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NPD Sales Numbers for November 2008
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Wolves Evolve
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The last paragraph from kame-sennin is a must read. Everything that has transpired in the last two years is linked to corporate flexibility and inflexibility. We should not forget how brave Nintendo was in restructuring itself in the shadow of the Gamecube.
Can you imagine looking at 360 employees, with say 40 people working on lighting and shading and high-poly modelling for incidental objects alone, and thinking "how I am going to keep all these people in the jobs they have" and then looking at those NPD numbers. You'd basically -have- to double down and run away from the Wii. You'd have to. To be good at your job, you'd have to.
More importantly, the idea that "evergreen" sales patterns would return straight out of the late 1980s would be giving THQ, EA and Ubisoft massive headaches. Its not how the companies interact, its the flow-on effects as well.
I truly believe that Nintendo will make fewer and fewer games, of higher and higher quality. Sad in lots of ways, but to build brand equity once or twice a year would be the only reason to develop anything for them right now. Wii Brain Training and Wii Nintendogs are still coming. Can any of you even imagine what the sales projections for those look like? The profit-loss against something like Final Fantasy XIII? My god it would be like Dresden.
Can you imagine looking at 360 employees, with say 40 people working on lighting and shading and high-poly modelling for incidental objects alone, and thinking "how I am going to keep all these people in the jobs they have" and then looking at those NPD numbers. You'd basically -have- to double down and run away from the Wii. You'd have to. To be good at your job, you'd have to.
More importantly, the idea that "evergreen" sales patterns would return straight out of the late 1980s would be giving THQ, EA and Ubisoft massive headaches. Its not how the companies interact, its the flow-on effects as well.
I truly believe that Nintendo will make fewer and fewer games, of higher and higher quality. Sad in lots of ways, but to build brand equity once or twice a year would be the only reason to develop anything for them right now. Wii Brain Training and Wii Nintendogs are still coming. Can any of you even imagine what the sales projections for those look like? The profit-loss against something like Final Fantasy XIII? My god it would be like Dresden.
BishopLamont said:
In terms of sales they don't but the discussion that keeps going on is 'wii has so few good games, why does it keep selling so well'? Like i said in terms of making money they dont need to do anymore then what they are doing now, in terms of pleasing the 'core gamer' they need to a). sort out the 3rd party support situation and b). make more 1st party games each year.
kame-sennin said:
I think you actually named the two companies that are big enough to adjust to what the Wii is doing in the market. Ubisoft is making games for kids( I believe that kids are part of the core market) and casual games. According to them they are doing well on the Wii and DS. EA seemed to be on the right track until this year. Madden 2007 showed promise as did the port of the godfather, MOH:H2 and SSX. EA seems to have lost their way on the Wii, but Ubisoft has seemed to have taken the kids market that THQ once had on Nintendo systems.
Nintendo may be creating a new market with new rules, but the old market is not going to completely go away any time soon or even at all.Third parties may even be helping the growth of the new market with their lack of support by letting the consumers and growing gamers on the Wii get use the way it works.
Shin Johnpv
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markatisu said:
360 release was in September, PS3 release was in October, Wii release isn't till the 18th of this month. You're looking at a 2 - 3 month difference. Plus everything they've said about the platform has basically been, "We don't give 2 shits about it". We'll see how the Wii version of RB2 really is when it gets released/
TheGreatDave
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Y2Kev said:
I'm sure it'll sell enough in Europe to convince Sega not to put him out of his misery.
Eteric Rice
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PSGames said:
I think someone said like 40k or something.
Though that may have been speculation.
ThatObviousUser
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Has the top 50 been posted yet?
Wait wait wait... Mario Kart DS is in the top 20? Really?
Where's Sonic Unleashed (on any platform)?
Edit- Beaten by Kev.
Wait wait wait... Mario Kart DS is in the top 20? Really?
Where's Sonic Unleashed (on any platform)?
Edit- Beaten by Kev.
polyh3dron
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Sega will just think Sonic isn't popular anymore because of the character, oblivious to the fact that they HAVE RUN THE FRANCHISE INTO THE FUCKING GROUND WITH SHITTY GAMES.Y2Kev said:
Aaron Strife
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Why would Sonic Unleashed debut so high in such a competitive season? Sonic games have always been slow burners.Andrex said:
ThatObviousUser
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Aaron Strife said:
I'm just wondering what it pulled, I'm not altogether surprised by its lack of placement in the top 20.
Anyone help a guy out? Did Microsoft put out a press release for November 2007 NPD? Kotaku normally cut 'n' pastes directly from the PR into a post, but their archives are busted (at least for me). Poking around the internets, I couldn't find anything that looked like a full PR from MS regarding November 2007 NPD, just summaries.
Feel free to PM me, but putting a link here might help others looking for the same data at some point in the future.
Feel free to PM me, but putting a link here might help others looking for the same data at some point in the future.
