It's 40 dollars(60 on console) for 6 years worth of content.What the fuck does that have anything to do with it?
Hey, you had your car for 6 years now!It's 40 dollars(60 on console) for 6 years worth of content.
You knew where I was going with that question which is why your post is worded the way it is. Now if the person I quoted bought OW1 this year that's a different story, but if that poster bought the game 6 years ago they got their money's worth.
Have you played an MMO before or was OW1 your first online game?Hey, you had your car for 6 years now!
You drove it enough, we'll taking it back.
OW1 is not a MMO.Have you played an MMO before or was OW1 your first online game?
Why I said MMO: Overwatch is an always online multiplayer shooter that's constantly being updated with content and changes, similar to an MMO. Back when MMOs were starting to boom there were a ton of them that cost 40-60 bucks to buy. People knew the experience wouldn't last forever so they got their money's worth out of what they could play. Tons of MMOs shut down after 3-7 years.OW1 is not a MMO.
Quake 1 still works. Team Fortress still works. Hell, even The Secret World still works.Why I said MMO: Overwatch is an always online multiplayer shooter that's constantly being updated with content and changes, similar to an MMO. Back when MMOs were starting to boom there were a ton of them that cost 40-60 bucks to buy. People knew the experience wouldn't last forever so they got their money's worth out of what they could play. Tons of MMOs shut down after 3-7 years.
There were quite a few MMOs that I bought, played for 2-3+ years, and then they shut down and some of them even had massive overhauls and revamps. I'm not going to sit here and act like I didn't get my money's worth after those 3ish years. It's ridiculous that you're treating OW like some special case.
Fuz you normally make decent arguments. Why choose this hill to defend?
Those are peer to peer MP games. Disingenuous comparison.Quake 1 still works. Team Fortress still works.
If you owned OW1 you still own all of the heroes and maps. Why claim otherwise?And it was taken away
Two. Just retail and Classic.I mean they are running what 4 different versions of WoW now?
...You do realize those games aren't the norm right? And that TF2 and Secret World had huge changes? There are hundreds of dead online games with tons of CD-Roms and DVD-Roms that don't work anymore. Even now BR games that aren't Apex, Fortnite, and CoD are shutting down left and right. There is no slippery slope here, it's how online only multiplayer games have been since they've begun.Quake 1 still works. Team Fortress still works. Hell, even The Secret World still works.
There was no expiration date on OW box. There was no expiration date on my money. This is a fucking dangerous slippery slope.
And it was taken away just to be replaced by itself to push a scummier monetization scheme.
This shit shouldn't be tolerated.
People don’t read those. If you read it, they don’t even guarantee the game will have servers.You knew what to expect since the moment you signed the Eula.
Aren't you the poster that said they'd leave and not respond the Overwatch Moderation tools thread and then continued to post?idgaf about ow1 or ow2. I'm here to laugh at the addicts who piss and moan about how bad something is, but carrying on shooting that same shit into their veins.
Wahh fifa/cod/ow/battlefield is ripping me off. Brb playing fifa/cod/ow/battlefield.
Pathetic addicts get that they deserve.
Don’t get it until the end of the month. As with most OW2 threads the OP doesn’t provide any details outside of outrage. Anyone who logs in after the 25th gets the skin.Didn't get anything yet.
That a lot of people, probably most people playing right now, are former OW1 players and did not get the game for free. Saying: "Stop complaining, the game is free" is not and should not be considered a valid argument because it flat out isn't true. That is all I'm saying. I have no issue with the compensation itself, I think it's fair and server outages are understandable. I have an issue with a very particular inaccurate argument being made, that's all.What exactly are these people complaining about?
That the game's servers were shitting the bed for 2 days? Ok, it's fixed now, and you got some swag for your troubles, did you expect a blowjob on top of it or something?
I legit don't get what horrible injustice you're rioting against.
