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Tetris 99 and F-Zero 99 are two of the best multiplayer games to come out in the last decade though.
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How can Steam offer such freedom, ex; free cloud saves and online play but console still can't?
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Tetris 99 and F-Zero 99 are two of the best multiplayer games to come out in the last decade though.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Valve also isn't making a lot of expensive triple A games that may or may not succeed.
It's no coincidence IMO that as soon as Steam money started pouring in Valve stopped making Half-life 3.
Astray
Member
That too.
Damigos
Member
Nah, PC and PS5 is betterIf Piracy was rampant on PC, Valve would still reguarly be making games.
Steam is popular because even with piracy, they offered a service better than it.
PC and steam deck for portability
Fahdis
Member
Just buy all 3rd party on pc, that way you get the online for those and over time as long as people do that, the console makers will have to drop the online paywall (alot of games die in a month on switch if not even faster due to it, why pay for matchmaking with no opponents?).
Connxtion
Gold Member
They see it they just don’t want to acknowledge it
Ivan
Member
Your way... In every thread.
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kazuyamishima
Member
Capitalism is a great thing that can let you choose which poison you want.
If you still choose any particular poison and still complain about it, it’s mostly on you considering that Google and other stuff exists nowadays.
All corporations only want your money, and that’s it, they’re not your friends
Funny thing is how Nintendo gets praise from PC players for doing the same stuff as the other 2.
If you still choose any particular poison and still complain about it, it’s mostly on you considering that Google and other stuff exists nowadays.
All corporations only want your money, and that’s it, they’re not your friends
Funny thing is how Nintendo gets praise from PC players for doing the same stuff as the other 2.
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hououinkyouma00
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Yeah I don't get the sudden praise. They're really not that different, just cheaper and with worse online
It's still paid online at the end of the day. I don't like it.
Kokoloko85
Member
Valve just sits back and makes money from every game developer. They arent competing with anything.
They dont have the same issues Sony, Xbox and Nintndo do as a platform. They also make the least games out of them And probably the least investment.
They dont have the same issues Sony, Xbox and Nintndo do as a platform. They also make the least games out of them And probably the least investment.
Negotiator
Member
Online MP games are better with a F2P business model (no subscription needed, bigger player pool).
Lack of free cloud saves is shitty though and to make it even worse, PS5 saves cannot be backed up on a USB stick (unlike PS3/4 saves).
Lack of free cloud saves is shitty though and to make it even worse, PS5 saves cannot be backed up on a USB stick (unlike PS3/4 saves).
Negotiator
Member
Switch does have a friends list with Discord-like handles.
I hope Switch 2 adds party chat too.
darrylgorn
Member
Because free internet is just too complicated for console gamers.
MadchesterManc
Member
I suppose when folk are spending millions on games they ain't downloading you got the extra resources to move things around while keeping that cash in your pocket.
GHG
Member
What are you talking about?
Sony are attempting to charge PC gamers for online gaming?
When SonyToo™ goes horribly wrong.
trikster40
Member
It’s not can’t, it’s won’t.
Calverz
Member
You made a good point about pc gamers:
"Because PC gamers are no mugs, and due to the open nature of the platform, if anyone attempts any bullshit then they are at risk of a backlash along with losing customers very quickly."
The most recent example of this is the Helldivers 2 debacle. Not a Microsoft decision 10+ years ago but a Sony one 10+weeks ago.
But as usually you showed the Microsoft stick up your ass.
And now look, helldivers 2 is dying on PC primarily of Sony's "bullshit".
So there you go.
GHG
Member
We are talking about things like attempting to force PC gamers to pay for things like online gaming and cloud saves. Not launcher introduction and any subsequent backlash (a reaction which is normal and warranted).
Read the OP, familiarise yourself with the topic, and keep up.
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FewRope
Member
Helldivers 2 is not "dying" because Sony shit, people are stopping playing because it's a multiplayer game only without big gameplay changes in 4 months lmao
Calverz
Member
Are you saying it’s not a factor then?