Hellsing321
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This Sonic bombed because they didn't add enough shitty new friends. They didn't give the Sonic fans much new material to rule 34.polyh3dron said:
vanguardian1
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Y2Kev said:
Uhm, it was mentioned a few months ago that Secret Rings join the ranks of worldwide million sellers for Wii.
Edit : Beaten by a Spyke.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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onipex said:
Author forgets that UbiSoft has had a minor hit with No More Heroes, and a huge hit with that whole Petz and Babyz line. Rayman has become a viable franchise after pretty much being dead. EA had a small success with BoomBlox, and a bigger one with MySims.
The biggest trouble most developers had was sloppy ports. I think that people are pretty aware, even if subconsciously, that the Wii isn't a system to put out regular games shoehorned into a "weird" control scheme, so they may need some sort of reassurance. They know Nintendo is going to make good games for their system.
Elfforkusu
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Captain Smoker said:
Hopefully Sega realizes that this has a lot more to do with a lack of publicity and a release on a console with a piddly marketshare than the quality of the franchise.
(but I doubt they will)
Why all the ninty hate?
I have not stepped into the new gen, yet. (still playing persona 4, just gots a ps2 a year a go, I also have a xbox, GCN, PS1, N64, and others as child)
I go to a friends house; and normally their wife would complain about video games, and with the wii, viola; we can play games again!
The demographic the hardcores' forget are the former hardcores' that are now married that owned a ps1 in college or n64 after having a genesis or snes and so on and so forth.
The Wii allows those that couldn't play games without getting complained at, the freedom to do so again.
Do you remember your friends that sucked at games? Now they can have a game system as adults that allows them to indulge in their childhood pastime without feeling stupid for not knowing what game came out when and so forth.
That is the market for the Wii, Nintendo nailed it on the head.
I have not stepped into the new gen, yet. (still playing persona 4, just gots a ps2 a year a go, I also have a xbox, GCN, PS1, N64, and others as child)
I go to a friends house; and normally their wife would complain about video games, and with the wii, viola; we can play games again!
The demographic the hardcores' forget are the former hardcores' that are now married that owned a ps1 in college or n64 after having a genesis or snes and so on and so forth.
The Wii allows those that couldn't play games without getting complained at, the freedom to do so again.
Do you remember your friends that sucked at games? Now they can have a game system as adults that allows them to indulge in their childhood pastime without feeling stupid for not knowing what game came out when and so forth.
That is the market for the Wii, Nintendo nailed it on the head.
hydragonwarrior
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Yeah, I still want games that aim for specific groups too, not just the fps crowd or the Wii Sports/everyone crowd.
I still want my damn FFT2 that feels like FFT.
Edit:
I can understand the arguments of many who are anti-Wii; if Wii continues the success they have now, how lilkely is it that they'll release that niche RPG for the system? Ogre battle, FFTactics, or unique games like SOTC - with the majority audience currently construed as "non-gamers", the likelihood of such games being developed for Wii takes a nose dive since for many comapnies , profit > all (and the profit lies with non-gamers really, as Nintendo has shown)
Hell, an RPG for Wii is risky cause they don't even know if the RPG audience has BOUGHT a wii yet. Wii is currently unlike the initial PS1 or PS2 since it was targeted towards attracting a hardcore audience of gamers; hence higher likelihiood of ccreativity, such as Wild Arms, Jumping Flash, Tobal, Toshinden, Motor Toon Racing, Destruction Derby, Descent, etc;
I still want my damn FFT2 that feels like FFT.
Edit:
I can understand the arguments of many who are anti-Wii; if Wii continues the success they have now, how lilkely is it that they'll release that niche RPG for the system? Ogre battle, FFTactics, or unique games like SOTC - with the majority audience currently construed as "non-gamers", the likelihood of such games being developed for Wii takes a nose dive since for many comapnies , profit > all (and the profit lies with non-gamers really, as Nintendo has shown)
Hell, an RPG for Wii is risky cause they don't even know if the RPG audience has BOUGHT a wii yet. Wii is currently unlike the initial PS1 or PS2 since it was targeted towards attracting a hardcore audience of gamers; hence higher likelihiood of ccreativity, such as Wild Arms, Jumping Flash, Tobal, Toshinden, Motor Toon Racing, Destruction Derby, Descent, etc;
Aaron Strife
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...do you know what a slow burner is?Y2Kev said:
Secret Rings sold over a million worldwide. Sonic 06 did well enough to become a Platinum Hit. Sonic games don't sell instantly.
Yeahhhh I don't know about you guys but if you think Sonic sold enough copies to become a platinum hit, I would like to sell you a bridge...it was like a pity platinum hit. Lots of games that have absolutely sold more copies than it are not platinum hit yet. This was like a Medivac from store shelves.
The only source I could find on the SatSR sales was "That VideoGame Blog," but if so, I stand corrected.
The only source I could find on the SatSR sales was "That VideoGame Blog," but if so, I stand corrected.
