I mean I assumed that was always the case. Why would activision make an exclusive game. It benefits them in now way. They don't need Sonys money to make games. They've been putting out platinum slop for years. Also when a game is exclusive Sony lets you know it
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Microsoft Studios (& Partners) Current and Future Landscape
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Yea, that's sorta the way it went on 360 too. Started off with a ton of new somewhat exciting franchises like Viva Pinata with huge plans and then MS hold onto the ones that stick and produce sequels. Last gen it was fine because the PS3 was abysmal to play multiplatform games on for the most part. Now that they've caught up with featureset and run better AND have a lot more exclusives it's just getting hard to even get behind this console. On top of all that the box that is going to fix at least the multiplatform game advantage that the competition has currently was beat to market by 12 months? I feel like MS is floundering right now. We're still waiting on Below which is ludicrous for a smaller game.
This, but the problem is that we can play all 3rd party games on another platform (PS4). So why buying xbox instead of PS4?
IncognitoPanda
Member
Minecraft makes money because it has a massive userbase. Making it exclusive makes no sense. Without a community, the game would go away. Most minecrafters are quite young most of them don't have an xbone.
MS gets profit from every game sold, every dlc/skinpack, every Minecraft t-shirt/handbag, whatever people are buying. This is ms being a business first and foremost. MICROSOFT bought Minecraft, not Xbox.
I just want 360's early years ms back
Gears, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Blue dragon, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Kameo, Viva Pinata, PGR 3/4, Forza 2/3, Tales of Vesperia, Crackdown, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc...
Fuck
Minecraft is already embedded into multiple platforms and making silly amounts of cash, no point making it exclusive at this point as it 's an evergreen title.
Now a Minecraft 2 if it ever appears, is a different proposition. I could see that as a Windows exclusive whilst also allowing tablet, phone and handheld versions.
There's no way Minecraft ever goes exclusive. Maybe Minecraft 2 will be like 3 month exclusive or something, but lifetime? noooooooope.
Jaguar Victory
Member
There will always be first party IP. Always has.
But we know that the trend this generation has been that multiplatform software is the biggest driver in revenue and console adoptation. GTA5 and Destiny crushed any first party game.
If we're getting things like Phantom Dust remaster and Voodoo Vince and Recore I still haven't lost hope that MS is still interested in niche titles.
And that would be fine with me actually, as long as Halo existed, but they haven't provided many outstanding platform features hat would make it the preferred platform for gamers. If they can make that case, I think it would be acceptable.
Papacheeks
Banned
I just want 360's early years ms back
Gears, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Blue dragon, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Kameo, Viva Pinata, PGR 3/4, Forza 2/3, Tales of Vesperia, Crackdown, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc...
Fuck
Why stop there? Bring back old franchises from OG xbox like Otagi, fusion frenzy, grabbed by the ghoulies sequel, conker, perfect dark, rally sport, PGR, exclusive oddworld game maybe a sequel to oddworld stranger, lock down a good ninja gaiden game, a new blinx, a funded exclusive by BIOWARE like a jade empire sequel or a straight up Old repblic sequel.
There are tons of games for them to bring back but they wont cause Microsoft going to Microsoft.
According to windows central, games as a service is the future for microsoft
http://www.windowscentral.com/what-can-we-expect-microsoft-studios-future
http://www.windowscentral.com/what-can-we-expect-microsoft-studios-future
I disagree to an extent. Like I think it would launch in Xbox, windows10, iOS android and you wouldn't hear about any other versions. Then eventually, they would just come out for switch and PS4 unannounced, and would get late updates in comparison to the Xbox. Now how long between the releases, I don't know but I wouldn't put it in stone that it's a short time
Probably why they bought Minecraft
Well yeah they'd make it sound exclusive, but there's no way it actually is.
I just have one thing to say about this:
> Forza has no equivalence on the console and took advantage of Gran Turismo's failings since the PS3 gen.
> Halo had no equivalence when it launched on a very broad scope (console shooters were rare), and had no equivalence until Destiny / COD came out. It's now starting to downplay its differences and trying to be more like other franchises, much to the fanbase's dismay, and the numbers keep going down.
> Gears had no equivalence when it came out and it was very successful. Now other, similar games have started coming out and chipped away at its relevance.
> Minecraft has no equivalence.
