tiredheadcrab
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So much that it has been said countless times they will.
The doom and gloom is real.
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NPD Sales Results for April 2016 [Sony, MS, & Nintendo refuse to comment on hardware]
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The doom and gloom is real.
Not sure that I can agree with Destiny's success being attributed to its content, especially towards the beginning of its existence lmao.
It'd be one thing if Sony had garnered console exclusivity, but Destiny is a 3rd party title that still sold well on Xbox - and that occurred without them spending a dollar on development or marketing. You have to ask yourself if the hundreds of millions of dollars it would have taken to develop and advertise Destiny would have been counterbalanced by its sales on a distant second console ecosystem. It probably would have been Titanfall 2.0
cartographer
Member
Gears 4 will be fine. It will likely sell lower than previous entries, sure, but that's to be expected given the context it's releasing under. And it will be overshadowed by CoD, BF and Titanfall, but it's not going to be a bomb like these other MS titles. It has solid name recognition, fans and is from a successful series.
Scalebound, Crackdown, Sea of Thieves etc. - that's another story. But Gears will be fine as long as people's expectations are reasonably informed.
Scalebound, Crackdown, Sea of Thieves etc. - that's another story. But Gears will be fine as long as people's expectations are reasonably informed.
Off-Kilter
Banned
Amazing work
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How long ago was this?
Yup, thats a bomba. Most sting like hell to see Uncharted prove that cinematic shooters are indeed very much alive.
Somewhere in the world, a softly spoken mrgrgr is uttered.
DannyDanger
Gold Member
Honestly after Halo 5 its safe to say no IP is invincible... I was one of the ppl who thought Halo was COD unbreakable
ummm, since they said its below 150k with bundles, i'm pretty sure its safe to say that its below 150k ... where did you get 175k from?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I mean I just don't see any scenario where Destiny isn't a massive game changer for them had they kept it. That dumb game still makes so much money off people and has to be one of the most lucrative MMO games right now. A big portion of my friends list are still "In Orbit".
That1BlackGuy
Member
Congrats on Quantum Break, it's a great game.
Voost Kain
Banned
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Thought the comment would be more definitive. Its just the creator saying he wishes for such a thing to happen :/
eerik9000
Member
Do you guys remember how lame the initial announcement of the Ratchet & Clank was at E3 2014? First they showed a teaser trailer for the movie and later added "oh yeah, Insomniac is also working on a game that will launch alongside the movie." Glad it worked out well in the end, just wish Sony had more belief in this from the start.
travisbickle
Member
Well yeah... but still.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I'm not arguing that it won't sell enough to recoup its costs I'm arguing it won't change the trend MS has and further diminish the power of their IP. I just don't see as a console where they go from here. It so different for Sony because the PS4 is a major tent pole in that company being able to survive but for MS the Xbox division isn't doing anything for them and they certainly don't need it. I just don't know if they are willing to make the massive monetary commitment necessary to start to turn things around.
I forgot about that. In that case, QB may enf up selling 4+ million as well right ;D?
cartographer
Member
That's the context I'm talking about.
There's a vast spectrum between Halo 5 disappointing based on previous successes and what games like QB and SO are doing. The Gears situation will be closer to the former.
It's not going to open at 2 million like the previous mainline game did. But it will be fine with reasonable expectations (namely that not even Halo is selling as well as previous games).
eerik9000
Member
If they release it on Steam and have a "pay what you want" offer at Humble Bundle then why not?
If they release it on Steam and have a "pay what you want" offer at Humble Bundle then why not?
This is overblown.
Alan Wake humble bundle only sold 200k, between AW + AN there's 2.8M sales on steam according to steam spy
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Plans change and visions turn bleak. World changes. It's the end.
Seriously. MS wants to sell consoles, of course they say everything is a ok. Would the company start to preach doom & gloom? Nope. It's for the others to read the signs. And the signs are there.
Alan Wake went up against the behemoth that was Red Dead Redemption. Quantum Break had no such opposition.
wapplew
Member
Dark soul is the new red dead confirm.