That is an old misconception. Games do not just turn Free to Play because of declining player base. They go free to play because Free to Play games are far more profitable than boxed games, especially for competitive live service games.If you bought OW1 back in the day, you keep every cosmetic from it and get the new heroes for free. This is just a major patch as far as you're concerned.
Pay-to-play gaas turn F2P when playerbase declines. TF2 did it. CS:GO did it. PUBG did it. Starcraft 2 did it.
That's due to a design issue with OW and it has little to do with total player base numbers. The game is split up in different roles and there's been a disproportionate amount of people who want to play damage roles compared to Tank and Healer, yet most queue's in OW requires 2 of each role. That's why OW2 removed 1 of the tank roles.You can make an argument that OW1 had healthy player numbers these last couple of years, but my 15+ minutes queue times, which had me and my group quit the game completely out of frustration, would beg to differ.
You know there’s this HUGE middle ground between corporate shills and entitled crybabies right?Corporate shills are the worst fucking idiots on the planet.
And for you, again, what are you even doing here? You're talking a lot of nonsense.I can't laugh at the people ruining the hobby, or being too addicted and stupid to help themselves? Jerry Springer was built on that idea.
So get back in your box, forum police.
That's obvious.I don’t get it…
Exactly, then why isn't this an update? I'm vocal about it because it's been going downhill only, and me like many others are sick of being bent over by Blizzard's stupid decisions.I can’t tell. I literally don’t see why people are upset. Nobody will answer me. I’ve played both versions. It’s the same game
You've been counting how much I post and where?Aren't you the poster that said they'd leave and not respond the Overwatch Moderation tools thread and then continued to post?
Alongside 200+ posts the last 3 weeks? Addiction is a hell of a thing.
Then why are you quitting if you just admitted it’s the same game and you love ow1? I want reasons. And not technical stuff like servers crashingPeople saying "Oh it's just 2 days" obviously don't play the game, there's still some issues with matches being rebooted.
And for you, again, what are you even doing here? You're talking a lot of nonsense.
That's obvious.
Exactly, then why isn't this an update? I'm vocal about it because it's been going downhill only, and me like many others are sick of being bent over by Blizzard's stupid decisions.
Technically no, since OW1 worked on W7 while OW2 doesn't.If you owned OW1 you still own all of the heroes and maps. Why claim otherwise?
Yeah, they got it for 40 bucks 6 years ago, fam. Stop with this pearl clutching, they're not owed anything at this point. Do you demand free refills for coffee you bought last week as well?That a lot of people, probably most people playing right now, are former OW1 players and did not get the game for free.
Which is you attacking a strawman. Nobody said it LIKE THAT. People here are taking the piss out of the OP suggesting that free legendary skin is not good enough compensation for 2 days of server downtime.Saying: "Stop complaining, the game is free" is not and should not be considered a valid argument because it flat out isn't true.
Frame it like this if it's more comfortable for you, but OW1 was a dead game these past years.They go free to play because Free to Play games are far more profitable than boxed games, especially for competitive live service games.
So from 15+ minutes we got to under a minute queue times. Wow, removing 1 tank was sure a genious 500 IQ decision then, huh. That totally was the one that solved it all, yep. Totally has nothing to do with player numbers, amirite guys.That's due to a design issue with OW and it has little to do with total player base numbers. The game is split up in different roles and there's been a disproportionate amount of people who want to play damage roles compared to Tank and Healer, yet most queue's in OW requires 2 of each role. That's why OW2 removed 1 of the tank roles.
Yeah, they got it for 40 bucks 6 years ago, fam. Stop with this pearl clutching, they're not owed anything at this point. Do you demand free refills for coffee you bought last week as well?
Hey, you had your car for 6 years now!
You drove it enough, we'll taking it back.
How much they spend on the game depends entirely on the version they've purchased. The game was released 6 years ago. It has been available for purchase during that entire period up until the "launch" of OW2. Blizzard also offered additional purchases in the form of Lootboxes in those 6 years. What, you thought the entire player base purchased the game at release?Yeah, they got it for 40 bucks 6 years ago, fam. Stop with this pearl clutching, they're not owed anything at this point. Do you demand free refills for coffee you bought last week as well?