I do not care for Dragon Quest, but my wife likes rpgs' and i still get to play them.( we ain't not buyin' a Wii till spring, all her friends have em')
The point is even single guys that suck at halo love the Wii, chicks like it.
I'm 31 and i remember wcw vs nwo fests; drinkin' like a fiend that sent the women away.
Now single sorta playin' games guy can buy a Wii and still get the best of both worlds,
Nintendo did a good job with the wii.
(Yes i want a 360 and a PS3 not in the budget, right now)
The point is even single guys that suck at halo love the Wii, chicks like it.
I'm 31 and i remember wcw vs nwo fests; drinkin' like a fiend that sent the women away.
Now single sorta playin' games guy can buy a Wii and still get the best of both worlds,
Nintendo did a good job with the wii.
(Yes i want a 360 and a PS3 not in the budget, right now)
Sonic the Hedgehog (06) sold like ass everywhere. While I don't think it bombed, I wouldn't be surprised if it was yet another game that Microsoft and Sony just try to bring down in price and make it seem like it was popular to begin with. Stuff like this happens all the time... Warhawk and Ninja Gaiden Sigma on PS3 weren't "Greatest Hits" either... :lol
Sonic and the Secret Rings didn't sell too badly in America, and I'm sure it racked up most of its sales once its price unofficially dropped to $30 everywhere, but it was in the middle of the UK charts for well over a year straight almost after its release - a confirmed million-plus seller for sure.
Sonic and the Secret Rings didn't sell too badly in America, and I'm sure it racked up most of its sales once its price unofficially dropped to $30 everywhere, but it was in the middle of the UK charts for well over a year straight almost after its release - a confirmed million-plus seller for sure.
grandjedi6
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Sonic Unleashed bombed? After a series of horrible games people finally stopped caring? :O
I play games an hour a day, but, there is no way i could get through the onslaught of games released for the 360, Ps3, or even the Wii, at this point in my life.
I don't post on here much but i am drinkin' and wanted to contribute in a non-fanboy way.
I could care less what system a game is on, if the game is good it is good.
When i bought RE4 this dude i knew came over and asked , " Is that for xbox?' I said no it is for the GCN, and he replied "i don't play Gamecube."
I mean WTF? Sony is not dead, their next game system will be integrated in TVs so people need to chill about the system wars.
Microsoft has done a hell of a job.
I just find it amusing that people think that a certain brand is better than another in our hobby.
I don't post on here much but i am drinkin' and wanted to contribute in a non-fanboy way.
I could care less what system a game is on, if the game is good it is good.
When i bought RE4 this dude i knew came over and asked , " Is that for xbox?' I said no it is for the GCN, and he replied "i don't play Gamecube."
I mean WTF? Sony is not dead, their next game system will be integrated in TVs so people need to chill about the system wars.
Microsoft has done a hell of a job.
I just find it amusing that people think that a certain brand is better than another in our hobby.
kame-sennin said:
I agree with most of your post and have held the same view for a while. However as someone else said Ubisoft and especially EA are the two companies who are trying to change or at least have a segment of their business emulate Nintendos strategy. Ea has recently announced their fitness game, an IP based(nascar) Kart racer with unrealistic graphics, and lots of other casual games even in the first two years. Sure both of them are playing both sides of the fence and not fully embracing the strategy but the feelers are out in a big way.
Also:
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doicare said:
That is an awesome lineup of games! I think releasing the biggest games early in the year gives the illusion that it was a bad year when it was far from it. No wonder the wii has a nice secure place next to my 360. Two fucking awesome consoles giving the love!
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hydragonwarrior said:
Fragile?
hydragonwarrior said:
Kizuna?
icecream said:
141K.
soldat7 said:
So because EA sold a crap load on PS2, Take-Two shouldn't have bothered? Yes, there is a maximum amount of games that the Wii can theoretically sell in a month, but it is nowhere near anything approaching that kind of level. There is plenty of room for growth for third-parties to sell more of their games on the Wii. The fact that Nintendo is already doing so doesn't preclude that.
jvm said:
PM sent but here is what I found.
http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2007/12/november_npds_microsofts_react.html
AniHawk said:
Last week. Cooking Navi! 2.
soldat7 said:
Because 1) not all Wii owners bought Wii Fit, 2) a good amount of traditional gamers on the Wii bought Wii Fit and games like No More Heroes, and 3) Wii Fit brought the balance board to the Wii (see: Shaun White Snowboarding).
rjcc said:
You need something like 2GB to rip the songs so i guess it wont be possible on the Wii. Let's just hope all these new RB1 owner move to RB2 when it get released, so much better than GHWT
Also Wii Rock Band was dicounted to $99 everywhere compared to $190 for GHWT and RB2 for PS3 and 360
perfectchaos007
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AniHawk said:
You know what is sad? Most Sonic games that have been in developement in the past decade I've thought "Hey this looks like it has some awesome potential to be a great game!" But then of course they always suck. With Sonic and the Black Knight I'm already saying this game is going to suck. Sonic Team is taking the genre in the wrong direction with this title