3rdamention
Member
Wow, if you go back and look at the NPD for after The Order launched, it was pointed out very very clearly that The Order was a huge BOMB sales wise. It was piled on pretty hard.
So if people think some users are picking on QB, they should go back and check what happened with The Order. Its obvious, they both bombed, at least in North America in their first month.
What's the end game? If you are the top dog in the console market you might sell 100-150 million units. How much money is that going to make you compared to the cost it takes to accomplish that feat? Now compare that number to other divisions within your company. I have owned every single Xbox console and will continue to support them as long as I am into gaming but I am not sure it has ever made sense for MS. The battle for the living room simply does not exist anymore.
I like how people can still say this in the face of a damn near confirmed console revision and possible new console.
The thing is though, MS's success last gen was in large part due to Sony's own fuck ups.
When Sony doesn't fuck up and is on their A game then we get a PS2/PS4 situation.
And unlike Nintendo, who has their own audience, MS has always mostly aimed for the same crowd as Sony.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
In what if... world these words mean something. In reality there's no such thing as "the new console is damn near confirmed possible". That's hope what's speaking, not reality. Reality is money, commerce and capitalism. Hope makes no bucks. Hope does not pay salaries.
Pretty much. As a sequel it makes a rather stark contrast to FE Fates in how to handle/mishandle a 3DS sequel. And the results fully reflect that.
wapplew
Member
As long as all big western third party release games on Xbox one, it will be fine, atleast better than OG Xbox.
Naughty_Doge
Member
Do we know Halo 5's sales numbers to date? What was the last update?
Microsoft's audience loves and supports first person shooters, so they went and spent on a variety of third person shooters. There really are not enough FPS on the market right now for the audience and there is very little forthcoming on the first party side from any publisher.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
For years there's been rumors that Xbox branch has made no money and has lost billions. These billions have been bleeding every year. MS was not succesful to create a brand to occupy everyone's living room. Now they aim for the PC space. People will not like Win 10 Store as long as there's Steam and such. Where does MS move from this point?
Future will be interesting.
Phil said in IGN unlocked few months ago the xbox division as a whole was profitable.
As long as they avoid another RROD situation they're fine I think
AmaterasuOni
Banned
I have my doubts about that. But I think we'll see what happens sooner than later.
Yeah. Look at Fable. MS cancelled the game after 75 million dollars.
Project financials are constantly being reviewed and companies are always willing to write the costs off if necessary. MS wouldn't hesitate to cancel a project if they thought it made financial sense.
Birgitte2004
Member
The humble bundle may be overblown, but I spent 3$ on AW + AN during one of the Steam sales.
That's hardly indicative of success, and is why it's so hard to judge sales based on Steam #s years later.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
It's time for SS to follow up 3DDGH with an Ocarina of Time inspired game!
Judging by the quality of the 'Tomorrow' trailer, the budget's already tight, even for Gears.
doubts about the profitability? because I believe him. He was asked whether the console itself was profitable and Phil just dodged the question and went on about the xbox division as a whole being profitable. I just don't see him avoiding the original question only to respond with another lie.
If you mean doubts about whether the brand stays then dunno.. I think it will, it has its benefits for MS and it's not sinking money, no real reason to abandon it IMO.
Agree
jmaine_ph
Member
Congrats. Great game. You guys deserve it!
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Arent they focusing on a new system (imo)
They are a bit in trouble with sales and IPs no doubt. They tried to milk it and that they did
Won't have fable. Yo would assume they are reluctant on the forza and halo games now and how to handle them. You have to wonder how they even want to handle the xbox division and windows at this point as well
Sure it might be profitable, but are the margins good enough for Microsoft when all their other departments do so much better. Why waste resources here when that capital can be spent in much better investments. Ms is a huge company and when something is just profitable, that sounds like they're not doing well enough to have a huge impact on ms bottom line.
Voost Kain
Banned
It went up against an established Ip with Souls, carry over of the Division, and a $40 remake.