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There will be Black Friday deals even in OLED. I doubt we see this mythical price drop for the super large screens that people want though.
Yeah dude, the price of this is totally fucking nuts. Fuck that. I'm gonna get an OLED in the fall probably. Do you think there will be a price drop by then? Were there great deals on OLEDs last Black Friday?
got a GREAT score despite the terrible input lag. Really looking forward to the C6 review
Is 54ms input lag really THAT bad? I don't do any "pro" gaming on my TV..just things like GTA, generally TPS, etc. Can anyone speak to the actual perceptibility of that level of input lag? I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a 55" B6.
B6 feels fine for gaming here but then I get 44ms lag on mine with the Bodnar (euro version) and not 54ms, but this is when switching to the game input after using a PAL source. Strangely it goes up to 54ms otherwise, but then I only ever switch from a PAL source (Sky) over to my PS4 so always get 44ms.Is 54ms input lag really THAT bad? I don't do any "pro" gaming on my TV..just things like GTA, generally TPS, etc. Can anyone speak to the actual perceptibility of that level of input lag? I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a 55" B6.
B6 feels fine for gaming here but then I get 44ms lag on mine with the Bodnar (euro version) and not 54ms, but this is when switching to the game input after using a PAL source. Strangely it goes up to 54ms otherwise, but then I only ever switch from a PAL source (Sky) over to my PS4 so always get 44ms.
Is the ABL something you can disable? I've always wondered what was up with my screen brightness changing.
got a GREAT score despite the terrible input lag. Really looking forward to the C6 review
Is the ABL something you can disable? I've always wondered what was up with my screen brightness changing.
Is the ABL something you can disable? I've always wondered what was up with my screen brightness changing.
I'd be hesitant to say "no" as a blanket statement because I'm sure there's been a handful of TVs where you could, but the answer seems to be "generally no".
Have pretty much decided on a 55 inch Vizio P series for this fall. I know it's IPS instead of VA but I want 120Hz and can't really go bigger than that.
Good to hear. I think I'll be happy with it. I usually play with dim lighting, not pitch black, so I think that will help counter the black level differences from the VAs.It's a great TV. Minor gripes aside, I'm extremely happy with it.
See? Even Sony's PR team knows that the black levels can't compete with OLED
When did Sony announce this set?
The specs are hereLooking forward to Rtings review of it.
Hopefully there will be a version that has all the features from this size, but only at 55" or smaller and much cheaper. Hopefully Game Mode Input Lag is <20-35ms. Might even change the 3D from Active to Passive if it's necessary, as long as the smaller version it has 3D.
People keep misreporting this, input lag on the X930D is 36ms, it seems Rtings and other sites didn't get an accurate measurement.I hope the input lag is lower than 30ms. The x930d's input lag is unacceptable at 52ms on game mode and the x850d is ok at 34ms.
Still would like to know when this set was announced.
It does NOT support Dolby Vision and isn't UHD Premium certified (lol).
Yeah, if anything, that should be a pretty good sign that Sony won't be supporting it with the PS4K, which makes Dolby Vision a streaming only format for now.It's a real bummer that Sony set doesn't support Dolby Vision. Really hoping Neo supports it and that makes it seem far less likely.
Seems really nice except for the input lag, I wonder if it could be improved via firmware
Maybe, maybe not. Dolby Vision can work via HDMI 1.4, which I think shows how forward thinking Dolby was that they could backwards.once dynamic metadata for 12bit HDR rolls around then it won't matter.
Maybe, maybe not. Dolby Vision can work via HDMI 1.4, which I think shows how forward thinking Dolby was that they could backwards.
My point being, it remains to be seen how metadata HDR10 will play out. Is it going to usher in yet another HDMI spec? At least Dolby Vision has defined standards and is likely not to divert from that anytime soon.
Though I wonder if the Xbox One S will be able to do Dolby Vision. Microsoft hasn't said said anything, to my knowledge.
Yep, good points made, but I think even static metadata HDR can look impressive on TVs with high nit count, at least when compared to OLED.
Are there any DV supported LCD TVs with high (1000+) nit capable panels? Vizio perhaps? I'm curious how it compares.
As far as Xbox One S goes, no mention of DV means it likely doesn't support it.
Should I keep my 65UH6550 I got for $1000 or get a 55KS9000 for $2000? Sigh.
I'd stick with the LG you have now and save up my pennies for a major upgrade down the line.
Interesting, will look into it. Thanks. Lack of 4:4:4 is a shame, but not a huge deal.Vizio P-Series are a surefire bet. HDMI Input 5, on Game Mode, yields ~17ms.
RTings is the only one that said it doesn't have proper 4:4:4. Users on AVS forum have tested it and said it works. I think it's limited to specific HDMI inputs though.Interesting, will look into it. Thanks. Lack of 4:4:4 is a shame, but not a huge deal.
