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[FunkMiller]

Diversity in games is not a bad thing, in and of itself.

Much like anything else, a concept can be implemented well, or poorly.

Schrier shows himself up as a person of limited critical faculty and intelligence by not acknowledging this inescapable fact.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Schrier shows himself up as a person of limited critical faculty and intelligence by not acknowledging this inescapable fact.

But he's not though.

It's not that he doesn't know this. He does. He's just being intellectually dishonest because he's an activist proponent of the ideological cancer that has overtaken the West. People like him, when they can't come up with a rational counter-argument for the public's legitimate criticisms, they instead launch into straw-manning and other logical fallacies to try to shame their opponents because they literally have nothing else.

 

[PisswasserYellow]

Let's bring back the real DEI and forget this nonsense ever existed.

 

[Woggleman]

Natural diversity us a good thing but their flavor of DEI just makes things worse and is turning us into a balanced and tribalism society. Whether they know it or not they are helping to create their nightmare scenario.

 

[fart town usa]

He's not a journalist, he's a gatekeeper and a bad actor when it comes to the games industry. Call him out on X, even professionally, and he'll block you.

Dude is a certified bitch.

 

[Drew1440]

I've yet to see a game that benefited from DEI.

 

[BearNecessity]

DEI is funded and incentivised by ESG, which would be categorized as textbook Socialism if it came from a public entity directly. Supply and demand have absolutely nothing to do with this.

Ok so when they put in a chinese character that definitely isnt to appease the billion person market that is china.

Yeah. Sure.

 

[BearNecessity]

Thats why we gotta hit them where it hurts, in their wallets, so far we doing great job, gotta keep going and we will have more games like stellar blade, and not saints row reboot

They arent a predictable bunch. You have a movie like top gun maverick that sells billions and its the return to traditional values. Had it failed though the anti woke crowd would have cried ‘whats with the role reversal between tom cruise and jennifer Connelly, why are there women in the top gun class?? Go woke go broke’

 

[Humdinger]

Identity politics has infected the book publishing industry, too, by the way. Nearly all published authors, heads of publishing houses, editors, and critics are left wing, so identity politics has found an easy foothold there. Lots of talk about "problematic" authors, "problematic" portrayals of particular races, etc. They have what are called "sensitivity readers," who comb through manuscripts for things that are politically incorrect. You see the same stifling of creativity, the same narrowing of voices, that you see in Hollywood and in games. And the same complicitly among the journalists.

One thing that makes me proud to be a gamer, though, is that we push back. We've been pushing back against this nonsense for over a decade, and we aren't going to stop. It's different in Hollywood and in the book publishing industry, where they tend to just accept it and roll over. Gamers, though - probably because we are an unruly bunch who fight dragons in our spare time - push back in all sorts of creative and clandestine ways.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

They arent a predictable bunch. You have a movie like top gun maverick that sells billions and its the return to traditional values. Had it failed though the anti woke crowd would have cried ‘whats with the role reversal between tom cruise and jennifer Connelly, why are there women in the top gun class?? Go woke go broke’

This doesn't make sense. Top Gun is nostalgia-bait, nothing more.

Wokeness is about THE MESSAGE. It's not about gender, race, or aesthetic choices. There have been "diverse" characters for a century. The difference is that in the present day the message has taken over the plot entirely, with the addition of activists doing the job of actual writers.

 

[BearNecessity]

It's okay to be a cuck I guess

Thats also capitalism, hence why its all over your search history.

 

[BearNecessity]

This doesn't make sense. Top Gun is nostalgia-bait, nothing more.

Wokeness is about THE MESSAGE. It's not about gender, race, or aesthetic choices. There have been "diverse" characters for a century. The difference is that in the present day the message has taken over the plot entirely, with the addition of activists doing the job of actual writers.

You would have a point if these kind of media werent review bombed before anyone has actually had a chance to review them. Theres definitely activism going on, and its not from the companies.

 

[The Infectious Paradox]

Diversity not bad. Forced inorganic diversity bad.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I just want for western games to have fun gameplay and cute chicks with big tits and nice asses, like we used to have back on the PS360 gen.

 

[TGO]

Well at least he admits it's too much.

 

[Eiknarf]

I just want for western games to have fun gameplay and cute chicks with big tits and nice asses, like we used to have back on the PS360 gen.

Stellar Blade

 

[funking giblet]

You know what, maybe the next game with a chick in it, we should have 100 pages of how she is ugly. Maybe the game industry will fix itself then?

 

[TintoConCasera]

Stellar Blade

I said western, but thanks anyway.

 

[Wimbledon]

I remember when Halo 5 guardians came out , and I remember it might've been Bonnie Ross or Kiki wolfkill she brought up how diversity was our strength it was like during an interview going over marginalized groups etc.

But I just remember how she framed the discussion was as IF this was Halos weakness was that it didn't have enough of it. But Halo has always had diverse set of characters.

That's what irritates me about modern gaming publishers/developers they are talking about successful games that didn't have trouble with diversity back then but all of a sudden their seeing things that these longtime fans didn't see.

I just want them to be honest because it's not the series that's the issue and diversity has never been the problem with most of these successful games.

I just think their creating conflict that doesn't need to be there, just make the games that fans want, and they will play.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

What is the best way that a 10 year veteran developer (who happens to be trans) could naturally acquire a lead role position at a studio, so that there’s no perceived corporate agenda at play?

This is a genuine question.

Have you not watched the trailer for the game? The game is going to flop and why? Because of all the reasons people are mentioning in this thread. I bet you the game being the way it is has something to do with the director...

