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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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As a old timer on GameFAQs... It never reached full insanity.
Elginer
Member
was this posted? Response from Major Nelson
http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/
http://majornelson.com/2013/04/05/official-statement-on-what-was-said-yesterday/
Diablo Rosso
Member
This thread has been one hell of a ride.
valkillmore
Member
I just went back to the OP, and saw all the edits. Absolutely incredible job, shinobi.
For what its worth, I've been glued to this thread all night last night, and all day today. Pure entertainment.
Boss Man
Member
I don't think you are defending the policy, I think you like arguing (I get this bug a lot too so I understand it). In my original post I was arguing that reminding people that something is a rumor only seems worthwhile to remind them that it may not happen, not that rumor = impossible. It's more about intent than definition.
But yeah, semantics is pretty much the only other reason I can imagine. I didn't mean to go all post history stalker on you, I just assumed that you had talked about the next Xbox in this thread without specifying that it's a rumor and thought it would explain my gripe better than arguing about what the word rumor implies.
Imagine...
Imagine the rage that would've consumed the crowd. >:O
Also, if by any chance Microsoft decide to actually incorporate this "always online" requirement in their next console, i'm pretty sure Sony would run them over with "our console is truly for every gamer" marketing.... which is why i doubt Microsoft would actually do this. I mean, if devs and gamers already are going apeshit over this there is no way they could possibly win with that strategy.
Voice of Reason
Banned
E3 is the real fiesta.
It was, and that's a report by him, it's been posted earlier, it's a PR response from Microsoft.
And it's also nothing.
Huge.
Yahoo, NBC, Time, Forbes, IGN, [Insert 40 other sites]...
It's over 9,000.
nintendoman58
Member
So I just skimmed through this entire thread.
Oh this is just hilarious. Looks like the Big 3 are going to lose one of their numbers.
Someone needs to re-create that long-ass post someone made on the FFXIII on 360 thread and replace Sony with Microsoft (along with some other things).
Oh this is just hilarious. Looks like the Big 3 are going to lose one of their numbers.
Someone needs to re-create that long-ass post someone made on the FFXIII on 360 thread and replace Sony with Microsoft (along with some other things).
shinobi602
Member
Oh I know E3 is going to be a shitstorm, I meant this specific thread.
This will be my first E3 on GAF
I will charge head first into the battle. Sword in one hand, Flame Shield in the other
I wasn't able to launch Kinect PlayFit at all yesterday evening due to issue on the Live servers. Good thing I could still play my disc based games though. I'll be "dealing with it" next gen by switching back to PC gaming. I never should have left it in the first place. I still have a good backlog of current and last gen console games that will still work off line as well.
Watch your back son.
dark_prinny
Banned
Thanks for saving me money MS.
Huevos de Oro
Member
Holy shit did this thread go places.
It's been a fun thread, but nobody seriously believes this will have any real impact on MS right?
The unveiling is in a month+ from now and nobody outside of Gaf will remember this.
I'm in the camp of always online <> DRM. SimCity and Diablo III clearly show we are not ready for that and would open them up to a ton of liability
Same here actually. I wish I had started coming here sooner. Much better than that other place that shall not be named (though there are a few select users/topics they create around these times that are solid). Already have had two great experiences in big threads, this one and the ps meeting one (before the event).
Never thought I would actually enjoy reading posts on a message board. Especially when they're talking about something I consider to be bad news.
You know, I have been trying to finish this paper about the Zimmermann Telegram and there is the part about how the British cut the German Atlantic cables.
NO ALWAYS ONLINE FOR YOU! The British said in 1916 yet Microsoft isn't learning from history man.
NO ALWAYS ONLINE FOR YOU! The British said in 1916 yet Microsoft isn't learning from history man.
I am unable to finish the paper because this is still too good. damnit
Was this posted?
bkilian BD3
Playing the game without the disc in the drive. If the amount of whining we see every time a 2 or more disc game gets released is any indication, this is a _huge_ benefit. Heck, as I recall, there was months of whining because you couldn't eject the disc tray remotely.
But let's get serious here for a second. They don't need always-online for DRM. The Steam model uses online activation, and doesn't require always online. So let's get it straight: always-online is not a DRM thing. You can lock down piracy perfectly well with one-time codes and online activation, which only requires a connection the first time you start a game. In fact, that would even work for not requiring the disc in the drive.
Always online is a feature that developers can rely on being there, something they cannot do with a current console, or even PC. Like the hard drive in the PS3, or analog triggers on the controller. Requiring always-online is telling the developer: "Don't be afraid to incorporate features that rely on an internet connection, we will guarantee it is there". Things like a RTS game that uses google maps as it's terrain engine, or persistent online worlds, or integrating an ARG into the gameplay. Consider Ubisoft's Watch_Dogs with a modification of the game phoning your actual phone and interacting with you as if you're in the game world.
It's the next logical step in gaming. We can quibble about whether now is too soon, but it's going to happen regardless, if not this coming generation, the next one.
