Just did this. That's really cool they made a cutscene for this.Go to Mother Base if you're still in the red!
Sorry dudes. I'll get more dough.
Just did this. That's really cool they made a cutscene for this.Go to Mother Base if you're still in the red!
That is absolutely false.
You have to play side-ops to progress the story in chapter 2.
Game is full of issues. By Mission 20, I hated it. But after Mission 45, I was devastated. I was also wrong. It's fantastic. Who could do better melding MGS, GTA and FarCry?
Whoooooooooooooooooooo?!?!?!
If Kojima would have put some GTA into it we wouldn't have this MB thing but only all the story relevant NPCs who gave you missions ON the map in Afghanistan and Africa, which i would have loved more. But still a great game.
Think I played 75 hours of mgsv, then I had to watch the real ending on youtube....it honestly soured the whole experience for me and I'd rate it bottom of the franchise
Well, as far as Big Boss' MGS games go, it sort of was his ending game haha.True however in my opinion Peace Walker should have been the legit ending, it ended so well and made sense for Snake's "turn"
V felt like the story of how BB and Kaz drifted apart.True however in my opinion Peace Walker should have been the legit ending, it ended so well and made sense for Snake's "turn"
Its amazing how many people seem to forget BB's actions in MGSV. The guy, is willing to have countless innocent people die just so he can save his ass.
In GZ, when Kaz first says that Paz is alive, Big Boss' initial response is "So what's the plan, silence her before we're compromised?"
Its amazing how many people seem to forget BB's actions in MGSV. The guy, is willing to have countless innocent people die just so he can save his ass.
What he does to V is also appalling, even though he didnt start it, he very much agreed into it without much hesitation.
Then after V finds out the truth, he again is called upon to pretty much sacrifice his life in order for Big Boss to save his ass once again.
If you ask me, BB is a pretty dark bastard in MGSV. Just because it is not thrown directly in your face, that doesnt mean that his actions are unaccountable or something...
Hospital scene. Countless innocent bystanders got gunned down as a distraction so he and Venom Snake could escape. And it's no coincidence. One of the truth tapes revealed that the patients were there as shield for them.When did he have countless innocent people die?
V felt like the story of how BB and Kaz drifted apart.
When did he have countless innocent people die?
Apart from the Hospital scene and whoever was gunned down in clean up ops hunting for Big Boss, you must realize that for Big Boss, V, the entire staff of Mother Base, are all expendables. So long as he stays in the clear and he is thought to be V, his plan is working.
So, basically BB is ready and willing to sacrifice all these people and he uses them as a distraction.
Thats pretty darn evil if you ask me, and he does that again with V and the Outer Heaven staff in Metal Gear events. He is pure evil and there is nothing heroic about him any more. He went on to be a part of futile stupid war, just like he explains in the epilogue of MGS4.
MGSV pretty much establishes him as an asshole and Venom Snake is pivotal for understanding the dark place BB is in.
Your line of reasoning is pretty sound but "pure evil" is a pretty big exaggeration. I don't think they ever quite left anyone in the series in that category, just about everyone had reasons for what they did, especially Boss.
He certainly wasn't heroic at that point though and it's totally inaccurate for people to try to act like the Outer Heaven/Zanzibar Land incidents are out of character for him post MGSV.
But it is evil. Ok remove the pure part, maybe that's too much I agree.
But he is nonetheless evil at that point. All his ideals about soldiers are thrown out the window just so he can escape and continue his war against Zero. Also, what he does to V is simply horrible. He destroys whatever this person was completely. Yes he was not the one to start this process, or even the one who thought about it, but he was on board the moment it was explained to him. His only worry was whether this plan will work... at no point was he interested about what the medic was put through... or what will happen to the person he was. Same for all the innocent people at the hospital who were there just to act as bullet sponges for him.
Its all evil really.
But it is evil. Ok remove the pure part, maybe that's too much I agree.
But he is nonetheless evil at that point. All his ideals about soldiers are thrown out the window just so he can escape and continue his war against Zero. Also, what he does to V is simply horrible. He destroys whatever this person was completely. Yes he was not the one to start this process, or even the one who thought about it, but he was on board the moment it was explained to him. His only worry was whether this plan will work... at no point was he interested about what the medic was put through... or what will happen to the person he was. Same for all the innocent people at the hospital who were there just to act as bullet sponges for him.
Its all evil really.
Still the most important aspect to me in regards to BB's character is the parallel between him and the US government.
In MGS3 the US used their best soldier The Boss to take the fall for them. Big Boss hated them for this.
However, in 5.We can see his ideals have changed because he uses V in the exact same way from behind the scenes. He's a hypocrite.
Now I'd like to shift the focus from Big Boss for a sec and bring up perhaps the only character who can be termed pure evil in the series. Colonel Volgin. Not only does he kill anyone he believes betrayed him, he seems to enjoy torture and even murdered his own men just to start an international conflict when he launched the missile. What do you guys think?Your line of reasoning is pretty sound but "pure evil" is a pretty big exaggeration. I don't think they ever quite left anyone in the series in that category, just about everyone had reasons for what they did, especially Boss.
He certainly wasn't heroic at that point though and it's totally inaccurate for people to try to act like the Outer Heaven/Zanzibar Land incidents are out of character for him post MGSV.
Now I'd like to shift the focus from Big Boss for a sec and bring up perhaps the only character who can be termed pure evil in the series. Colonel Volgin. Not only does he kill anyone he believes betrayed him, he seems to enjoy torture and even murdered his own men just to start an international conflict when he launched the missile. What do you guys think?