FewRope
Member
No, it's not a factor. That controversy doesnt affect the mainstream players that matter to feed the numbers. A multiplayer game without content for 4 months is lucky to have a consistent playerbase nowadays
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I really don’t mind paying a lot more for PS+ subscription. Sony made great games and they deserves the money.
nial
Gold Member
"Fuck Sony and Microsoft for treating their customers like braindead sheeple! Long live Ninten-"
BacklashWave534
Member
You mean the company that spends half of their profilt, time and energy suing people for trying to preserve old games that they never intends to make available again? I think i'll just stick to PC. Nintendo is the most anti-consumer company i have ever seen.
Negotiator
Member
At least it's a lot cheaper... 4 times cheaper compared to PS+/Gold if you only care for buy2play MP (since free2play MP doesn't require a subscription anywhere)."Fuck Sony and Microsoft for treating their customers like braindead sheeple! Long live Ninten-"
Shake Your Rump
Gold Member
Switch Online is particularly egregious. Studies show there is a significant psychological difference between "free" and any amount (even a penny). They fragmented their online user base for a measly $25 a year. Games like Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart used to be filled with a wide pool of players of varying degrees of skill. When they started charging for online, we saw the difference in our Splatoon matches almost immediately."Fuck Sony and Microsoft for treating their customers like braindead sheeple! Long live Ninten-"
it's a goddamn shame. All for a fraction of a percent of their revenue.
Negotiator
Member
Splatoon PvP should have been F2P and not even have different versions (2 vs 3). One unified player pool.
On the other hand, I think it's OK to charge for the Campaign and PvE (Salmon Run).
MarkMe2525
Member
So if we follow the logic, then are Nintendo and Sony players who pay stupid as well? In all seriousness, OG Xbox live offered an infrastructure for consoles that was worth the $5 monthly asking price. I can't say the same for their current pricing structure.
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GreatnessRD
Member
I will always hate Microsoft for introducing that bullshit.
Negotiator
Member
That's because online MP/voice chat was a rarity/novelty in consoles back then, while it's a commodity these days.
TrebleShot
Gold Member
I think the biggest thing is how they treat you as a consumer they actually respect you and offer you refunds.
I'm amazed till this day that Sony AND MS don't let you refund digital items on the store. You can't buy a game zee it runs like.shit and Refund it. It seems absolutely stone age to me.
Sony also charges 30% to publishers but the games seem to be at least 10 more on PS5 AND no refund policy.
Just recently I went around the bend trying to refund a DD2 digital.order as I got it on disc for half the price and it was impossible. They said they'd email me with escalation information and never did after being on live chat with them for a long time.
It's criminal , I mean isn't it literally against consumer law or something.
I'm amazed till this day that Sony AND MS don't let you refund digital items on the store. You can't buy a game zee it runs like.shit and Refund it. It seems absolutely stone age to me.
Sony also charges 30% to publishers but the games seem to be at least 10 more on PS5 AND no refund policy.
Just recently I went around the bend trying to refund a DD2 digital.order as I got it on disc for half the price and it was impossible. They said they'd email me with escalation information and never did after being on live chat with them for a long time.
It's criminal , I mean isn't it literally against consumer law or something.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Because Microsoft and Sony suck.
And Nintendo doesn’t know what they’re doing.
And Nintendo doesn’t know what they’re doing.
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Bonfires Down
Member
It does seem weird from a customer perspective why F2P games have free online play, but when you actually buy a game THEN you have to pay extra to play online.
Negotiator
Member
It makes zero sense, because both F2P and B2P (buy2play) games have MTX (microtransactions).
It's just plain idiotic, because guess what? Most suits/CEOs/bean counters are not gamers themselves.
They don't realize what it means for customer enjoyment to split the player pool in many ways...
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Consoles will offer free cloud saves whenever Valve starts making real games again
MarkMe2525
Member
Correct, that is why I state, in the following sentence, that it is not worth it's current asking price.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
enjoy paying forever then
And while you're at it, I hope that for every year Valve doesn't release a new singleplayer game, the PS Plus subscription jumps by 10%. Let Half Life 3 rot in their devkits for all eternity if it pisses you off
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Enjoy paying forever upgrading hardware forever
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Like you do every 3.5 years? Yeah, same to you bro! Keep Yourself Safe.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
At a much smaller clip than those investing at a high level on the pc ecosystem
FeralEcho
Member
Bingo! It's not that they can't,they just don't want to.Why change their policies when millions of gamers reward them by giving in to their demands. Easy money!