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Kristi Leskinen " No gamer in the world deserves an X-games Gold Medal"
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Archery under the Compound Bow category is an upper torso killer. Did the sports myself for a couple years and training an average of 300 shots per day really isn't for the average person with untrained back/arm muscles.
You just simply can't pull the string starting at ~70lbs of tension force on the string. My bow is set for 115lbs. (52 kgs)
On top of that, stay quiet and don't shake.
I agree with her, it's offensive for actual athletes. Like calling DJ's musicians who don't know music for real and just fool around with switches in music software.
There are plenty of competitions that aren't sport or athletic related though.
CountAntonius
Member
I always preferred Competitive Gaming to E-Sports but one was much more marketable than the other and won out. I am all for an E-Sports Olympics type event but I don't see the need whatsoever to need to mix in with physical sports. It's not the same audience. I blame the companies on both ends trying to make money off associations from one another and causing all kinds of backlash for something that has no need to co exist under the same roof.
Why Halo 5?
Why the X-Games?
Why does nothing about this situation make any sense?
Microsoft paid for it, that's the long and short of it.
I would watch that
The integration of e-sports into the world of regular sports is weird. Why is that at the X-Games? E-sports as a whole is a necessity that was bound to happen and I even think the title is appropriate, but nah, they shouldn't win medals at the same event people risk their lives doing tricks at.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't think anyone is arguing that there shouldn't be video game competitions. But even with the money and audience, they're not sports. And it doesn't really make any sense to include them at events that are supposed to be about sports.
cyber_ninja
Member
I agree with you. As for those so called gamers calling her the salty one on her twitter need to shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing gaming community.
It was the best of times.
MikeE21286
Member
I am not against the idea of winning medals for gaming, but I don't really feel like gaming is part of that type of sports.
Games don't need to try and incorporate themselves with other established competitions to gain legitimacy.
It feels forced, just my opinion.
Games don't need to try and incorporate themselves with other established competitions to gain legitimacy.
It feels forced, just my opinion.
CountAntonius
Member
Blame X-games and it's failing viewership for that decision. It was purely to capture the young e-sports/twitch crowd.
JumpCancel
Banned
X-Games is alright. If we started getting Video Game "athletes" at the Olympic Games that's where I'd draw the line.
There's probably more than enough overlap to consider them in the same realm, even if they aren't the same thing. And overlap in terms of money and audience, not anything else.
I understand that but it doesn't make her wrong. It'll be just as dumb as having poker at the X-Games.
davonaytor
Member
What about a gamer who competes in the X-Games, and wins the gold medal? Does that gamer deserve an X-Games gold medal?
Mammoth Jones
Member
I don't think athletic sports and e-sports should be conducted together at the same event.
They're just vastly different things.
They're just vastly different things.
SolidSnakex
Member
Sure, but as someone else brought up, with bullshit like Dressage being in the Olympics, they won't have much of a leg to stand on. With that said, Dressage is a very specific thing that's been around forever. e-Sports covers a wide variety of games that change all the time. At one time Starcraft was the big e-Sports, now it's dying. MOBA's have since taken its place. But how long will that last? The earliest that e-Sports could make it into the Summer Olympics would be 2024 since the small list of possible new sports for 2020 are already out. By then will MOBA's still hold the position they do? Just that fact will make it hard for e-Sports to ever make it into the Olympics. If you look at any other Olympic sport the event is very specific with clear rules that rarely change in any way. That's not the case when you talk about e-Sports.
Killer Queen
Banned
She's right.
stan423321
Member
I am absolutely fine with you watching all curling you want (and yes, to me it seems more interesting to watch than Halo 5 or 80% of soccer). I'm just trying to show how senseless the "video games don't conform to sports definition" argument is without an arbitrary definition of video games, sports, or physical exertion that everybody agrees upon, heck, in a world where you can simply challenge the definition and half the people will say that's right.
