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What kind of overpowered bullshit makes someone roll infinitely upon a half swing?
Who taught her that?
So fucking unearned
guys I've found the perfect gif for contemporary star wars threads on gaf
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me in any star wars thread
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Pretty much
Every SW thread is guaranteed to devolve into:
1. Prequels were not dogshit, but underrated classics.
2. The Force Awakens was a shit film because uninformed reasons.
3. The OT isn't as good as people remember and Star Wars sucks anyway.
4. Rey is a Mary Sue because person making claim forgot how Luke and Anakin went and also forgot how The Force works
For everyone complaining: yall forgetting treverrow was directing IX two weeks ago.
We need to see TLJ before we start making claims of how they need to handle Leia.They need a time skip between TLJ and IX if Leia is to die off-screen.
Such a safe and compliant vegetable.id rather have had a potato directing
Really, we need a risky vegetableSuch a safe and compliant vegetable.
Such a safe and compliant vegetable.
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It's a good deflection because it's the status quo for the series. Anakin doesn't get a pass for it, but he certainly didn't see nearly as much hate for it as Rey gets. It sure as hell isn't because her acting versus his.Why is the Mary Sue deflection always, "but Luke and Anakin tho!"
Oh shit!Didn't he just die?
Well yeah it was long ago. Today's world is more nitpicky. Nitpicking oldies isn't fun.It's a good deflection because it's the status quo for the series. Anakin doesn't get a pass for it, but he certainly didn't see nearly as much hate for it as Rey gets. It sure as hell isn't because her acting versus his.
It's a good deflection because it's the status quo for the series. Anakin doesn't get a pass for it, but he certainly didn't see nearly as much hate for it as Rey gets. It sure as hell isn't because her acting versus his.
Why is the Mary Sue deflection always, "but Luke and Anakin tho!"
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However, I will say that the intensity and fervor at which the Mary Sue critique came this time around was way higher, probably in part due to GG/alt-right types, who signal boosted it.
It was a decade.Well yeah it was long ago. Today's world is more nitpicky. Nitpicking oldies isn't fun.
Yea I addressed that. SW has been "Boy/Girl wonder saves the day with unnatural potential!" since day one, and that has been a (much smaller) critique in the past. The alt-right/GG people boosted it.It's a good deflection because it's the status quo for the series. Anakin doesn't get a pass for it, but he certainly didn't see nearly as much hate for it as Rey gets. It sure as hell isn't because her acting versus his.
Haha, wasn't much of a question, because i totally understand the situation. I just wish people could talk about the merit of the argument, even while acknowledging that it didn't arise out of good faith.I think you answered your own question here!
For the prequels, sure. They just had more bad than mary sue. People shouls be lucky that tinges of that writibg is what people criticize the movie for.It was a decade.
I think the term came back hard (at least that I know of) when Sword Art Online got huge, and a very popular anime reviewer, Gigguk, ripped it to pieces by invoking the term Gary Stu.And the critique against Anakin certainly wasn't gendered. Most people didn't even have the term "Mary Sue" in their vernacular until it was lazily applied to Rey by some guy.
Well yeah it was long ago. Today's world is more nitpicky. Nitpicking oldies isn't fun.
Why is the Mary Sue deflection always, "but Luke and Anakin tho!"
No shit, they were both too perfect and poorly fleshed out characters in their films. Luke and Anakin are Gary Stu incarnate. Anakin is literally Space Jesus, and Luke is the even more powerful son of Space Jesus.
Luke gets away with it because "holy shit, did you see those crazy 'light sabers'?!' and the novelty of Star Wars at the time. Anakin definitely didn't get a pass. Anyone who tries to tell you that Anakin didn't catch shit for being Mr. Perfect then immediately evil, with the depth of cardboard, is lying to you.
However, I will say that the intensity and fervor at which the Mary Sue critique came this time around was way higher, probably in part due to GG/alt-right types, who signal boosted it.
I'm trying to think where in EP1 and ANH did Luke or Anakin display major jedi arts.
Right. Back when I read Star Wars threads before TFA, so back when I wasn't a Star Wars fan, none of the most oft-cited criticisms I saw leveled at the prequels was that Anakin was too perfect. It wasn't even a part of RLM's famously quipped breakdown. It just wasn't there.Of all the criticism of the PT, I don't remember a SINGLE CRITICISM that boiled down to "Anakin is a Gary Stu".