I think it's very good explained.
bkilian BD3
Playing the game without the disc in the drive. If the amount of whining we see every time a 2 or more disc game gets released is any indication, this is a _huge_ benefit. Heck, as I recall, there was months of whining because you couldn't eject the disc tray remotely.
But let's get serious here for a second. They don't need always-online for DRM. The Steam model uses online activation, and doesn't require always online. So let's get it straight: always-online is not a DRM thing. You can lock down piracy perfectly well with one-time codes and online activation, which only requires a connection the first time you start a game. In fact, that would even work for not requiring the disc in the drive.
Always online is a feature that developers can rely on being there, something they cannot do with a current console, or even PC. Like the hard drive in the PS3, or analog triggers on the controller. Requiring always-online is telling the developer: "Don't be afraid to incorporate features that rely on an internet connection, we will guarantee it is there". Things like a RTS game that uses google maps as it's terrain engine, or persistent online worlds, or integrating an ARG into the gameplay. Consider Ubisoft's Watch_Dogs with a modification of the game phoning your actual phone and interacting with you as if you're in the game world.
It's the next logical step in gaming. We can quibble about whether now is too soon, but it's going to happen regardless, if not this coming generation, the next one.
I think it's very good explained.
The masses will not care. As long as it has flashy features, it will probably sell fine. No dice for me, though.
So everyone knows that Orth and Manveeir Heir are friends right? I know it's a public conversation and that Orth should have remember that, but I think the context changes a bit considering it's two friends giving each other shit.
I am completely against an always-online console, but is anyone here thinking this has been a complete overreaction to the guy's comments?
I am completely against an always-online console, but is anyone here thinking this has been a complete overreaction to the guy's comments?
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
I'll enjoy watching it fail beside the no always-online ps4. Sony worked hard to please gamers and developers; it's time to reap the rewards.
Just imagine if they lost internet connection during their press event.
everyday math
Banned
He wasn't talking to his friend at first. So no it's not.
valkillmore
Member
NO!
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
pure gold
my favourite is
LOL. That is pretty fucking good.
Yes. I think they would have be insane to be watching all of this and not decide they need some sort of offline mode. Absolutely insane.
Raitosaito
Member
What
hgarrett54
Banned
Oh my god. This is amazing.
Boss Man
Member
What would be the benefit of this over download/install exactly? Especially if both of them launch without requiring the process to be completed? It takes away the decision of whether or not to buy discs (since discs won't work at all on the former)?
I guess you don't have to use bandwidth on the initial download. It's disc-based disc-less gaming, which isn't particularly groundbreaking or exciting.
But always-online games already exist on platforms that aren't required to be online.
The "Deal with it" and "Why would I ever live there?" conversation were with Manveer Heir, and everybody seems to be really focusing on those two conversations which seems unfair considering they're friends.
I get the complete opposition and outcry against the always-online, sure that's fine. But the shit this guy is probably getting for a conversation that seems to have largely taken place between two friends (even if it was public, which was stupid) seems like way too much.
You're right, and I agree with everyone's reaction to THOSE comments. I'm a little less "upset" about his conversatiaon with Manveer given the context.
I'm in the PS4 boat mostly because I'm sure most of the features will be US/UK centric but if Microsoft releases an always online model that is $200 cheaper,not needing a fee for MP and plays the same games I would still jump on it...and I be many posting here would as well.
The story is no longer contained in GAF.
He was obviously joking about the geography. But his sentiment (which was directed at no one but his followers and in response to the Kotaku article) is genuine. He is and was defending an anti-consumer philosophy. If he is a bit sweaty and unsettled... good. We need more of that backlash from people like you and I.
Edit: libregkd
eh I dunno. I swipe at people's views all the time on Twitter without actually tweeting at them. Not saying he was or wasn't aiming it at his friend, but... 140 characters. Don't wanna ruin the punchline, and all that. as someone who also probably thinks they're far wittier than they actually are, I empathize with his plight.
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edited for inappropriateness.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Any news if this guy is canned yet?
oh come on. are the personal attacks really necessary? attack the guy's idiotic views, not what he chose as his profile pic.
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about American culture (I'm an expert), but the Xbox Brand and Wal-Mart Supercenters are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Japan where you can become successful by being polite and generous. If you screw someone over in America you bring Big Macs to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that Big Mac is repentance.
What this means is the American public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the next generation Xbox home console, nor will they purchase any of Microsoft's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Microsoft has alienated an entire market with this move.
Microsoft, publicly apologize and cancel 'always online' for the next generation Xbox home console or you can kiss your business goodbye.
good enough? 
IHaveCandy
Banned
A game that used live-google earth data could just run off the old data until you go online again. Sure, maybe you're not getting the truest live data, but you are getting real data.
Watch Dogs could just have that feature while you are connected. Some people may not want grief callers?
See and I agree with this, I should have clarified originally. His original comments to everyone were really stupid, and I absolutely hate his stance on the matter.
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