I think they are going to anyway. But MS gets to sit back and watch all this with great interest.
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Patrick Klepek: Sony possibly looking at increasing Neo specs due to Scorpio
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I think they are going to anyway. But MS gets to sit back and watch all this with great interest.
Irishonion
Member
I am so impatient with this crap, I'm just waiting for September 7th, when they hopefully announce it.
Luckily, my ps4 doesn't overheat but it does get loud. I don't care if the ps4k is the size of the xbone as long as it doesn't have heating issues.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Whatever they were thinking has likely been done by now. I mean using a 6 month or older spec sheet as gospel never made sense. And you pretty much ignored thst Osiris said they seemed to be leaning towards the more expensive of 2 options.
Kind of yes, but my point is, this kind of information is very sketchy to me. GB was the one who leaked the info on NEO, people may 'corroborate' but i don't generally trust individual journos sources over putting an entire site's cred on the line
They will have a higher spec anyway. It depends on what strategy they are pursuing. They might be going at high priced tech now hoping the price will come down before next year.
If Sony increase the spec Microsoft might not be able to the same as they already invested in the tech.
Well that's what i'm questioning, because Scorpio was only officially announced last month. I sincerely doubt Sony would be scrambling or panicking over a nonexistant piece of hardware coming out next year with their own plans they've probably had for atleast a year or more.
thelastword
Banned
NEO was never announced how could they delay it? It so crazy seeing all the people say that Neo can't get a solid upgrade from rumoured/non-final specs, and say the best they can do now, is to go the route of the measly clock upgrades MS did with the XB1 to save face, which still wasn't enough, since they had to drop kinnect and make further adjustments/allotments for devs even after.
MS had a shorter space of time to improve clocks. Sony had/has all the time in the world to rethink form factor, cooling solutions etc for the NEO as I'm pretty sure a console with a better CPU was always on the cards for them as well, they have always been considering and weighing between more than one spec.
This 6TF people keep talking about relative to scorpio is based on the same GPU architecture as the one in NEO, just clocked higher, so If Sony is able to boost clocks close enough to a reference polaris 10, it's pretty much moot. Even if they can get to 5.5TF that will be more than fine, the biggest win for Sony is if they opted for the better CPU setup 1 year ahead, I think that would be great and a winner right there. Just add in 4GB's of ram and I think they're golden.
So my take is this.
CPU: Zen Lite, 4 Physical cores, 8 threads at 2.6GHz
GPU: Polaris 10 upclocked closer to reference at 5.5-5.8TF
RAM/VRAM: 12 GB's GDDR5....8GB for devs, 4GB for the OS, A further 1-2GB can be made available to devs from the OS allocation since OS expectations/gauging is pretty much on lock right now.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
To be honest I don't even think Sony should be worrying about this. Even if those leaked specs are true it really is not the end of the world. Look at the exclusives for the PS4 already, look at what some first party devs manage to create with the hardware. So imagine Neo. Of course for multiplats MS would have the edge though.
Also let's not forget the immense user base on PS4, the hardcore gamer will go for Neo and the other players will stay with PS4. I highly doubt a ton of users will go to MS just because it will have the edge when it comes to multiplats and even then it remains to be seen how much extra advantage third parties will take of the Scorpio hardware and if there's going to be parity.
Also let's not forget the immense user base on PS4, the hardcore gamer will go for Neo and the other players will stay with PS4. I highly doubt a ton of users will go to MS just because it will have the edge when it comes to multiplats and even then it remains to be seen how much extra advantage third parties will take of the Scorpio hardware and if there's going to be parity.
Jarod McChicken
Member
My little prediction : all this vague power related talk is suddenly going to be way less important for a while when September 7th come.
If Sony has prepared a whole event for the NEO, it's pretty clear they have a lot to show, with efficient comparisons between PS4 and NEO games that could be pretty decisive in people's mind.
If this presentation is a success and if NEO comes into the market this year, what could Microsoft possibly do to stop the PS4 from dominating even more the worldwide market, boosted by this whole new momentum that is a mid-cycle upgraded machine ? Just keep repeating that they will have 2 more teraflops one year later is not going to be enough if, by any chance, the NEO is able to bring us a 60fps Bloodborne or some other significant goods like this.
Have a feeling a lot of doubts will be washed as soon as the discussion will shift from the vague technical sheet talk to concrete videos of games running on NEO. Seriously, September 7th can't come soon enough !
If Sony has prepared a whole event for the NEO, it's pretty clear they have a lot to show, with efficient comparisons between PS4 and NEO games that could be pretty decisive in people's mind.
If this presentation is a success and if NEO comes into the market this year, what could Microsoft possibly do to stop the PS4 from dominating even more the worldwide market, boosted by this whole new momentum that is a mid-cycle upgraded machine ? Just keep repeating that they will have 2 more teraflops one year later is not going to be enough if, by any chance, the NEO is able to bring us a 60fps Bloodborne or some other significant goods like this.
Have a feeling a lot of doubts will be washed as soon as the discussion will shift from the vague technical sheet talk to concrete videos of games running on NEO. Seriously, September 7th can't come soon enough !
Osiris also said God of War and Deep Down would be launch titles. Do you believe that?
Indeed. Whatever Sony decide, MS have more than enough time to maintain whatever lead they believe is feasible spec-wise.
Caddyshack
Banned
Doubtful. Why would Sony give a shit about what MS does at this point?
I'm really confused about what people are realistically expecting.
IMO this seems like what might happen if Sony did want to do something.
