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Merely talking about racism isn't harmful. Why do people think that it is?
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theignoramus
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No it isnt. The Right has made racially charged dialogue an entire industry that theyve raked in tens of millions in profits from, what world do you live in?
40 soon, I grew up on a council estate, where lots of small men think they're big by bullying their wives. My mother brought me up not to allow that, and not to put up with bullies. I'm just a normal working class guy, something that most of Gaf fail to understand.
I'm sure the ones that don't are lovelyLil'DigiOp
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Not knowing you're racist is the new racism.
He isn't coming back
I apologize to Heroman and Deepwater - I'm not ignoring you, I just don't think I should quote everyone lol
I don't think you are wrong, but I think that's moving towards a different discussion. Does *all* racism need to be focused on the actions of white people? Does their privilege have to be at the root of all discussions? I think it's its own topic.
Maybe I'm simply not getting it, or maybe I'm just not able to get my point across. Or maybe I'm just stubborn, but I don't want to be. I do read everyone's reply towards me and I do try to understand it - and by and large, I agree with all of what you've all said. However, When someone tells me "let's talk about racism", I want to hear about the Mexican dude that called a black person the N word, or the other way around where a black person calls all hispanics beaners. Or how we're all hating on Asians because we think they're racist towards all but white people because of stereotypes. Sure, I will also want to hear about how a white person is racist even if they don't really mean it - if we want to talk about racism in general, all parties need to be called out on their BS, and hopefully have a discussion on what can be done by everyone to make it better.
White privilege and racism is important for sure, but it's exhausting to see it at the forefront of every discussion, like it's the only thing that exists, while everything else gets ignored.
Also, it isn't only white people that are fragile. Plenty of people from all races get all defensive and hurt / mad when you bring up how people from their race are also racists. I think that's just human nature though, to not want to confront the ugly side of you.
I don't think you are wrong, but I think that's moving towards a different discussion. Does *all* racism need to be focused on the actions of white people? Does their privilege have to be at the root of all discussions? I think it's its own topic.
Maybe I'm simply not getting it, or maybe I'm just not able to get my point across. Or maybe I'm just stubborn, but I don't want to be. I do read everyone's reply towards me and I do try to understand it - and by and large, I agree with all of what you've all said. However, When someone tells me "let's talk about racism", I want to hear about the Mexican dude that called a black person the N word, or the other way around where a black person calls all hispanics beaners. Or how we're all hating on Asians because we think they're racist towards all but white people because of stereotypes. Sure, I will also want to hear about how a white person is racist even if they don't really mean it - if we want to talk about racism in general, all parties need to be called out on their BS, and hopefully have a discussion on what can be done by everyone to make it better.
White privilege and racism is important for sure, but it's exhausting to see it at the forefront of every discussion, like it's the only thing that exists, while everything else gets ignored.
Also, it isn't only white people that are fragile. Plenty of people from all races get all defensive and hurt / mad when you bring up how people from their race are also racists. I think that's just human nature though, to not want to confront the ugly side of you.
AgentP
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Just hang around Gaf a bit...
I'm being very honest and sincere here. I don't think you are really taking the time to read what people are replying to you and giving it time to digest. MH literally spelled out for you why this discussion of institutional racism is so important, how it effects other kinds of racism and the need for tackling that first and you basically just dismissed everything and then asked the question again that he just answered and you dismissed with no discussion.
Understanding why and how institutionalized racism from shit racists from years ago has effected that entire subculture of humans and placed them in generations of systemic poverty. Our social safety net has failed a huge group of people, and the "otherness" between blacks and whites is just a fact.
Which sucks, because people can't wrap their heads around it and were never taught in school and the government has failed so long that it's history. So instead the Occam's razor is "oh well [differnt colored member of my species] is inherently more crime prone/good at sports/whatever else.
Like people in our country could essentially be living on two completely different planets. People have been mistreated so fucking long that it's just been fact for generations.
I avoid speaking on racial issues because I cannot speak eleoquently about this subject. I've studied it, I *get* it, but I sometimes don't word things well when I speak off the cuff, so I unintentionally drop things that are worded in a potentially problematic way. I'm going to get better about speaking on racial issues, though, because I'm going to politely force Black Boy into the ELA curriculum of whatever school I wind up teaching at.
Its a damn good read. Can't recommend it enough.
Which sucks, because people can't wrap their heads around it and were never taught in school and the government has failed so long that it's history. So instead the Occam's razor is "oh well [differnt colored member of my species] is inherently more crime prone/good at sports/whatever else.
