this has happened before with amiibos and most special/ limited editon games/ consoles
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Jimquisition: Nintendo - A Shit Distributor And Fuckheaded Toymaker (Nov. 28, 2016)
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this has happened before with amiibos and most special/ limited editon games/ consoles
Then don't.
This happens every single fucking time for the past 30 years.
I no longer believe it's unintentional.
Professor Beef
Banned
Pretty sure there was a strike which helped prevent amiibos from getting shipped.
There's no way things selling out could be anything other than Nintendo creating artificial scarcity. It makes total sense. Who needs to sell goods when you can have threads on message boards talking about how thing is sold out! Not selling things is where the REAL money's at
Also amiibos, I mean come on it can't be a coincidence! They sold a billion Wii Us they should have known they needed to produce millions more! They should just green light huge amounts of manufacturing and distribution just in case theres high demand and worry about the consequences later. Totez
Skittzo0413
Member
There was lack of supply, that does not mean artificial scarcity!
There seems to be a few conversations going on here. I think the main argument in this thread is artificial scarcity versus actual scarcity.
-Artificial scarcity is where Nintendo produces a sufficient number of devices to meet demand, but decides to only ship a small amount at first in order to hype up demand, where they can then go ahead and resupply quickly in order to sell more units even more quickly than they would have before.
---Artificial scarcity is nonsense, and there is no proof whatsoever that this happens. In fact, it would be VERY easy to find proof if it existed, as we would have Nintendo's finances showing all the warehouse space they use to store the "hidden" resupply units.
-Actual scarcity happens because Nintendo produces less units than there is demand for. This happens for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which that Nintendo likes to cut costs wherever possible and doesn't want to rent warehouse space to store unsold stock.
In both of these scenarios, the lack of supply is definitely intentional. Maybe not to the extent we see here, but it's intentional that they produce as few units as they can get away with. But the artificial scarcity scenario just isn't happening and makes no financial sense. It's a very silly thing to argue without any sort of reasoning or proof to back it up.
Anyone who lived through the 8 bit era and remembers the fuckery surrounding their most popular titles (SMB3 for example) and also remembers how the chips were so "supply constrained" that 3rd party producers had no shot at meeting holiday demand because Nintendo controlled all cartridge production knows this shit with the NES classic is nothing new.
And Nintendo has always been shrewd and controlling whenever they have any leverage. They are not stupid by any means.
And Nintendo has always been shrewd and controlling whenever they have any leverage. They are not stupid by any means.
Tizoc
Member
I misplaced my wii a long time ago and i hadnt bought any nes classics on it not any vc title
So has Nintendo just been unlucky enough to have idiots in the driver's seat for 3 decades? I don't believe that for a second.
Stop being a fanboy. Nintendo is screwing people over so executives can get praise and demand increases.
Pretty clear in this case the product was a bigger hit than Nintendo expected, which was obvious from the initial reaction when it was revealed.
They should be doing some marketing surveys and tracking so they're not completely blindsided by it and can meet demand from their retail partners.
They should be doing some marketing surveys and tracking so they're not completely blindsided by it and can meet demand from their retail partners.
MilkyJoe
Member
Thanks for that
They have had years to do this. They knew it'd do well and they want to continue this shitty racket.
Amazon and GameStop had preorders available till Nintendo shut them down. They did this on purpose.
Milly Osworth
Member
Mr Sterling mocking Nintendo's poor stocking: good
Mr Sterling standing up for the poor retailer workers: come on
Mr Sterling standing up for the poor retailer workers: come on
Read this a few times and cant tell if youre being serious
Thats how stupid it sounds
No you guys are right. Im a fanboy. The only logical conclusion is that nintendo likes not meeting demand or making as much profit as they could, because its leet to have sold out items and creates "buzz". Buzz like whole threads of people calling nintendo incompetent and being pissed about not being able to buy something except from scalpers.
Youre right they "know what theyre doing"... because the this plan is so genius and does them so much good.
Nostremitus
Member
I just don't get it.
I see that he has valid points but he dresses his persona up in such a way that just looking at him is grating.
Not for me, I guess.
You are such a Nintendo fanboy it's pathetic.
You are such a troll.
Look up the De Beers diamond corporation. It's the same thing on a smaller scale. Restrict supply to create perceived value.
Then don't bother posting.
Eh you're just trolling.
Corronchilejano
Member
After the absolute impossibility to get a Pokemon Go Plus (distributed by Nintendo in most of the planet) and the Nintendo NES Classic, I am now in the "Fuck Nintendo Distribution" team.
Milly Osworth
Member
I mean by enabling preorders they would have ballpark outlook how many consoles they need at least to produce as fast as they can.
Do they even know how many people want to buy NES Classic right now? Some backorder program maybe?
SFV would've sold well had it not been released in such an unfinished state to begin with, that was all Capcom's fault.
