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New Horizon: AMD New ZEN CPU Preview Event
- Thread starter Hawk269
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Its cuz i gotta deflate expectations that might get overblown
Trust me, i did it prior to Pro as well.That might actually be possible, Jim Keller worked on Zen. He's the guy responsible for the Athlon64 and the competition between AMD and Intel during that time frame.
Nostremitus
Member
He left once the design aspect of development ended. He finished his part and moved on. He was a contract worker.
If we take AMD's official statement at face value, it seems the design was completed by AMD's team after he left. Maybe he did the overall picture and difficult parts, who knows.
Getting to i5 level would be the best thing ever and surely push console gaming forward next gen. Jaguars are not even as strong as i3's
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Jaguar wasn't even intended to be in that range, they were intended to compete with Atom. Console makers went with that because they valued low CPU power consumption over performance, and Jaguar was probably very cheap to license given AMD's situation. There isn't any reason to expect new consoles to use something based on a high end Zen CPU, they will almost certainly go with another embedded-tier CPU again because it gets the job done acceptably well at a lower cost with lower power consumption.
I know that, but that is the only real architecture consoles could even use at that time in a console form factor to begin with. There was literally zero other options to get the result the consoles did.
AMD pushing Zen in a major way signals that it will eventually filter down to smaller and smaller designs, which can fully replace weaksauce architectures like Jaguar or Puma as options, or atleast make far better alternatives far more viable for console APU configurations at a reasonable cost
I wouldn't count AMD down and out.
Here's Jim talking about ARM dev (He worked on Apple's iPhone processors) and how it helped build a more scale-able x86-64 processor (which Jim lead the creation of the instrucion set for x64...)
From what I can see he lead the team, and designed it and when it was finished from a design perspective, his job was done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTFE7sJY-Q
What leads you to believe he left early?
That and they wanted to use die space for the GPU.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I really hope Zen and VEGA really show up and kick some serious ass .
.Chauncy Talon
Member
I hope the Zen is where it's at. I've been a loyal AMD user for years. I hope the Zen does pack the powers and is affordable.
It's not just Jim though, he lead an army of AMD's brains. (which includes any if/of the brains that survived from ATi)
This is the only near official statement I can find about it: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/86585-legendary-cpu-architect-jim-keller-leaves-amd/
I did find this on Anandtech:
And more reading that was interesting here.
Edit: Okay, I can't live with the wording "army of AMD's brains" Especially after what seemed like the yearly October layoffs. But while they don't have the huge pockets of Intel, they still have had an immense amount of talented engineers over the years. And is still a place I'd love to go work for one day, but my hardware chops are not anywhere up to snuff.
Insane Metal
Member
200w cpu confirmed? 😋
Be cautious as Fury was once called an overclocker's dream.
Edit: not shtting on AMD, but we need to avoid another Polaris/Fiji disappointment meltdown.
As long as single thread performance is close to modern intel, ~$250 6core/12thread Zen should become best value on the market.
We will find out soon [today or after CES].
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
For what it's worth that might finally be a little out of date. Zen will probably offer more cores/threads in some price points than Intel, but ultimately the architecture is focused more on IPC and single threaded performance like Intel's CPUs. Which is a good thing.
Slightly off-topic.
Before the original XBOX was officially announced (and the worst-kept secret in the industry at the time, in late 1999) it was reportedly going to be powered by a 500 MHz Pentium or Celeron CPU from Intel, but, AMD was then reported to be in the running also, and they insisted Microsoft's XBOX console would use the new Athlon processor.
More:
Fast forward to early 2000, sometime around GDC, Intel swooped in at the last minute and secured the win for the XBOX CPU, much like Nvidia did for the GPU.
That would be pretty great really. Most gamers hover around the best i5 or the lower i7's so being competitive in that category would be pretty good for us
Leyasu
Banned
Its cuz i gotta deflate expectations that might get overblown
Smells more like damage control to be honest.
I personally think that they will go with excavator cores for Scorpio.
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The one thing that has me slightly worried is the "3.4 GHz+" part. Makes me wonder if these will come with fairly low stock clocks, and you will have to overclock it yourself to reach performance that's competitive with Intel.
Oh well, just a few more hours until we know more. . .
Ironic post.
Leyasu
Banned
I thought it was clear in my post that I was joking with him??
Anyway, how the fuck did you survive long enough to become a member?? Wonders will never cease...
Well, 8 core CPUs from Intel also have lower clocks than their quad core chips. You can't really cheat physics if you aim for that amount of cores and performance on par (hopefully) with Intel's oferring. I bet AMDs quad Zen will have higher clock that 8 core one.
GhostTrick
Banned
Haswell IPC is all I need. I mean, seriously guys, if AMD can bring a 6 core/12 thread CPU for 300 dollars without that K overclock bullshit, that'd be a great value already. Same if they did for a 4 core 8 thread 200 dollars one.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I thought it started at 4PM Eastern?
Hesemonni
Banned
Delusibeta
Banned
Will wait for independent benchmarks.
as everyone should. But this is only a reveal.
I'm sure the cost of the chips is no where near the premium Intel is making you pay. AMD more than any thing has to price this in an out of this world category to actually make sense for the consumer.
Most people are stubborn as hell and will still stick with Intel even if the performance is in dreamscape territory, but the only chance AMD has - at CPU competitiveness- is to price themselves in a way where they sell huge volume and make modest profit.
Pjsprojects
Member
Looking for a good reason to upgrade my FX8350 & 970mobo,if this is it then I'm in,otherwise will stick for a couple more years.
Excavator or Puma are the obvious options, but who knows if they will chose that over just using their 16nm Jaguar that they already have in production versus choosing a new CPU and essentially having to shrink that down to 16nm and then try and deal with any possible compatibility issues.
DouglasteR
Member
This.
Bl@de
Member
Yeah. Nobody should expect anything else then "100+X% of Intel performance at 60W*"
*In this specific scenario we designed
But it will be interesting to see architecture details. Don't know how detailed it will be, but we will know more in less then an hour.
Not really.
Samurai G0SU
Member
thnx!!!
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
I'm only watching for ppd