Like people in our country could essentially be living on two completely different planets. People have been mistreated so fucking long that it's just been fact for generations.
I avoid speaking on racial issues because I cannot speak eleoquently about this subject. I've studied it, I *get* it, but I sometimes don't word things well when I speak off the cuff, so I unintentionally drop things that are worded in a potentially problematic way. I'm going to get better about speaking on racial issues, though, because I'm going to politely force Black Boy into the ELA curriculum of whatever school I wind up teaching at.
Its a damn good read. Can't recommend it enough.
KoopaTheCasual
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If we were equal then that talked would be a thing but we are no equal.
The Faceless Master
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the only thing that will stop systemic racism is their own communities. except their own communities aren't beating them up. instead they say that's not really racist etc...
Perhaps you're right. So I'll respectfully bow out and let others continue on with the thread.
HallucinatingElvis
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Oops Ami shows and stumps calls me out, solid gold. That's the incorrect translation. The left has gone completely fucking haywire, you've seriously gone off the deep end over the last couple years. Your push to shame people, to humiliate them simply because they go against what you all have decided is right, is rediculous, it only serves to strengthen the resolve of those of us that have chosen to break from your side and further the disdain and hatred from those that were never on your side.
Push harder, continue to to be a bunch nasty fucking children and you'll never get what you want.
And Ami get of your fucking soapbox, and stop thinking you get to ever take the moral high ground, I've been around long enough to know you're​ a disgusting human.
Hypocritical twats.
The OP does not match the title. Societal racism and labeling racists are two different topics. Being quick to label someone a racist is not only an immature reaction, it can be actively detrimental to combating societal racism. Words have power! And there's a lot of hubris involved with the practice of casually labeling people.
And before someone bites my head off, yes, there are a lot of blatant racists out there these days, including America's President.
And before someone bites my head off, yes, there are a lot of blatant racists out there these days, including America's President.
See it funny how you don't provide examples of how the left has made everything rasict while at same time crying about it. If you are going to play I'm the victim card at least give explain how that goes beyond the liberals made me.
Oh shit
Well whaddya know
I guess not everyone has a self-preservation instinct
cry some more. wallow in your self-hatred and racism and bigotry. coward.
Lovely meltdown. I give it a 9.5/10.
hey man, he was on our side until he got offended for being exposed as ignorant. it's not his fault he's awful, it's ours.
shadowsdarknes
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Aside from very racist people obviously not wanting to be called out on racism, there's a couple of reasons why the everyday white person is uncomfortable talking about race.
-A naive belief of a level playing field. So they apply seemingly simple logic of, "Why can't we have a White Student Union?" Or "How come nothing insults me yet everyone else seemingly gets upset about stuff?"
-People have a hard time observing how generations of mistreatment in the past has anything to do with conditions today.
Even for people who try to treat everyone with respect, they have a hard time understanding why race relations are still such an important topic today.
It's a topic that many people simply don't understand. So when you mention racism, they have a hard time relating. Which is often rationalized as being divisive, unfair, or over-exaggerated.
While I'm sure many PoC are sick of trying to explain themselves to white people, I'm not particularly surprised people still don't understand it.
-A naive belief of a level playing field. So they apply seemingly simple logic of, "Why can't we have a White Student Union?" Or "How come nothing insults me yet everyone else seemingly gets upset about stuff?"
-People have a hard time observing how generations of mistreatment in the past has anything to do with conditions today.
Even for people who try to treat everyone with respect, they have a hard time understanding why race relations are still such an important topic today.
It's a topic that many people simply don't understand. So when you mention racism, they have a hard time relating. Which is often rationalized as being divisive, unfair, or over-exaggerated.
While I'm sure many PoC are sick of trying to explain themselves to white people, I'm not particularly surprised people still don't understand it.
fucking snowflakes abound.
I hate Minorities because people were mean to be on the Internet is probably the most pathetic excuse for racism ever.Thread about racism
"Racism would be over if not for the Left"
Humors and asks for examples
"Fuck you, I am racist now because you keep talking racism"
Eh, we're not at porcelain levels like we've been in the past.
Some folks still seem pretty easily chipped, though.
You just hate HallucinatingElvis for being white and stealing rock n roll.
Shit you're right. That's not even close to being the craziest rant about Amir0x. 6.5/10
HallucinatingElvis can't even meltdown properly.
Just looking for an excuse to feel better about
Talking about racism must have time travel powers, racism was here before there was even a country. Ask the native americans
muh, rocknroll!!!!!
when democrats invented identity politics, lol
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