Tizoc
Member
I dont think you read that post in its entirety >_>
Never assume a conspiracy when simple incompetence explains the situation just as well. Being bad at estimating demand, being cheap about warehouse space and being terrified of unsold inventory explain Nintendo's ability to not meet launch demand just as easily as artificial scarcity to drive up demand.
Nice argument
How does that work here? Nintendo doesnt sell it at a higher price... They arent selling while theyre sold out...and its actually conpletely logical to manufacture conservatively, especially when Nintendo is so doomed all the time. If this were a reality in which its traditional for companies to overproduce and undersell intentionally, it would make sense that artificial scarcity is the only explanation. But thats not how it works. They were conaervative, it didnt meet demand....???.... Nintendo is doing it on purpose.
Theres a leap in logic that requires huge assumptions
I'm simply calling it as I see it, it's sad to see so many people blindly defend Nintendo and think they can never ever do wrong despite evidence to the contrary.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
It's almost as if we're on a forum where people of variable opinion are allowed (and encouraged) to post.
Skittzo0413
Member
How will this product have any sort of demand after Christmas?
This is where the artificial scarcity myth falls apart in my mind. What the hell is the purpose of artificial scarcity if they're incapable of resupplying quickly enough to capitalize on the newly increased demand?
Isn't it far more likely that they just underproduced units in order to spend less on R&D?
I don't think it's any surprise to observe that Jim's costume and props invite comparisons to a fascist dictator making pronouncements. That's the point. I do not think he's inviting Nazi comparisons though. If anything, he seems inspired by the British demagogue in V for Vendetta. You can argue degrees of separation here but I think the important thing to keep in mind is that there is nothing in Jim's character that invites sympathy for Nazis. He's just a dude talking shit about video games.
edit:
Totally disagree about the $99 3DS. There's a ready and widely available alternative for that: a full priced model. Nintendo doesn't owe anyone a bargain.
What's wrong with this?
Unless you are working retail that deals with this mess, you have no idea how much misplaced rage and shit I've gotten since this thing's announcement > no pre-orders > launch > to today.
Jim is not a "blowhard" but you're sure sounding like one. Besides Jim does not make any money from his JQ videos anyways, they are all ad-free.
Tallshortman
Member
The TN/IPS 3DS thing is literally insane. I came across it for they first time when I looked into buying a N3DS this weekend and it blew my mind. That's there kind of shit you might see from some knockoff hardware market, not a household name.
I don't know how Nintendo apparently still hasn't fully figured out the hardware side.
I don't know how Nintendo apparently still hasn't fully figured out the hardware side.
SpiceMelange
Member
The point is to whip up the Nintendo brand into public perception that it's sought after for the incoming Switch launch, to recreate the Wii frenzy. The whole "it's dumb to limit NES supply because they don't make as much money than if they'd meet demand" is irrelevant because the point of the NES classic is to drum up the incoming real money-maker.
Public perception for the actual console release in a few months. The NES classic is a 20$ sacrificial goat to the marketing and brand gods.
Here's a summary of your posts "i'm a blind Nintendo loyalist who will eat up anything they say and think they can never ever do wrong no matter what"
Linkstrikesback
Member
Nostremitus
Member
But you make me want to.
Discussing the creator of a video that a thread is about is on topic and a completely reasonable thing to discuss as long as the discussion isn't attacking the person for their gender identity, race, religion, etc.
Nothing wrong with criticism over the way a person chooses to present information.
At least hes on topic. Youre literally just getting mad and petty now.
And hes right, everyone has no evidence except" what if" hypotheticals but then are calling us fanboys for not agreeing. Thats just not even how business works.
If someone was in here saying 9/11 was an inside job and theres no evidence but "COME ON WAKE UP they could have done it for the oil! It would make sense!"
Its just a load of emotionally charged illogical assumptions. You guys care. Thats why youre invested in beleieving there has to be some ulterior explanation
Same. He's too old to make rant videos without being embarrassing.
I'm kind of hoping the Switch fails, at this point I don't think Nintendo deserves success anymore.
and most of the people bitching about Nintendo in those threads would buy the fuck out of an NES classic as soon as it became available
All the angry parents who went to wal mart to find out it's sold out are calling them every day asking for a stock update
Buzz is buzz
Professor Beef
Banned
You'll last long with that attitude.
Corronchilejano
Member
The point is that Jim Fucking Sterling Son gets absolutely nothing from you clicking (or not clicking) one of his videos.
You're not a fanboy at all.
Nostremitus
Member
I don't have an argument about what he's saying. He's right. That doesn't change the fact that his persona is embarrassingly cringe inducing.
It's certainly better then any of your rebuttals. Which largely boil down to "i'm right and anyone who disagrees with me in spite of factual evidence is wrong!"
"Buzz" is not worth losing out on profits. At least not so "duh they did it for the buzz" as some are saying... Meeting demand would not mean there is no buzz, it would also create buzz... Arguably more than an artifical scarcity ever could