> Sea of Thieves looks like it could be successful, but my main worries are all about it potentially "trying to be like Destiny" or some free-to-play games. Waiting to hear more, but the farther away it gets from these concepts, the more I'll be sold on it.
> Xbox Live as a whole was a unique concept back when it launched and for a long time during the last gen.
The path to success is differentiation. Each game has to justify its existence in the modern market. MS themselves have found most of their success this way.
Omega Kirby
Member
Great so lootboxes and Microtransactions galore
Looking at japanese games, Playstation has arguably more thirdparty support.
Comparing GTA V, which is available on 4 plattforms to first party titles, is kind of absurd. Not to forget, as plattform holder you shouldn't built your business around an extreme outlier.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I didn't know this as well. Maybe Activision wanted this to be "open" to release on different platforms depending on some deals... if Nintendo / MS pays them well, it may show up there. Or maybe they just plan to release it on PC later down the road.
JuanLatino
Member
didn't a developer from VV say that this is a game from Sony & Acitivision ?
Edit: here is the tweet
https://twitter.com/DaveARodriguez/status/805556426936565760
Kssio_Aug
Member
But see what he says next:
Doomsday Device - @DaveARodriguez Hello David. Why Sony? Isn't Crash an Activision IP and not Sonys?
David A. Rodriguez ‏- @Yalstromo Vicarious Visions is part of Activision. The trilogy is coming out on the PS4 which is owned by Sony.
I guess he just meant that is a game made by Activision for a Sony console.
JuanLatino
Member
But see what he says next:
Doomsday Device - @DaveARodriguez Hello David. Why Sony? Isn't Crash an Activision IP and not Sonys?
David A. Rodriguez ‏- @Yalstromo Vicarious Visions is part of Activision. The trilogy is coming out on the PS4 which is owned by Sony.
I guess he just meant that is a game made by Activision for a Sony console.
hm yeah ok missed that part.
But doesn't Sony own the publishing rights for the Crash Trilogy?
digoutyoursoul
Member
That article didn't give me much encouragement. I mean they get accused of playing it safe as it is and now it's suddenly the way to go?
I don't think that's a good example honestly especially coming from how good the xbox 360 forza's areand how bad forza 5 was and how forgettable I feel Forza 6 is. I don't think they have done a good job with taking advantage of the lull of GT taking so long to come out.
The exception is Forza Horizon Series which are just incredible games but I feel they are also a different beast all together and not really lumped in with the numbered forza games.
Yea I think this is a bad example. Forza horizon would be better, because that's grown (to even become the biggest Forza launch) and took advantage of its competitors (NFS etc)'s shortcomings
Otherwise you make good points, MS breakaway hits are usually something not done before. Sea of Thieves and Crackdown both have that, maybe they'll be hits.
Samurai G0SU
Member
this is guesswork - like what we all are doing here.
dancrane212
Member
Was that confirmed? The Polygon article said they were mum on whether or not it was an existing Remedy IP or not (aside from it not being Alan Wake). Wouldn't be surprised if Project 7 was a concept that has the potential to be applied to Max Payne or Quantum Break and they aren't not ruling out those options (if the comment about not knowing publishing plans was true) if either publisher was interested.
Steverulez
Member
MS own QB and 2k/Rockstar own Max Payne. Sure doesnt sound like they're working on QB2 and no idea about Max Payne
I just want 360's early years ms back
Gears, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Blue dragon, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Kameo, Viva Pinata, PGR 3/4, Forza 2/3, Tales of Vesperia, Crackdown, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc...
Fuck
Those were the days, my friend. Now I cannot stop thinking that I invested in the wrong ecosystem.
dancrane212
Member
That's what I mean; the IP of Project 7 could be...flexible. If they start pitching the project to publishers they might go to MS or 2K and try to apply one of those brands (or any other IP I suppose) to the game.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I just want 360's early years ms back
Gears, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Blue dragon, Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Kameo, Viva Pinata, PGR 3/4, Forza 2/3, Tales of Vesperia, Crackdown, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 etc...
Fuck
They missed out not buying bioware imo, maybe they tried I don't know but it would of been a good addition to their line up
Kssio_Aug
Member
According to gamefaqs Activison is publishing it: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/191634-crash-bandicoot-n-sane-trilogy/data
But I'm not sure how reliable this is.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/819280230418247680
Meanwhile Phil on twitter is saying the focus is still building a strong first party lineup.
