This...what?
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NPD June 2012 Results [Up1: Microsoft/Nintendo Hardware, Lego Batman 2, Lollipop]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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This...what?
I wouldn't be surprised to see 199$ Vita bundles (Vita+4GB memory card+first party game voucher) this holiday season.
That is if they're serious about turning its fortunes around.
If they think that they can keep the current price and hope that two spinoffs will do it for them...then LOL the failure will be brutal.
Week 36:
Week 38 (DS at the end of 2007)
Thanks. So the 3DS has about 10 months before (in launch aligned terms) the DS really begins its step change into high gear.
That's a pretty decent timeframe to work with.
I don't even want to think about how much such a package would cost Sony.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Can they afford to do so though? Sony isn't exactly swimming in money right now and the yen-USD exchange is probably still hurting them.
SkylineRKR
Member
Yeah, it also depends on the Vita userbase in the west by then. Which won't be something significant when going by this rate, lol.
As for me, I don't really have much faith in this project.
But I believe Wii versions also didn't open all that well, did they ever chart? Its just that the big userbase ensured some legs.
metalslimer
Member
I think the bigger question is can they afford not to.
Unfortunately it looks like its going to miss a similar mainline Pokémon release unless they step up their time table.
AdventureRacing
Member
I know everyone is laughing at him but does mario actually make more money than COD? Don't forget that COD is an annual release. It's sales numbers this gen would dwarf every other franchise this gen including mario.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
Can they afford it? It is probably their plan, the project 10m Vita sales, it's not like they are winging it. They maximize profit margin with first adopters, then cut their margin for a more mass market approach which coincides with the holidays and software releases. Does no one remember the 3DS first year?
snoopeasystreet
Member
Why aren't microsoft commenting this month?
metalslimer
Member
It was 50 bucks on Wal Mart.com, but I guess we'll see.
We're talking about the Mario IP here which includes sports games, NSMB DS, NSMBW, Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Mario and Luigi, Super Paper Mario, etc. Oh and I forgot about the biggest of the Mario IPs Mario Kart which is bigger than any Call of Duty. It' not even a question.
Stealth20k
Banned
Also lets be fair, it doesnt HAVE to follow the script, or do better......I mean no system ever has hit the 160 mil barrier, and it never will
Father_Brain
Banned
Source?
Not really that much, Vita is not sold at a loss and it's made with mobiles parts whose price goes down significantly every 6 months.
The rest, voucher for downloadable first party game (Uncharted?) and 4GB card is just added value for the customer but not an actual significant cost for them.
Also as with PS3 in its first year, and Nintendo with the 3DS price cut, there are situations when you don't have an option, you either lose something right now, or you throw all the R&D, marketing and money invested in development away if the platform fails. And that's by far the worst thing.
Stealth20k
Banned
I wouldnt be so sure about that
Nintendo just trademarked so many pokemon names that they couldnt accurately be reflected in the trademark report for last week
A Human Becoming
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9thwonder
Junior Member
Hopefully we'll get specific Vita and PS3 numbers. If we don't I'm sure jvm could give a good estimate.
What about all the spinoffs? CoD does make mad dollars, but it's limited to an annual release. Mario has multiple spinoffs.
Mario has multiple yearly releases and the budget for each Mario game has to be lower. They don't have to pay any licensing fees on anything whereas CoD has quite a few real world things in each game, not to mention the money they give Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo for their licensing costs.
Mario Kart, on a single platform, sold more than any of the CoD games across 4 platforms.
The simpler logic is that Sony made an egregiously bad forecast.
They have clearly been under preforming their goals so far, so I wouldn't give much stock to their projections...
Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Brothers, Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, all the Mario RPGs.
I'm pretty sure Mario makes more.
plenty of time to get a redesign out or drop the price to something far more reasonable.
or pokemon.
metalslimer
Member
So this is all part of Sony's master plan eh...I remember that huge 3DS pricecut costing Nintendo hundreds of millions. And that's not including the fact that a 3DS costs much less to make than Vita.