Anakin is justified because of midhchlorians!1!!
Did the 'Rey as Mary Sue' shit really start from Max Landis? I'm not sure I knew that.
Man that guy really is the fucking worst
How about when Luke blew up the Death Star with the Force?
I'm trying to think where in EP1 and ANH did Luke or Anakin display major jedi arts.
Luke was running away from shit half the time.
It wasn't until the second movies did either protagonist demonstrate jedi arts.
For Rey it was 1hr and 30 mins in. It wasn't related to anything she knew how to do, like for anakin channeling the force into flying pods. But straight up jedi arts.
Rey certainly autolvld pretty hard.
Her jedi powers on display didn't really feel earned at 1h 30m. But they are changing how the force works so #dealwithit I suppose.
Yup, that's when it really got some traction. It's annoying that such a cool character has so much annoying internet bullshit around it and a good bit is because of him.Did the 'Rey as Mary Sue' shit really start from Max Landis? I'm not sure I knew that.
Man that guy really is the fucking worst
How about when Luke blew up the Death Star with the Force?
That wasn't a jedi art right? That was just concentrating on an ability he already knew and had to pull of an unlikely shot by listening to old man ben.
He channeled the force sure to augment the skills as a pilot he already had.
Like anakin and his pods.
It's not a force persuade.
Hell it's not even limited to this argument.It's a good deflection because it's the status quo for the series. Anakin doesn't get a pass for it, but he certainly didn't see nearly as much hate for it as Rey gets. It sure as hell isn't because her acting versus his.
We made it about a page discussing Episode 9, I guess!
Fits & starts.
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Did the 'Rey as Mary Sue' shit really start from Max Landis? I'm not sure I knew that.
Man that guy really is the fucking worst
How about when Luke blew up the Death Star with the Force?
Hell it's not even limited to this argument.
You have people criticising fucking Wonder Woman for being a mary-sue while literally ignoring the entire superhero archetype
Please.I'm trying to think where in EP1 and ANH did Luke or Anakin display major jedi arts.
That wasn't a jedi art right? That was just concentrating on an ability he already knew and had to pull of an unlikely shot by listening to old man ben.
He channeled the force sure to augment the skills as a pilot he already had.
Like anakin and his pods.
It's not a force persuade.
We made it about a page discussing Episode 9, I guess!
Fits & starts.
ANYWAY
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He used the force to guide the proton torpedo into the exhaust port. Like that's literally what happens. Obi-Wan says "Use the Force" and then he uses the force.
Here's a good thread on your fav moment too that also touches on this.
AyupObviously this isn't applicable to every person who doesn't like TFA, but by and large the complaints I've seen with TFA who were fans of the OT are some of the same reasons why I wasn't a fan of Star Wars before TFA. Lemme explain. I wasn't a fan of Star Wars until 2015. Rey turned me into a fan of Star Wars, and by proxy, so did The Force Awakens. I feel like I finally got Star Wars. I understood it now. So when I went to watch the OT again, I enjoyed it more.
I've said previously in this thread that most of the criticisms here leveled at TFA can be attributed to the OT. An experienced Force user with decades of training and combat beat by a relative newcomer due to conflicted feelings he had during the fight? We got that in RotJ. Plot points in the movie that don't make much sense when you get down to it? We got that in ESB. A newcomer who learns about the Force in the movie and later on does some spectacular things with it? We got that in ANH.
The behavior I'm seeing with a lot of criticisms leveled at TFA strike me as those that only make sense under the context that it isn't the OT. That's it. (Well, that, or, it's because Rey has a vag.)
The pod scene is also Anakin using his natural ability with the force to guide him through a race that even highly trained pilots can't completely navigate.What do you think is happening in that scene? The whole point is that the target computers are unreliable guides in getting the torpedoes into the exhaust port, so Luke has to literally *use the Force* to get the shot in.
This is a force power. Says so right in the force section of the Player's Handbookthe force was helping him anticipate turns and such
Err, you can use the same characters without making scene for scene recreations from another movie. Also, Leia wasn't a main character of A New Hope now??