p30 rendering limitations.
jokebreath
Member
I still haven't finished Beyond, but I feel pretty mixed about both Heavy Rain and Beyond. I didn't mind the silly plotholes in Heavy Rain much, and I felt like there were some really great moments where I was surprised at the effectiveness of the storytelling. Also, no other game has forced you to cut off your own fingers, and I though that was a great squeamish moment.
But the two problems I have are that the dialog is stilted and poorly written and everything is wrapped up in such a profound uncanny valley effect it's very difficult to push past and appreciate the good moments.
But the two problems I have are that the dialog is stilted and poorly written and everything is wrapped up in such a profound uncanny valley effect it's very difficult to push past and appreciate the good moments.
I really don't people's dislike for David Cage games made them elevate the walking dead, that is kinda a silly assumption.
You can have all the production values in the world but badly written characters are badly written which reduces any emotional impact that Cage intended. Similarly, offering ambitious concepts with twists and turns doesn't elevate a story if they are poorly implemented and cliche as fuck.
Also your argument about interactivity being more passive in telltale games is kind of irrelevant imo. Maybe you don't have as much interactivity in them as Cage games but with the tools they used to tell their story they had far better results. Journey and Gone Home lacked any meaningful mechanics yet both were far more meaningful to me than any Call of Duty or Gears of War.
I think you misunderstand peoples dislike of Cage games with dislike for the medium, Just ignore people who come in to threads about these and say things like "I'd rather buy a movie" as you mentioned.
Labolas
Member
Well, I wouldn't have say anything if they stated would be THEIR goty again, but they didn't. Clarifying that would have help.
Yes, they are really good. Have you played UNTIL DAWN?
Something like that.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
Ah now. Until dawn is leaps and bounds ahead of David Cage creations
by that I mean the shite he spoons out and calls story and video games
FranXico
Member
Like others have pointed out, Until Dawn is superior to these games, because it focuses a lot more on the impact of player actions. A lot of reviewers agree on this.
Guys, guys, guys! I just tried to explain what kind of game Heavy Rain (and Beyond) is.
Until Dawn is one of my favourite games ever.
Actually finished Beyond a few minutes ago on PS3 and i'm quite interested to see if QD's next title is Beyond 2 after that ending. It's a complete cliffhanger, but David Cage has said he doesn't like sequels.
I liked it (not nearly as bad as people say), but I think they were a little ambitious with the PS3. It ran like a turd at times, so hopefully this PS4 version runs better.
I liked it (not nearly as bad as people say), but I think they were a little ambitious with the PS3. It ran like a turd at times, so hopefully this PS4 version runs better.
funkystudent
Member
Any update on these ports? I know they are playable at Paris Games Week.
Going to guess they are missing the 2015 release but I really want to give Beyond a go. Kind of a missed opportunity not to have them available to buy with the Detroit announcement.
Going to guess they are missing the 2015 release but I really want to give Beyond a go. Kind of a missed opportunity not to have them available to buy with the Detroit announcement.
DOWN
Banned
Pretty sure we were told expect 2016 and they didn't miss out. They are fine just releasing before Detroit.