 

[Dr. Claus]

Natural diversity is a good thing but their flavor of DEI just makes things worse and is turning us into a balanced and tribalism society. Whether they know it or not they are helping to create their nightmare scenario.

It isn’t real diversity. It is heavily selective and based on anyone not in the “oppressed” category being labeled as “oppressors” and therefore the enemy. Asians, Jews, Any white culture - they don’t consider that diverse.

Not to mention they treate their “diverse” characters as personality-lacking tokens.

 

[March Climber]

Have you not watched the trailer for the game? The game is going to flop and why? Because of all the reasons people are mentioning in this thread. I bet you the game being the way it is has something to do with the director...

Guilty_AI gave the better answer already.

 

[StueyDuck]

Ok so when they put in a chinese character that definitely isnt to appease the billion person market that is china.

Yeah. Sure.

I'm not getting involved in this topic other than calling Jason a weenie (cause he is)

But you have fundamentally misunderstood what DEI is. The ideology is to represent the minority.

Your equivocation is indeed capitalism but it isnt DEI, injecting something to pander to a large majority in order to sell more. (Also the whole China thing is due to Chinese law, not because the studios want to pander, they have to do it if they want to sell it in that market). This is Akin to having Sony or Apple Product placement in movies.

DEI isn't about selling more (in theory) it's about representation (In theory)

 

[Mozzarella]

But people complain about those things Jason! so why are you gaslighting? lol

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It isn’t real diversity. It is heavily selective and based on anyone not in the “oppressed” category being labeled as “oppressors” and therefore the enemy. Asians, Jews, Any white culture - they don’t consider that diverse.

Not to mention they treate their “diverse” characters as personality-lacking tokens.

Most game companies don’t even consider Hispanic and Latino folks diverse even though it’s the biggest minority groupn in the US. Hardly any games have Latino employees or Latino characters. Heck, half the Latino characters are probably in games like GTA as street thugs.

Figure that one out,

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

People just don’t get the bigger picture of DEI.

The goal is the expand the player base to get more people to play/buy games. Back in the day, heck even now, most gamers have been white males. So the white male audience has already brought in. These companies now want to lock down minority/diverse groups and they think they can do that with these DEI strategies but the issue is they aren’t doing it in a genuine way which I think is why DEI gets such a bad reputation.

I think don’t think DEI is the issue, the lack of innovative AAA games and the constant launch of unpolished games is the main issue. Cut down on the GaaS games and 100 hour open world games. The situation with Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League is the prime example of everything bad about the current state of the industry not DEI.

 

[March Climber]

Most game companies don’t even consider Hispanic and Latino folks diverse even though it’s the biggest minority groupn in the US. Hardly any games have Latino employees or Latino characters. Heck, half the Latino characters are probably in games like GTA as street thugs.

Figure that one out,

I’m actually going to make a thread later about the recent latin developer showcase. They had quite a lot of games to show so I hope you enjoy it.

 

[Hudo]

so why are you gaslighting?

It's part of what he does.

Dude gaslights people into thinking he cares about developers and the industry, yet gets incredibly salty when some scandal was uncovered without him (so he can't monetize it with a blog post or a badly written book). Like the Blizzard stuff.
Also, he admitted himself that he does not try to be a journalist yet always moonlights as one if it gives him an argumentative edge.

The guy is the master of gaslighting, the lord of hypocrites.

 

[Goalus]

Latino folks

You mean LatinX?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Most game companies don’t even consider Hispanic and Latino folks diverse even though it’s the biggest minority groupn in the US. Hardly any games have Latino employees or Latino characters. Heck, half the Latino characters are probably in games like GTA as street thugs.

Figure that one out,

Latinos are conservative, since most of them are Christians or support Christian values even if they are atheists and that's contrary to everything DEI stands for.

People just don’t get the bigger picture of DEI.

The goal is the expand the player base to get more people to play/buy games.

No. The goal is censorship and control. This has nothing to do with sales. That's why people supporting DEI are AGAINST the fanbases, which doesn't make sense from a sales perspective. This is not about persuading other audiences but imposing a product on people who don't want it.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

No. The goal is censorship and control. This has nothing to do with sales. That's why people supporting DEI are AGAINST the fanbases, which doesn't make sense from a sales perspective. This is not about persuading other audiences but imposing a product on people who don't want it.

Ok this makes zero sense, look into demographics and where the trend is going.

Pretty sure no one is forcing these companies to make any of these changes. Everything always comes back to money and that’s exactly what this is about.

These companies don’t feel they can make more money from the same player base and these tactics are made to get to a bigger pool of players.

 

[Kamina]

trying to be sarcastic
for the customer, only aggressive microtransactions and forced diversity are an immediate problem, and they stink because the product we pay for is riddled with bullshit
Make what we want to consume, or gtfo.

 

[Sinfulgore]

Ok this makes zero sense, look into demographics and where the trend is going.

Pretty sure no one is forcing these companies to make any of these changes. Everything always comes back to money and that’s exactly what this is about.

These companies don’t feel they can make more money from the same player base and these tactics are made to get to a bigger pool of players.

You're right these companies aren't being forced to do anything. Many modern game developers believe in this DEI stuff and are choosing to push this in their games because they think it's the morally right thing to do and for the praise they receive from their colleagues. Angry_Megalodon is right though that this isn't about making money. The whole idea of DEI is flawed. People don't buy games based on the race or sex of the main character or whatever social messaging it has. None of this DEI stuff is broadening the appeal of games nor is it helping the developers make more money. Games are like books, they already have mass appeal and anyone can jump into gaming at any time. This has been true for decades.