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Meanwhile Phil on twitter is saying the focus is still building a strong first party lineup.
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Yes, Activision is the publisher of the N Sane Trilogy
but he is talking about the OG games which Sony does have some ownership and which the N Sane Trilogy is using as a framework. Other than moneyhats, this could be the reason for it to be exclusive. The legals behind this could also be the reason why they havent said outright its exclusive as well
MS PR twist: 1p lineup just means really cheap hats.
Samurai G0SU
Member
He is on fire since the last hour with his twitter. a lot of REPLIES right now.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/with_replies
digoutyoursoul
Member
Despite how frustrated I feel with the state of the platform now I can't say I agree with that. I can play better versions of my existing copies of blue dragon and lost odyssey on the Xbox one right now. Props where props are due. If you mean current gen then yes, ms has to do a lot more to convince me to buy any game for their system (although I have even fewer multi platform games for PS4). No sense buying any of these games when I know they will basically work forever across hardware on pc.
DriftingSpirit
Member
It would probably be best to keep quiet.
Steverulez
Member
I for one am hyped about Mojang's contribution to Xbox including the multiplatform Minecraft. I mean, I dont doubt their place or their significant contribution to the bottom line, but seriously.
Lmao
Mojang doesn't even make games for Xbox. Unless hes hinting at them working on something other than Minecraft updates.... Probably not
Jesus Chrisis. Banking heavily on Mojang, can't blame him after the acquisition.
Bits N Pieces
Member
I mean technically they are a first party studio.
That just so happen to make multiplatform games lol.
That just so happen to make multiplatform games lol.
Danis Saur
Member
Thats a poor response from Phil.
Samurai G0SU
Member
he just replies to timdog 95% of the time though.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/819285599261597696
@XboxP3 switching fronts , how is progress coming along with Scorpio? Are you happy with what you are seeing ? ♏♏♏♏
@BeastFireTimdog Absolutely, great that our 1st party teams are getting engines up and tuned, great progress across studios, platform and hw
so 1st party folks already are getting engines up and tuned for Scorpio. so rumor of dev kits out in feb/march might hold some truth then?
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Fast, someone tweet him super intelligent and that reflects the question of all of GAF.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/819285599261597696
@XboxP3 switching fronts , how is progress coming along with Scorpio? Are you happy with what you are seeing ? ♏♏♏♏
@BeastFireTimdog Absolutely, great that our 1st party teams are getting engines up and tuned, great progress across studios, platform and hw
so 1st party folks already are getting engines up and tuned for Scorpio. so rumor of dev kits out in feb/march might hold some truth then?
--- edit
Fast, someone tweet him super intelligent and that reflects the question of all of GAF.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I don't get Microsoft.
Fine. You don't want to invest in NEW studios. Cool. Studios are expensive to run, games cost a lot of money to make for potentially no return. I GET IT.
But fuck me, 343, Coalition and Rare a HUUUUUGE fucking studios. Learn how to manage your fucking resources and allow these behemoth studios to assign a small team to make smaller scale new games. Little projects that cost very little dev time that are low investment/high return. It gives the library some diversity and has the potential to spawn a great little franchise should a game really take off.
You can even NAME the off shoot studios. 343 Play, The Horde, Rare Funlabs so it on the surface looks like a separate studio, but at a moments notice they can be re-absorbed into the main studio to help with the Halo/Gears games they were created for.
I mean come oooooon. It's not that hard.
Fine. You don't want to invest in NEW studios. Cool. Studios are expensive to run, games cost a lot of money to make for potentially no return. I GET IT.
But fuck me, 343, Coalition and Rare a HUUUUUGE fucking studios. Learn how to manage your fucking resources and allow these behemoth studios to assign a small team to make smaller scale new games. Little projects that cost very little dev time that are low investment/high return. It gives the library some diversity and has the potential to spawn a great little franchise should a game really take off.
You can even NAME the off shoot studios. 343 Play, The Horde, Rare Funlabs so it on the surface looks like a separate studio, but at a moments notice they can be re-absorbed into the main studio to help with the Halo/Gears games they were created for.
I mean come oooooon. It's not that hard.