DassoBrother
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Uhhhh... What?
That's what I thought lol.
I was being tongue in cheek. Sorry that wasn't clearer.
Uhhhh... What?
That's what I thought lol.
Nicks a pos but whoever put this together is creepy as well.
Nicks a pos but whoever put this together is creepy as well.
After watching this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bd5_vOKwe_Y
I think Nick may have been refining and prioritizing his system for "sliding into DMs" for longer than his breezy apology implies.
Just for the sake of accuracy, Sidney Fussel is definitely friends with Gita Jackson and probably other people affected by this by extension. This is much more closely knit than the Cosby situation.
Sarcastic comment wasn't needed. The post is full of random redditor tweets who i assume is accurate .it's huge compilation of internet post in a detective like manner. It's creepy and scary to me. Internet isn't truly anonymous at all.WelcomeTothe internet.Neogaf.gif
Thanks for the detailed reply. I guess some of my question was more about handling this privately. They don't have to write a public story about this, just let Polygon know they have a potential problem and let them decide what to do with it. Especially since it seemed to already be insider info to a lot of people, just not anybody who could do something about it. Its my understanding that employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all and wouldn't have to reveal anything to get rid of Nick (of course I'm probably mistaken on this, but I hear similar things fairly often). Maybe this all went down the way it has to and it is better that it all blew up publicly rather than Polygon taking care of it internally a while ago and not commenting on why Nick was let go.
I guess my problem with this is it seems like the correct thing to do when confronted with sexual harassers is "nothing" and it seems like we could do better. Of course, people should support victims and help them the best that they can, but it seems frustrating that has to come with the cost of letting sexual harassment go, especially in this case where it seems people knew of continuous harassment against multiple people for years.
Is this the world's most savage anime-avatars-are-a-red-flag joke? I only watched like forty seconds.
The thing is that this all happened because of someone responding to a tweet essentially an accusation and it all unraveled.
I think that's why people compare this to the Cosby case, because it was something that was widely known and just came out because someone completely unconnected to anyone involved decided to make a comment about it.
Do you not like an opinion different from yours being expressed? I can see the appeal of echo chambers, but you'll be intellectually coddled and your growth stunted that way.
I'm surprised Griffin hasn't said anything more, he and his brothers seem so conscious of creating a welcome environment on their other podcasts and Griffin seems to be one of Nick's more common collaborators.
I think they were referring to the tweets that were in response to the Overcooked thing.
Gies tweeted about how he wasn't allowed to say anything even though he really wanted to after Nick's apology was released. And he doesn't even work there anymore. I don't see how Griffin or Justin can say anything without breaking some non-disclosure agreement likely already in place if Geis can't talk.
Sarcastic comment wasn't needed. The post is full of random redditor tweets who i assume is accurate .it's huge compilation of internet post in a detective like manner. It's creepy and scary to me. Internet isn't truly anonymous at all.
Why are you assuming he's talking about you? Also why are you assuming what he's saying has anything to do with a supposed echo chamber if he is?
Gies tweeted about how he wasn't allowed to say anything even though he really wanted to after Nick's apology was released. And he doesn't even work there anymore. I don't see how Griffin or Justin can say anything without breaking some non-disclosure agreement likely already in place if Geis can't talk.
Oh damn, I hadn't heard that. Aren't Gies and Justin two of the more powerful decision makers at Polygon? Did Chris Grant decide no one should make statement or do lawyers dictate all that?
I kind of doubt that though, why would it be a legal issue?
After watching this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bd5_vOKwe_Y
I think Nick may have been refining and prioritizing his system for "sliding into DMs" for longer than his breezy apology implies.
No legal complaints have been filed by victims. Anyone adjacent to this that comments too specifically or in the capacity of the job they do (i.e. Patrick's report for Waypoint) needs to tread lightly so as not to open themselves up to a potential defamation suit, I'd think.
Why are you assuming that I was assuming he was talking to me? I just like discourse. When people aim to shut it down with weak thoughtless posts, sometimes I decide to comment on it. If you know what an echo chamber refers to, I think you can get it.
No legal complaints have been filed by victims. Anyone adjacent to this that comments too specifically or in the capacity of the job they do (i.e. Patrick's report for Waypoint) needs to tread lightly so as not to open themselves up to a potential defamation suit, I'd think.
There's the possibility of a defamation/tortious interference with a business relationship on Nick's end and a possibility of a vicarious liability suit on the part of Nick's victims. Which means a whole lot of not being allowed to say anything without opening yourself up to a whole lot of headache and potential legal fees. That's not to justify the silence, but to explain why a person should expect it.
Yeah, I wondered if it was to stay safe from a potential defamation suit, but there's been so many accusations that Nick would have to be pretty fucking bold to try that.
Vicarious liability on the part of people he's hurt like Rumble said above doesn't make sense to me, seems like people like Gies and Griffin should be able to condemn his actions without naming specific people he affected.
Sorry, that's what I meant.
https://twitter.com/bloodyhoney_/status/893257429378621440
That's Sidney Fussel, a freelance writer. He's definitely friends with Gita and probably others affected. Key difference from Hannibal Burress outing Cosby.
