Honest question. Why do they even bother? Wouldn't it be smarter to just capture the North American audience? I'm no rocket scientist, but I would think the xbox would sell like shit in Asia.or anywhere else that doesn't have 56 states
You realize there's a huge market for luxury items in China, right? There's a whole group that changes their cars every year, like some here do with phones lolAnd I still think thats a totally bad idea. I mean the price of the console and the games is the same as in the US, while they already need a 1 month salary just to buy the console alone.
Sorry, but "no one" will buy it, if they wont change the price of the console and the games...
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-07/06/content_15555503.htm
4672 average Salary in Beijing. I never said "everyone" is earning that much, but the average is like that.
And especially people interested in consoles and gaming are young, so during university they earn almost nothing and after graduation university students start with about 4000-6000, depending on the job of course.
Im just saying MS should at least lower the price of the console and games, otherwise they will fail in a market, thats not that interested in consoles. I would even say the PS4 has more chances thanks to PS+ and the free games they offer thanks to that.
I also wonder that. In most chinese gaming forums people arent really excited about the Xbox One. Most people are playing pirated PC-games or F2P games like LoL, Dota2 and the likes.
Like Japan had?China needs the Phil Spencer effect.
It's especially disrespectful ...Yeah I just saw that and edited my post, 3 days before launch to delay it is crazy....
Interesting turn of events
How is this interesting? Honestly? The xbox sells like garbage everywhere and yet this is interesting? I'm gonna go out out on a limb and say you don't own an xb1(nor want one), and have an iphone in your pocket. If i am wrong I am not sorry.
If you meant it's interesting that they even want to release the console in Asia, then yes it is interesting on why they are wasting their time.
How is this interesting? Honestly? The xbox sells like garbage everywhere and yet this is interesting? I'm gonna go out out on a limb and say you don't own an xb1(nor want one), and have an iphone in your pocket. If i am wrong I am not sorry.
If you meant it's interesting that they even want to release the console in Asia, then yes it is interesting on why they are wasting their time.
You should price a console to the average income there though.
Sorry, here in Germany the average income is about 2000 after taxes. A 400 console is "nothing".
In China where the average is about 4000-6000 RMB, even in big cities, a 4000 RMB console would already use up a 1 month salary.
I can tell you that most Chinese, not being console gamers, would rather buy a PC and download the games than to buy a Xbox One. Thats at least the reception I can see from chinese gaming forums. I dont really see much people interested in the Xbox One. It reminds me of the Xbox reception in Japan.
I work in China and can speak Mandarin fluently, so of course i know that. And german cars here are more expensive than in europe, but built worse.
And cars there are, like in the 60/70s in europe a "status symbol".
They save years just to buy a BMW and they dont want to replace it at all in the future.
I think a console is not one and considering the prices of games will be the same as in the US, I am sure the market is far too small to make good money.
I'm sure the 3 people in line are furious.Calm down mr hypersensitivity. When was the last time a console was delayed 3 days prior to launch and now can't give much specifics as to what might be happening?
I'm sure the 3 people in line are furious.
But it isn't the demand or lack of it that people find interesting. It is a delayed launch 3 days before said launch. I don't care where it is that speaks to things going really wrong behind the scenes and people want to know why.
How is this interesting? Honestly? The xbox sells like garbage everywhere and yet this is interesting? I'm gonna go out out on a limb and say you don't own an xb1(nor want one), and have an iphone in your pocket. If i am wrong I am not sorry.
If you meant it's interesting that they even want to release the console in Asia, then yes it is interesting on why they are wasting their time.
They're probably realizing why they're wasting time launching there in the first place.
Woah, woah, relax there brother. He may have thought it was interesting that it was delayed 3 days before launch? Systems should have been shipped already, especially with time it takes to get through customs to China...
You realize there's a huge market for luxury items in China, right? There's a whole group that changes their cars every year, like some here do with phones lol
This isn't aimed for the average person. We'll see if it works. The iPhone is aimed at the average person in USA, but it is an aspirational item in China.
So are we talking about most gamer is not console gamer or average Chinese income is not the way you think it is? That is 2 different topics.
Foreign manufacturers engage in round tripping of goods they sell into China to save on taxes. That means they are exported and re-imported.Aren't the built in china? Must be a long route from the factories.
Everyone acts like China is poor yet Apple manages to sell 10 million iPhones a quarter there.
Maybe it's the Chinese government as they have been going after American tech companies recently.
Lol Xbones are not luxury items. What are you going to do take it outside on your shoulder boom box style?You realize there's a huge market for luxury items in China, right? There's a whole group that changes their cars every year, like some here do with phones lol
Surely not in China.I love my X1, they need to get a damn boost :/
All that Chinese economic knowledge in this thread. Some one should tweet it at Phill Spencer so he can forward to Microsofts finance division./s
Or can it?A game console won't achieve that kind of effect nor can it be carried around to be shown off.
A Beijinger is not an average person. The average person in China is not getting an iPhone with an average salary.Of course I do that. I know people that save up just to buy a Gucci bag to show off. I kknow there are so many rich people in the country, that spend thousands of dollars on overpriced accessories.
But often these accessories are something to show off.
I cant just say "Hey. I bought an Xbox One. Look at me!"
Actually I know a lot of people in China that have an iPhone that still earn the average salary.
And you can get it cheaper if you import from HK.