It screws up someone's taxes that carrot marmalade is made of carrot the vegetable? Don't worry, we'll put in that tax bill that carrot shall be considered a fruit. No one but mathematicians and such cares about definition based arguments anymore. If the X-Games (or whatever) staff wants Halo 5 to be a sport for their purposes, they'll override the definition. Or, if they're pleasant enough, will come up with their own word for what they're rewarding. It's as simple as that.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
The thing is, its formed itself from a consumer based product. You could say we had professionals since the days of Billy Mitchell, but they aren't necessarily asking for Olympic status. Sports on the other hand was born from physical activities and getting people active, thus they're probably strict on what is and what is not a sport. "Sport Games" is two words, "Sports" and "Games". Study sports and that's all you see in conjunction with the two. I didn't hear a single word about eSports when I took a college class on Sociology of Sports. They didn't even go into the license issue with all the different club houses out there. Video Games are seen as ways of entertaining us or getting our kids to become obese. There's still people out there who have issues with violence in video games, so you have another issue. It's a demographic of a demographic in terms of the world of eSports. To enjoy most games in eSports you agree to a lot of the content that's being shown on the screen. Then you're fighting the issue of rather or not people should spend so much time playing the game. Then after all that is sorta considered then you'll look at the real competition and what the game was created for to begin with.
The thing about a lot of us is that we already accept all those checkpoints on that list. We accept the content, the reason for it to be fun or entertaining, and then there's why competition exists in the first place. We understand everything but another organization or person who doesn't see it the way we do. To me, it's challenging.
You have physical sports that involve hitting and so forth. People accept those as being a real sport (eg: football, boxing, etc). They might not see the FPS with a gun as being something better than it already is. In fact, there's a demographic out there who think we shouldn't have video games with guns.
That pretty much nails it. Companies shouldnt be trying to enter the normal sports tournaments/competitions for the reason of expanding coverage of esports to get them more recognized, they are already surpassing normal sports in viewership anyway.
They should just be making their own tournaments instead of invading the more traditional sport tournaments like x-games or even the olympics (when it happens). Lets face it esports focus on dexterity, focus and strategy and while that does cover some sports out there, in a traditional athletes minds it will never be the same because all they see when they look at esports is someone sitting in a chair playing a game and making it look easy in that competive environment.
Hell as someone that loves rugby, cricket and soccer(football), I consider them competitions not sports and yes I watch dota2 and LoL tournaments with just as much respect as the sports I like listed. They are two different things and whoever coined esports was a fucking moron, but it stuck because it sounded better then the alternatives like e-championships or e-tournaments.
...its all fucking marketings fault.
WordsintheWater
Member
IceBringer
Banned
Video games aren't physical. At all. Pressing buttons isn't physical. Should we have speed typing as a sport too?
And you can argue about curling all you want. Curling is more of a sport and way more athletic than video games anyway.
Osu 16 Bit
Member
Execution in a fighting game isn't much of a physical skill, it's more of a mental skill. I mean you manipulate the buttons with your fingers but the skill is in mental process not physical exertion.
Couldn't speak on Curling.
boredandlazy
Member
This is actually a pretty big hurdle to all forms of organised eSports. The people making games always want to push the latest and greatest but that flies in the face of everything organised competition at a high level is about. Even patching an existing game is fraught with danger in that regard. It's why I don't think you'd ever see something like the official Pokemon World Championships taken seriously, the format changes literally every year to keep the meta from settling.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Did she also take issue with the other X games video game events from the past?
MLG Call of Duty X Games Championship
MLG Counter Strike: Global Offensive X Games Championship
MLG Call of Duty X Games Championship
MLG Counter Strike: Global Offensive X Games Championship
We've crossed the barrier where eSports are considered a real business that's both making good money now and has a lot of growth potential in the future.
You're going to get a lot of culture clashing over time as they onboard onto physical sporting events and networks.
If chess tournaments and the like were notably successful, they would probably onboard over there, but they're not so it's the more traditional sports venues where they're going to show up.
You're going to get a lot of culture clashing over time as they onboard onto physical sporting events and networks.
If chess tournaments and the like were notably successful, they would probably onboard over there, but they're not so it's the more traditional sports venues where they're going to show up.
PensivePen
Member
If you can turn it into a marketable event then someone will give you a medal for it.
If eating competitions were more popular I'm sure they'd be at these events too.
Cheat Code
Member
Eating a doughnut = fighting a doughnut = competition with a doughnut.
Eating a doughnut is a sport.
Zomba13
Member
You can even be sillier with that. "I bet I can jerk off faster than you" "You're on"
COMPETITION START!
Thus the noble sport of jerking off began.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, I agree with her as well. It just doesn't fit
Cheat Code
Member
No I mean just eating a doughnut. By yourself. In a darkened room with some mood music.
EvilKatarn
Member
Osu 16 Bit
Member
That isn't really the case though. Her other tweets say gamers deserve their own medals and respect, similar to how an actor can win the academy award.
Everyone agrees gaming is a competition. It just isn't a sport IMO and definitely isn't an action sport like the X-Games.