So, there's no way that Klepek story ever sees the light of day now, hey? Scoops working for someone as big as Vice kind of sucks, really.
So, there's no way that Klepek story ever sees the light of day now, hey? Scoops working for someone as big as Vice kind of sucks, really.
It's possible, but if it does happen, we probably won't see it for a while.
So not to go against your point (they are friends with Gita; a lot of the people whose tweets started this are friends), but at the risk of making an ass of myself: I don't think that's Sidney Fussell! I mean, beyond their name, I've followed them for a while and they're a game dev, not a writer.
It looks like there's a Sidney Fussell using @sidneyfussell that writes at Gizmodo that you might be confusing them with.
I don't see myself as pussyfooting around the issue at all. I've said what I needed to said about this whole thing.Because it's such a pointlessly redundant, fedora tipping correction that seemed especially pussyfoot in the context of the thread.
If there's a chance Polygon knew or had reason to know that Nick engaged in this behavior while working as a representative of Polygon, there's grounds for a summons and complaint on vicarious liability by the victims as against Polygon/Vox. Not saying they'd win, just saying there's a chance. Any public admission by employees or former employees as to Nick's behavior while they worked with Nick at Polygon could be used against Polygon and Vox in a suit. It's not that the suit would be successful, but it's to prevent the chances of a suit coming even at all.
I see, makes sense.
Social media personalities are typically so outspoken it's odd seeing everyone clam up about something like this. I wonder if Gies will speak out once there's more distance between him and Polygon.
what story?So, there's no way that Klepek story ever sees the light of day now, hey? Scoops working for someone as big as Vice kind of sucks, really.
what story?
He was working on a story about the situation and Nick's past "slides" into dms.what story?
So, there's no way that Klepek story ever sees the light of day now, hey? Scoops working for someone as big as Vice kind of sucks, really.
Patrick was missing from the Waypoint Radio today because he was "heads down on a story", which makes me think it ain't dead yet.
Laws primarily determine the truly wrong activities. Surely what he did is not upstanding, brace or courageous though. Acting like millions of young people aren't being transactionally fast at gauging interest be it with tinder or snapchat nowadays is kind of putting your head under a rock.
I have a question.
As a result of all this, I've been introduced to the concept of "soft boy culture." It's still somewhat vague in my mind, but my understanding is that it describes a form of manipulation in which someone consciously distances themselves from toxic conceptions of masculinity in order to cover up their intention to exploit someone. Basically, the term reflects a double adaptation: the adaptation of predators to a new social environment, and the adaptation of potential victims to a new form of manipulation.
What I don't know is how Nick Robinson sparked the discussion around soft boy culture. Or rather, the screenshots and allegations I've seen make it counterintuitive for me to imagine Nick as "soft." Is it generally understood that this is how he approached most of his victims? Or is"soft boy" just how people are understanding the fact that a total nerd ended up being capable of this kind of manipulation and harassment?
I'm not asking for specifics on what Nick did - just trying to fully understand the conversation. Until ~10 minutes ago, the soft boy thing was totally foreign to me.
Holy crap, I was almost going ask the same thing lol.
If soft boy is a negative term, why does Nick use it as his image?
I have a question.
As a result of all this, I've been introduced to the concept of "soft boy culture." It's still somewhat vague in my mind, but my understanding is that it describes a form of manipulation in which someone consciously distances themselves from toxic conceptions of masculinity in order to cover up their intention to exploit someone. Basically, the term reflects a double adaptation: the adaptation of predators to a new social environment, and the adaptation of potential victims to a new form of manipulation.
What I don't know is how Nick Robinson sparked the discussion around soft boy culture. Or rather, the screenshots and allegations I've seen make it counterintuitive for me to imagine Nick as "soft." Is it generally understood that this is how he approached most of his victims? Or is"soft boy" just how people are understanding the fact that a total nerd ended up being capable of this kind of manipulation and harassment?
I'm not asking for specifics on what Nick did - just trying to fully understand the conversation. Until ~10 minutes ago, the soft boy thing was totally foreign to me.
I have a question.
As a result of all this, I've been introduced to the concept of "soft boy culture." It's still somewhat vague in my mind, but my understanding is that it describes a form of manipulation in which someone consciously distances themselves from toxic conceptions of masculinity in order to cover up their intention to exploit someone. Basically, the term reflects a double adaptation: the adaptation of predators to a new social environment, and the adaptation of potential victims to a new form of manipulation.
What I don't know is how Nick Robinson sparked the discussion around soft boy culture. Or rather, the screenshots and allegations I've seen make it counterintuitive for me to imagine Nick as "soft." Is it generally understood that this is how he approached most of his victims? Or is"soft boy" just how people are understanding the fact that a total nerd ended up being capable of this kind of manipulation and harassment?
I'm not asking for specifics on what Nick did - just trying to fully understand the conversation. Until ~10 minutes ago, the soft boy thing was totally foreign to me.