If you say it isnt aimed for the average person, then who is it aimed for? Foreigners working there? The "rich elite"?
I just dont see what market they are aiming for, since it is still just a console, not a lifestyle item.
I am talking about if there is a market for the Xbox One there and the average income as well as the preferences of the gamers play a huge part in that I would say.
Im an expert btw
Seriously though. I wish China would support a console and a console would do well in their market, but I dont think the Xbox One will be successfull in doing that.
I love how chairmanchuck is making well thought out posts based on his personal experiences in the country along with factual data and everyone's like "LOL WHAT AN IGNORAMUS."
You should price a console to the average income there though.
Sorry, here in Germany the average income is about 2000 after taxes. A 400 console is "nothing".
In China where the average is about 4000-6000 RMB, even in big cities, a 4000 RMB console would already use up a 1 month salary.
I can tell you that most Chinese, not being console gamers, would rather buy a PC and download the games than to buy a Xbox One. Thats at least the reception I can see from chinese gaming forums. I dont really see much people interested in the Xbox One. It reminds me of the Xbox reception in Japan.
I work in China and can speak Mandarin fluently, so of course i know that. And german cars here are more expensive than in europe, but built worse.
And cars there are, like in the 60/70s in europe a "status symbol".
They save years just to buy a BMW and they dont want to replace it at all in the future.
I think a console is not one and considering the prices of games will be the same as in the US, I am sure the market is far too small to make good money.
A Beijinger is not an average person. The average person in China is not getting an iPhone with an average salary.
If you are talking about 4000 as average in Beijing, why aren't you surprised about them having iPhones that launch at 5500 RMB?
There is a market for putting expensive things in the home (look at the piano market) and a market for expensive gadgets (just look at the popularity of DSLRs which cost the same as iPhones).
i wouldnt be sure about that.
chinese pay premium prices for stuff from europe or the US. if it is interesting for them, they want it and it doesnt matter if its expensive. have a look how many people buy iphones. its incredible. there are so many rich people these days there, ms/apple and whoever is not targeting the average joe there, they clearly know that once you are interesting for the rich elite people, they will buy your shit.
Everyone acts like China is poor yet Apple manages to sell 10 million iPhones a quarter there.
Maybe it's the Chinese government as they have been going after American tech companies recently.
Uh people are so poor in China that they sell their kids for iPhones.
Only a small percent of China can afford anything, which is probably less than 1%.
So much concern over the Xbox One releasing in.... China of all places.
X1 is already out, we already know everything about it, we know how people dislike it, we know that people still are holding on to grudges for some reason that happened at E3 couple years back.
But now people are concerned at this turn of events..... IN CHINA?
Lol.... come on people. It's delayed in China for whatever reason. Big whoop. We already know what the X1 does and how nobody will buy it there anyways.
China big concern news for MS. Lol. Didn't they just say they were trying to stop MS and Windows there or something for whatever reason the Chines had.
I don't think it will do well since it's not a good product. But I don't think his anecdotes are an accurate reflection of the high priced goods market in China. He is familiar with students and new graduates and discusses an average urban income that is 1) old (2013 average is closer to 6000) and 2) brought down by very low income earners. The starting salary for a college graduate at my company's Beijing office is 35,000 RMB/month for instance, and people with good degrees usually are able to start at 10k up. Beijing also has the Silicon Valley of China, with a lot of workers in the tech field. Starting salary at Baidu is 16,000/month, a foreign law firm 20-25k, teaching English 10-12k etc.I love how chairmanchuck is making well thought out posts based on his personal experiences in the country along with factual data and everyone's like "LOL WHAT AN IGNORAMUS."
Or can it?
So much concern over the Xbox One releasing in.... China of all places.
X1 is already out, we already know everything about it, we know how people dislike it, we know that people still are holding on to grudges for some reason that happened at E3 couple years back.
But now people are concerned at this turn of events..... IN CHINA?
Lol.... come on people. It's delayed in China for whatever reason. Big whoop. We already know what the X1 does and how nobody will buy it there anyways.
China big concern news for MS. Lol. Didn't they just say they were trying to stop MS and Windows there or something for whatever reason the Chines had.
But the iPhone is still a lifestyle product in the chinese eyes. An Xbox One is still just a gaming console. And especially one that most of their games wouldnt cater to Chinese. I mean MS needs to build up an almost PC-exclusive country to "accept" consoles.
Its not just like Japan, where they can release "one more console" into the market.
MS is the first one since years to do it again.
A Beijinger is not an average person. The average person in China is not getting an iPhone with an average salary.
If you are talking about 4000 as average in Beijing, why aren't you surprised about them having iPhones that launch at 5500 RMB?
There is a market for putting expensive things in the home (look at the piano market) and a market for expensive gadgets (just look at the popularity of DSLRs which cost the same as iPhones).
You realize there's a huge market for luxury items in China, right? There's a whole group that changes their cars every year, like some here do with phones lol
on the other hand, yeah, china and korea have been for the last 20 years pc-gaming-markets... its hard to actually get into that market. korea has the gaming cafe, so thats why most people would not buy a system for their home. they rarely have this "i invite friends to my home"-culture there. i dont know about china....
The starting salary for a college graduate at my company's Beijing office is 35,000 RMB/month for instance,
It's bigger than bigger.LOL at comparing an Xbox One to a BMW or an iPhone.