Yep. While Liquid can be snobbish and even heartless, at least we can understand why he behaves this way. Volgin just straight up murders and tortures people for no apparent reason, LOL.Definitely. This guy truly deserves the term like no one else in MGS universe. (i havent played Rising though and I dont think I ever will).
Its amazing how many people seem to forget BB's actions in MGSV. The guy, is willing to have countless innocent people die just so he can save his ass.
What he does to V is also appalling, even though he didnt start it, he very much agreed into it without much hesitation.
Then after V finds out the truth, he again is called upon to pretty much sacrifice his life in order for Big Boss to save his ass once again.
If you ask me, BB is a pretty dark bastard in MGSV. Just because it is not thrown directly in your face, that doesnt mean that his actions are unaccountable or something...
Apart from the Hospital scene and whoever was gunned down in clean up ops hunting for Big Boss, you must realize that for Big Boss, V, the entire staff of Mother Base, are all expendables. So long as he stays in the clear and he is thought to be V, his plan is working.
So, basically BB is ready and willing to sacrifice all these people and he uses them as a distraction. Edit: And you have to see the irony here... BB being all about soldiers finding a place to call home, not being manipulated by governments, only for him to use, to deceive and to manipulate them in the same manner...
Thats pretty darn evil if you ask me, and he does that again with V and the Outer Heaven staff in Metal Gear events. He is pure evil and there is nothing heroic about him any more. He went on to be a part of futile stupid war, in hopes of realizing his interpretation of the Boss's Will, just like he explains in the epilogue of MGS4.
MGSV pretty much establishes him as an asshole and Venom Snake is pivotal for understanding the dark place BB is in.
If Chapter 3 really was in there, wouldn't someone have already gotten to it through an exploit rather than wait for an event that will most likely never happen?
If Chapter 3 really was in there, wouldn't someone have already gotten to it through an exploit rather than wait for an event that will most likely never happen?
You're reaching pretty damn hard to justify Big Boss's sudden heel turn. None of the "Big Boss doesn't care and now thinks his soldiers are expendable" shit makes any sense, especially when Ground Zeroes has him so distraught over a a soldier dying in his arms that he screams and charges in to shoot more enemies out of anger. Hell, he lands his helicopter to save whoever he can, Kaz included. Sure, somewhere between Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain, he turned into an asshole, but we didn't actually get to see that. We never saw "men becoming demons". It just suddenly happened off-screen.
You're reaching pretty damn hard to justify Big Boss's sudden heel turn. None of the "Big Boss doesn't care and now thinks his soldiers are expendable" shit makes any sense, especially when Ground Zeroes has him so distraught over a a soldier dying in his arms that he screams and charges in to shoot more enemies out of anger. Hell, he lands his helicopter to save whoever he can, Kaz included. Sure, somewhere between Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain, he turned into an asshole, but we didn't actually get to see that. We never saw "men becoming demons". It just suddenly happened off-screen.
Still the most important aspect to me in regards to BB's character is the parallel between him and the US government.
In MGS3 the US used their best soldier The Boss to take the fall for them. Big Boss hated them for this.
However, in 5.We can see his ideals have changed because he uses V in the exact same way from behind the scenes. He's a hypocrite.
We never saw "men becoming demons". It just suddenly happened off-screen.
The Phantom Pain isn't afraid to hurt your gameplay, it will literally kill your staff you've spent hours building when a virus breaks out. You can attempt to identify the cause, and treat it. But the only way to cure it, is by continuing the story. This is great, because the things you value, you have built, are being hurt. It effects you the player, not just Big Boss the character. This idea really comes to fruition later in the game, when you have to personally execute staff members when another viral outbreak takes place. In a scene opposite of the hospital escape, in the only other linear episode in the whole game. You are now the executioner. It was one of the most intriguing things I've seen a game do in regards to connecting its mechanical world with its narrative world, and just after that mission, the game goes one step further
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That's the thing that makes The Phantom Pain one of the best games I have ever played. It truly shows off Hideo growing as an excellent creative designer. MGSV is the closest he has came to capturing this idea he has envisioned ever since Metal Gears creation 20+ years ago. MGSV is the first time he has truly let the mechanics and narrative gel together, to let you the player dictate it, and to be imprisoned by it. MGSV is one of the most consistently designed games I have ever seen, everything mechanically is relevant to the narrative, and the narrative is mechanically relevant to the player. Hell, even the ending that everyone likes to take so literally, is tying its mechanical and narrative theme together. You get Big Boss' identity, and Big Boss gets yours. He thanks you the player for always being there, you deny your identity, you aren't you when play this game. You are Punished "Venom" Snake, a phantom of Big Boss. You quite literally live his identity through everything you do mechanically. There's so much beauty in its notion, so many ways that it speaks to you the player.
The best gameplay of series.
If the "heel turn" is so sudden what is the deal with the speech at the end of Peace Walker, and why is he keeping nuclear weapons and hiding them.
He may have been distraught over the death of one of his soldiers, but he initially thought using Venom the way he used him was wrong too. Same with having the nuke in Peace Walker.
I know you and a lot of people wanted the game to be about Big Boss but it's pretty hard to ignore all the things they showed us that had him heading down that oarh, even though he was out of sight for most of MGSV.
I still need to continue this game after having bought it Day 1. Never even completed it. There was something about it that just feels... off.
It didn't quite feel like MGS because the story made a huge drop towards the background and that is not something these series is known for.
I absolutely loved the gameplay side of things, though. It felt fluid and fun. Did the game changed in some drastic way with some of the patches? I know the online mode got added.