Yep, still waiting on that firmware. I'd say we would be extremely lucky if we got the update by the time the Xbox One S came out. I don't know what the hold-up is. The CTO of Vizio made an interesting statement that said they shot for Dolby Vision first, since it was the most difficult to implement. Which left the easier HDR10 (by comparison) to come out later.Vizio's displays support Dolby Vision. I actually don't think they even support HDR10 yet. Waiting on a firmware update.
In regards to your nit question, the P-Series don't break 1000. It's around ~800 nit, though that's full-screen. Everyone else advertises their window nit, which isn't necessarily reflective of the real-world.Yep, good points made, but I think even static metadata HDR can look impressive on TVs with high nit count, at least when compared to OLED.
Are there any DV supported LCD TVs with high (1000+) nit capable panels? Vizio perhaps? I'm curious how it compares.
As far as Xbox One S goes, no mention of DV means it likely doesn't support it.
I've not been able to scope out AVSForum today, but yesterday the P-Serisles thread was a madhouse over 4:4:4. I'm hearing it doesn't work, but there have been tests that say it almost does (RTings), to others say that it does completely. I'll be paying close attention to how this unfolds. I don't PC on my P65, so I'm not affected, but it's more the dubious claims that this is a feature the P-Series can ha doe.RTings is the only one that said it doesn't have proper 4:4:4. Users on AVS forum have tested it and said it works. I think it's limited to specific HDMI inputs though.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/sony-z-series-led-tv-hands-on/Digital Trends said:it was immediately apparent Sony had just issued its best TV to date. The term game changer gets tossed around haphazardly these days, but not since the introduction of LGs OLED TVs has this jaded reviewer been so impressed, and were pretty confident OLED is going to get a run for its money. In fact, its hard not to see the Z series as a more practical TV in many ways, given its outstanding brightness and HDR capabilities.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/20/sony-z-series/engadget said:We were also treated to a side-by-side comparison of a Z-series TV when compared to an LG OLED TV plus a Samsung LCD, both of which are 4K HDR sets. The same video seen on the Samsung set looked pretty washed out -- the blacks were not nearly as deep and dark. The OLED TV, on the other hand, handled blacks as well as the Z-series, but it couldn't handle subtle colors. For example, a shot of a light fixture looked a little blown out on the OLED screen, while the same scene on the Z-series appeared more true-to-life. Similarly, a close-up of cooked rice looked rather monotone on the OLED screen, while the Z-series showed the same scene in much richer detail, so much so that each rice grain seemed to pop from the display.
Is 54ms input lag really THAT bad? I don't do any "pro" gaming on my TV..just things like GTA, generally TPS, etc. Can anyone speak to the actual perceptibility of that level of input lag? I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on a 55" B6.
Apparently Sony doesn't like DV and UHD Premium because it prevents their products from having their own identity and uniqueness. They want their products to stand out from the crowd so they go with their own HDR/4K logos/performance despite meeting all the standards set by the UHD Alliance.
Besides, Sony and Samsung don't really need Dolby Vision despite it being superior to HDR10 right now. With much higher brightness of LCD displays they can match and surpass DV quality with HDR, and once dynamic metadata for 12bit HDR rolls around then it won't matter.
Right now Dolby Vision is what keeps OLED competitive against the higher brightness HDR10 sets, so it's important for any OLED TV to have it, but for LCD, not so much.
It has been improved with firmware here in Europe at least. 44ms is where it's currently at here.
Guys...this is a TV by Chinese company LeTV that is selling like crazy in HK. They don't have an English page, so I have had to Google Translate the specs.
Original is here http://hk.shop.letv.com/product/x55/spec.html
Specs:
Screen
RGB three-color 55 "4K display
178 degree viewing angle 280nit minimum brightness
60Hz refresh rate
Resolution
3840 x 2160 (60fps)
CPU+GPU
Mstar 6A928 Cortex-A17 1.4GHz (4 core)
Mali T760MP4 (4 core)
MACE-PRO4 fourth-generation image processing engine
Support H.265 4K 60fps video hardware solutions
Storage
2GB DDR3
8GB eMMC
I know it's impossible to say anything about the screen quality without going hands on, but are these specs good? The price is very reasonable
Their input lag reading is incorrect. B6 with the latest firmware has 44ms latency.
You can turn ABL off.
It's a 4K SDR TV. It would have to be *very* reasonable to stand out significantly, even if it's performance is good which we can't tell from this.
guessing the C6 will be right at the same 8.9 or so.
the e6 is a 9.0
doesn't seem like the difference in input lag effected the score as much as no 3D support / sound did.
How? I never saw it in options - are there any adverse effects to turning it off?