Have you tried actually reading the posts before commenting? Here, let me help you out:Which is you attacking a strawman. Nobody said it LIKE THAT. People here are taking the piss out of the OP suggesting that free legendary skin is not good enough compensation for 2 days of server downtime.
You had issues with a free-to-play game and you're claiming you're entitled to more free stuff thatn the free stuff they're giving? And you even get pissy about it?
Kid nowadays...
You're right tho. Someone in this thread is definitely "part of the problem with today's gaming landscape." Only, that someone is not who you think they are
Several posters have tried to make a point that the game is "Free" and thus the op is not entitled to more compensation, when in reality a large amount of players ,if not most of them, are probably OW1 players and have certainly paid for the game. That is the ONLY part of their argument I take issue with and that I'm addressing.so a game you get for free you expect more from and charge for skins and things
Oh by all means, keep ignoring facts and logic. I'm sure the enormous success of free to play game since the launch of OW1 like Warzone, Fortnite, Apex Legends didn't influence Blizzard's decision at all. Counterstrike GO? Pff, nobody was playing that game before it went free to play, right?Frame it like this if it's more comfortable for you, but OW1 was a dead game these past years.
You thought that they just removed one role and went through the trouble of rebalancing the game just for the fun of it? It's well known fact that Overwatch had Tank as a bottleneck. It doesn't matter how big your player base is if you have a bottleneck in matchmaking. I've played OW 1 quite a bit last year. Tanks had insta queue and healers was usually a matter of seconds as well. Nobody knows how large OW's player population really was, but it was certainly being played still and it had an esports scene going. I doubt Blizzard would go through the trouble of relaunching as a Free to Play game and committing themselves to years of additional content if the game didn't had players or interest. We've seen with Heroes of the Storm what Blizzard's response is to games with a dwindling player base.So from 15+ minutes we got to under a minute queue times. Wow, removing 1 tank was sure a genious 500 IQ decision then, huh. That totally was the one that solved it all, yep. Totally has nothing to do with player numbers, amirite guys.
Nah, the negativity and general demeanour seemed familiar, but didn't recognise the avatar.You've been counting how much I post and where?
Are you one of those freaks who looks through people's history as some kind of gotcha?
Get help
I care about this industry, and how it has been infected with addicts created by shitty practices because people are too weak to walk away and demand better.Nah, the negativity and general demeanour seemed familiar, but didn't recognise the avatar.
Likewise chief. You sure care a lot about things that you don't care about
Oh I'll be playing, but as soon as Uncharted releases I'll be playing that, with Modern Warfare 2 afterwards. Will return from time to time, it's just a shame it has to go like this, another great title lost to corporate greed.Then why are you quitting if you just admitted it’s the same game and you love ow1? I want reasons. And not technical stuff like servers crashing
You still own everything you got from those lootboxes in OW2, hello? You ok, dude? Neurodivergent much? I said it 3 times now. You've officially lost the plot and complaining for complaining's sake.Blizzard also offered additional purchases in the form of Lootboxes in those 6 years. What, you thought the entire player base purchased the game at release?
Have you tried reading the posts you're fucking quoting? Here, let me help you out:Have you tried actually reading the posts before commenting? Here, let me help you out:
You had issues with a free-to-play game and you're claiming you're entitled to more free stuff thatn the free stuff they're giving?
Oh by all means, keep ignoring facts and logic.
But support had shortest queue times and awarded priority queue tickets and lootboxes. It's like I throw a punch and instead of punching back, you're punching yourself twice as hard.It's well known fact that Overwatch had Tank as a bottleneck.
It wasn't a car shop, it was a car rental.Hey, you had your car for 6 years now!
You drove it enough, we'll taking it back.