A release of a 4K BluRay player (Neo) soon.
and maaaybe a more powerful PlayStation console releasing in 2018 (one year after the Scorpio)
I think Sony could afford releasing a more powerful console one year after an Xbox one.
Especially if they officially announce it during the Scorpio launch window.
sure they would be one year behind, but at least they would still be more powerful if they care about that.
IMO this seems like what might happen if Sony did want to do something.
A release of a 4K BluRay player (Neo) soon.
and maaaybe a more powerful PlayStation console releasing in 2018 (one year after the Scorpio)
I think Sony could afford releasing a more powerful console one year after an Xbox one.
Especially if they officially announce it during the Scorpio launch window.
sure they would be one year behind, but at least they would still be more powerful if they care about that.
Both Patrick and Austin were at GiantBomb before and have joined Vice gaming. Patrick was the one who talked about the ps4.5 back in march while he was at Kotaku. Austin was still at giantbomb and was the one to leak the policies and specs from the official document in April.
They are both confirming that their sources have talked about the September 7th event.
They're not saying that Sony are going to up the specs for a launch before the end of the year because they are scared of the Scorpio.
They said they have looked into a higher spec option.
And their sources say there was some internal worry about how it would compare to the scorpio.
Due to the title and not reading the OP, people are thinking of this as some sort of confirmation or are basically hoping for it to be true rather than looking at the language used and the facts surrounding this.
Osiris, back near the end of March, also mentioned that sony was looking into a higher spec option. Before there were even rumblings about the Scorpio. He also mentioned that if Sony goes for the higher spec option it likely wouldn't launch this year due to pricing reasons.
Yeah it's not like they have competing consoles or anything
InsaneTiger
Member
After the latest Titan X, it sure does seem low.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Unless Sony introduces a console that you can upgrade, but nah. That's probably not the way these consoles are going.
So I am a bit surprised that some folks here say MS got screwed again when they actually are in a really fine position now. If September 7 is true Sony will likely spill all the beans and MS can easily act on that. It's clear they intend to do that based on how they announced the Scorpio.
Lol damn, I mean, that'd be cool. But that's pretty hopeful!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hahaha, you get them everytime.
BeamImpact
Member
as long as that doesnt delay the release im fine with more power 
Caddyshack
Banned
Looking at last quarter's results, calling it a 'competition' seems like it'd be being overly generous.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Compared to PC they will probably always be low, but for consoles it will most likely be pretty damn good. It's just kind of odd how MS all went.. "we got 6tf" so early when a lot can happen from announcement to release. But I am just assuming. PC folks will probably go all "lmao" when Scorpio releases next year and MS going all "most powerful console ever". But that's how it always goes.
thelastword
Banned
Well perhaps it's not launching this year...I've always said the earliest NEO should launch is March 2017. Let Morpheus have it's time in the sun come October, If Sony has been saying that PS4 is more than enough to run VR, let people see that and test it for themselves.
I would not mind if we get an official announcement for the NEO in September, but I would be more ecstatic if their launch date for NEO is next year along with Option 2 as per Osiris. I'd love for this September event to focus more on VR which was announced so long ago. So announce NEO, but launch it next year besides GOW, Horizon Zero Dawn, GTS-NEO, UC4-NEO, Until Dawn NEO, Bloodborne NEO. etc...
I think that the bigger factor here is being out on the market sooner. If rumors are to be believed it may be almost a year ahead, this is enough time to really establish a console.
Obliterator
Member
Um No Patrick Klepak is the man who broke this entire thing wide open not GB.
http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
If there is anyone in the industry who you should probably listen to about Neo it is him. GB did indeed report some stuff on Neo first like its spec, but Patrick is the one who broke the Neo even existed
Shogmaster
Member
Not enough time to make meaningful changes. They can delay it to Scorpio's launch and match it, or launch it as planned and enjoy the reduced MSRP.
Obliterator
Member
The OP thinking this is some sort of confirmation? You may want to actually read my OP
SatelliteOfLove
Member
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Indeed i see some clock speeds increasing the hardware is made and the chips are bought if it launching this year
I feel that the only things they'll be able to do at this point is to add additional RAM like the original PS4 or overclock the GPU/CPU like they did with the PSP. Either of those is probably more than enough, and won't disrupt the architecture and manufacturing. Question is, have these already started to roll off the assembly line?
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I don't blame them. I mean, I don't think it will be right up there with the Scorpio, but if they can push it a bit further than the current NEO iteration, then hell yeah .
.I'd rather not have Sony acting like they don't have to consider their competitors, or that they can just do whatever because they're in the lead.
Just about everything points to the console releasing this year though. And GoW and Deep Down clearly aren't releasing this year, so...
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
This doesn't add up
If Sony can increase spec despite dev kits in the wild, Microsoft can obviously do the same given that they most likely haven't locked down a final spec and won't release for 15 months.
Pathfinder
Member
If you knew anything about how to run a business, you'd know you always keep an eye on your competition. Always.
The pre-launch PS3 arrogance has probably taught them the lesson, to always be worried.
I meant to say "due to the title, and not reading the OP." I totally miswrote that part. My bad.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Wait. Are you saying this is what you think Neo is, or what they could be if they delayed a year?
Obliterator
Member
It's all good. I just tried to make it super clear in the OP that none of this was a done deal. Just that its something that Sony have looked into
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Even If the specs don't change I really think people are seriously underestimating just how powerful the Neo with currently known specs would be.
Sony would already have the price advantage by the time Scorpio launches. Unless they overclock it MS has to either take a loss or stretch the difference in price even further in order to up their specs. Not a smart move to do especially when they'll have the advantage anyway in specs since no matter what Sony do they won't reach 6tf.
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