Actually I was saying it was a good thing.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm still puzzled as to how you keep implying that this is a bad thing for 3DS. It is outpacing every handheld except for the GBA, which was insane sales that we'll never see again.
Stealth20k
Banned
dont forget the mario vs dk puzzle games
Colonel Mustard
Banned
This isn't comparable to the 3DS at all.
You think what happened to the 3DS was a strategy? A CEO made a public apology and took a pay-cut. This isn't a strategy. At all.
Many more releases, smaller budgets, likely way smaller advertising dollars, comparable sales worldwide among mainline titles (both Mario Karts, both NSMBs), and lack of licensing fees being first party titles.
I COULD go into merchandising+licensing agreements to other companies, but I think that's a tad unfair. That's more Pokemon's area of expertise anyway (also a bigger moneymaker than COD btw)
KillerMan91
Member
Week 36:
Week 38 (DS at the end of 2007)
Damn GBA was monster. Including ''GameBoy'' in the name of DS really would have helpt it at the beginning. Dat brand power.
Going from $330 revenue per buyer of the same package to $200 is going to fucking hurt, no matter how much it is rationalized.
Actually it's pretty much a given that the first 3DS only Pokémon title will be sometime around fall 2013, well outside of the ten month timetable.
Stealth20k
Banned
My parents still call it the "Gameboy DS". lol
Little Green Yoda
Member
If you think everything is going according to keikaku (keikaku means plan), you have a lot more faith in Sony than most of us. I remember Nintendo lowering their 3DS forecasts a few times, so I can see Sony doing that here.
And again, financially, Sony is in more dire straits than Nintendo was.
just three Mario games this gen have sold approximately 82 million copies combined
and they keep selling
grimshawish
Banned
I can see some 'It prints money gifs entering soon...' and yes it does...by quite a margin...
And thats just software sales, not the hardware profits Mario helps bring.
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On the sales:
Good results for Nintendo - but they really should have changed those DS numbers over to the 3DS. Pokemon ain't going to help there; but I think it suits Ninty for now. Hopefully NSMB2 has 'some' affect.
Certainly the 'DS family' ain't weak anyway! Nintendo just needs to push people to the next system.
Can't say much on PSP/Vita, those numbers ain't great but not as bad as Japan.
Lollipop did much better than expected. Well done to it.
AbsurdG3nius
Member
Thank you.
CadetMahoney
Member
They're usually quick with the PR too.
There was some Vita hype but it didn't come across as frothing of the mouth Killzone 2 levels of hype/expectations.
Gaf said Move would destroy Kinect accompanied by lots of "no lag" and "1:1" talk why it would beat it easily.
Stealth20k
Banned
that was more due to the power of not having 2d mario for 15 years and then getting him again. I wish people would realize the 3ds doesnt have to sell more than the ds to be successful.
metalslimer
Member
Mario Kart Wii is bigger than any 2d Mario ever.
And now imagine if it didn't get half the promotion. I figured it would tank, so now, waiting for it to hit $20.
Stealth20k
Banned
it sold like 40 million copies or some absurd number right?
They might have no other option just like Nintendo didn't have an option when they cut the 3DS price, just like they didn't have an option with PS3.
Of course they'd like to have good sales at a higher price but if that's not going to happen, they still have to do something, also if they can still be profitable counting games and accessories in, while saving the platform, of course they'll do that since it's much better than losing all the investements done until this point.
So yeah, they don't have much else to do but aggressive bundling at the year's end.
AdventureRacing
Member
I was really more thinking in terms of mainline mario games and not spinoffs so much (though i guess we're talking about brandnames so that makes sense).
Still though i can understand how someone would be lead to believe what he did. COD has sold an incredible amount this gen.
Edit: Obviously if we include all spinoffs including mario kart than mario dwarfs everything. I usually think of mario kart as a different series.
Still though i can understand how someone would be lead to believe what he did. COD has sold an incredible amount this gen.
Edit: Obviously if we include all spinoffs including mario kart than mario dwarfs everything. I usually think of mario kart as a different series.
KillerMan91
Member
My parents still call every console as PlayStation. =D