Oh man, you are THIS close to getting it. You're so close! Keep grasping mate, you're almost there. Let me help you out and push you in the right direction. Notice how you still own everything from the lootboxes (which could be purchased for real money) in "OW2? Did you also notice that all the maps are in "OW2?" And that you also have every character (which you've paid for when you bought OW1) is already unlocked and available in "OW2?" Have you noticed that there has not been a single other multiplayer game in recent history that has "Shut down" and "been replaced" the moment a new entry came out?Is it starting to add up yet? Come on, you're THIS close to getting it.You still own everything you got from those lootboxes in OW2, hello? You ok, dude? Neurodivergent much? I said it 3 times now. You've officially lost the plot and complaining for complaining's sake.
All you're left with is batting for that one dumbass that bought a dying 6 year old always online game for full price after the sequel was announced. Keep figthing the good fight, I guess? Lmao.
Let me spell it out for you one more time: The only part that I take issue with is the part where people use "it's free to play" as part of their argument. Whatever comes after that is completely irrelevant.Have you tried reading the posts you're fucking quoting? Here, let me help you out:
Tank had the shortest queue times with Support being the next in line. You're right: Both of these roles give out priority tickets and lootboxes, which was Blizzards attempt to fix a Bottleneck issue. The game had long Queues because the game had too many DPS players. Have you ever played an MMORPG? Go load up FFXIV or WoW and queue up for a dungeon as a DPS, and then again as a tank or healer. it's the exact same issue: Very short queues for tanks and healers, long queues for DPS players. It had nothing to do with a lack of players. If that was the case then EVERY role would have long queue times and that's not the case.But support had shortest queue times and awarded priority queue tickets and lootboxes. It's like I throw a punch and instead of punching back, you're punching yourself twice as hard.
Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft 2? Destiny, perhaps? Left 4 Dead, maybe? Dota, possibly?Have you noticed that there has not been a single other multiplayer game in recent history that has "Shut down" and "been replaced" the moment a new entry came out?
Anyone who bought it for full price instead of countless times it was discounted is a dumbass, yes. What's your argument? Wanna buy Modern Warfare 2019 for $70 off of me real quick, as a self-respecting non-dumbass?So anyone who didn't wait 3 years for the sequel is a "dumbass".
This fucking guy legit thinks arguing against quotes taken out of context is a good look.The only part that I take issue with is the part where people use "it's free to play" as part of their argument.
The cope is strong with this one.It had nothing to do with a lack of players.
For a day and a half to jazz it up with a fresh coat of paint. Including all your past accessories.Hey, you had your car for 6 years now!
You drove it enough, well taking it back.
It's fucking hilarious that you cite examples that prove my point for meEver heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft 2? Destiny, perhaps? Left 4 Dead, maybe? Dota, possibly?
Okay, that's an opinion. But sure. Even if we go with your shitty take, that still changes nothing to the argument: People who purchased on sale STILL paid for the game and thus the argument "it's free" doesn't apply here.Anyone who bought it for full price instead of countless times it was discounted is a dumbass, yes. What's your argument? Wanna buy Modern Warfare 2019 for $70 off of me real quick, as a self-respecting non-dumbass?
LOL "Out of context". Is this another term you don't understand, like "strawman"? Addressing one part of the argument doesn't mean I'm taking it out of context or changing the context in any shape or form. The full context of the quote doesn't change anything to the point he was making, which is that the game being "Free to play" is relevant. Which it isn't, because it's not for a lot of people.This fucking guy legit thinks arguing against quotes taken out of context is a good look.
So let me get this straight: You want to "prove" that OW1 had no more players and to do that you cite your own experience in the Casual open roles queue that nobody plays because it's not the main gamemode of the game? What a joke. Pretty much the entire player base plays Role queue, not open Queue.The cope is strong with this one.
But I saved the biggest reveal for the third act: My 15+ minutes queues in OW1 were in all roles queue.
Now dance for me, monkey.