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Lisia in oras was otaku shit
Brionne is just freaking seal
Lisia was terrible. Most disappointed I've been in the franchise's character designs in a while.
Lisia in oras was otaku shit
Brionne is just freaking seal
Man some of y'all blame everything y'all hate on those damn otaku.
Yeah Brionne is pretty girly. So? Who says every starter has to be super manly. (Which is doubly funny with Luchacat is also here , hell the siren design could even pass for a effeminate man design more than Lucha could pass for a female)
Typically I think they don't have the first stage be masculine or feminine because they are child like, but they become more pronounced when they 'grow up'.
Also, they have had a gender neutral Tepig evolve into buff, masculine Emboar, and nobody complained then about them making it too manly. Why can't we have at least one feminine starter line. Its only fair imo.
You are assuming girls don't want or like fem designs, and some don't. But there are a large amount of young girls who play these games who do like that look, so if anything its nice to at least have one option that appeals to that group.
Well this is kind of neutered by the fact that feminine pokemon aren't necessarily female. Actually if previous starters are an indication then there will be a 87.5% chance Popplio will be male for most people, and there's even a decent chance that someone picking Rowlet will get a female one. Like if a girl wanted to go with a female only team they're not obligated to go with Popplio.
Then again they'll probably have to restart the game until they get a female starter by chance and why it's 87.5% male 12.5% female is its own weird thing.
EDIT: The starter gender ratio is different than what I initially said. I fixed it.
Mr. Mime can be both, but this is an issue brought up by the localization of R/B before there were genders. Mr. Mime's Japanese name is Barrierd, which isn't gendered.This is another thing that confuses me too. I can't remember if Mr. Mime can be both genders, but I know there are definitely some Pokémon that are clearly meant to be one gender but can be both, but why don't they either fix the gender of these to be a set thing, or do the Nidoran line thing of adding a male and female variant? Or even something like how the fire lion from X and Y was?
Mr. Mime can be both, but this is an issue brought up by the localization of R/B before there were genders. Mr. Mime's Japanese name is Barrierd, which isn't gendered.
Mr. Mime can be female.This is another thing that confuses me too. I can't remember if Mr. Mime can be both genders, but I know there are definitely some Pokémon that are clearly meant to be one gender but can be both, but why don't they either fix the gender of these to be a set thing, or do the Nidoran line thing of adding a male and female variant? Or even something like how the fire lion from X and Y was?
I mean, sample size of 4, but none of my Pokémon playing sisters like Popplio's design. The eldest (they're half sisters, all significantly younger than me) actually said it was a bit insulting to suppose that girls would necessarily want something with pony tails and big round eyes. She does like 'feminine' designs - Alolan Ninetales has her hyped - but Popplio's line does nothing.
My impression of what they thought is that it is too much of an infantilized portrait of femininity, compared to more 'sophisticated' portraits like Ninetales, Delphox, and Gardevoir. I'm inclined to agree. I don't think the Popplio line was aimed at girls at all, or if it was, then the people doing the design haven't actually met many young girls. I think that it was squarely aimed at the otaku market.
It might be because I have too much NeoGAF exposure and there's always someone with an anime avatar ready to make worrying comments, sure. But the weirdly large eyes, the tiny fang, the schoolgirl ponytails, the mouth on the side of the face because of the lack of perspective - it's exactly the sort of stuff that causes Persona threads to go nuts. And it makes me worry somewhat that they did actually have a particular non-child market in mind when they made that design.
Again, there are many good designs in the Pokémon series that draw on aspects of what society perceives as feminine - Ninetales immediately jumps to mind. It's the fusion of femininity and infantilization I find worrying and borderline sexist - there is no real equivalent, no masculine Pokémon where the childlike aspects are also emphasised.
I'm not saying that girls don't want a feminine design, I'm just saying the way they've handled it these past couple of gens is similar to your average 'here's your red and blue handheld console with the new Mario, plus a pink handheld with Pretty Fashion for Girlz', if you get where I'm coming from. Sure, there are definitely girls (and boys) who'd want the pink system and game, but it seems to be forcing the seal as 'the Pokémon for girls to choose'.
I seem to recall reading somewhere some of localisation staff were concerned with the name in the sense of "Pokemon have genders!?" and "What if Pokemon have genders in future games?" but Mr.Mime stuck despite this.Mr. Mime can be both, but this is an issue brought up by the localization of R/B before there were genders. Mr. Mime's Japanese name is Barrierd, which isn't gendered.
I guess people can be thankful that Brionne wont ever have to shave its head on tv as punishment for disobeying its fansPeople are often in such a rush to trash otakus and all they like that they ignore the universal fact that not everything is going to appeal to you. So the moment anything remotely jpop inspired happens it's always "damn appealing to those damn deginerates " . It's rather annoying to see.
There are over 800 other designs for you to choose from... let them have a few, no?
I seem to recall reading somewhere some of localisation staff were concerned with the name in the sense of "Pokemon have genders!?" and "What if Pokemon have genders in future games?" but Mr.Mime stuck despite this.
Mr. Mime can be female.
And I see that being a positive thing. So what that Milotic with its feminine features can also be a male or that the Machop line can also be female? Why is that a bad thing?
That is hardly a fair comparison. Brionne is not mechanically different from any of the other starters, and if you pick a female gender in game for your trainer you are not railroaded into picking Popplio. Girls are not being pushed or forced to choose only the Popplio line any more than boys are being pushed to use only the Litten line. The fact is, people only ever complain about this shit when its a feminine looking design. I never see people complaining that something is too male looking. Theres some subtle bias going on with statements like this.
Did you guys complain about feminine designs when Chikorita was announced?
Yes they did. It started in Gen 2.Genders didn't exist back then.
I mean up until now I thought Chikorita was one of the worst starters too. Bayleef is cooo though.Did you guys complain about feminine designs when Chikorita was announced?
Yes they did. It started in Gen 2.
I tended to assume they borrow from how...well...it kinda works like that in nature. Kinda like how a male peacock looks radically different from a female peacock but then a male and female ostrich look exactly alike. Or how a male lion looks much different than a female.I didn't say it was a bad thing. I just don't understand why they deal with Pokemon genders in so many different ways. Like you have the Nidorans, things like gender differences like female Pikachu having a heart tail, Pokémon having completely different appearances due to gender like Pyroar, some have locked genders like Jynx, then some that look like they should be a certain gender, like the leaked final evolution fire starter and the middle seal starter, but can be both.
I wonder why they decided to make Jynx female only in Gen 2 but let Mr. Mine be whatever?
Did you guys complain about feminine designs when Chikorita was announced?
People aren't complaining about feminine designs. This strawman is really obnoxious. I'm a huge proponent of feminine designs/characters/roles in pretty much any format of media. People are complaining that the specific iconography that the Popplio line draws on is one mostly consumed by a subculture that has a really unhealthy attitude towards women, particularly young women.
People aren't complaining about feminine designs. This strawman is really obnoxious. I'm a huge proponent of feminine designs/characters/roles in pretty much any format of media. People are complaining that the specific iconography that the Popplio line draws on is one mostly consumed by a subculture that has a really unhealthy attitude towards women, particularly young women.
It seems this gen follows gen 6's starters, with one being overly Macho, one being overly Feminine, and one being gender neutral with a cool edge to it. That way they're should be a design for everyone. Whether people take to that though, is iffy.
Thanks for reminding me of that*. What makes the Europe a week late thing even worse is Europe is the first region getting a big tournament under VGC17 rules so has even less preparation time. I do wonder if the Europe a week late thing is just due to server load (remember how Game Sync never worked at XY launch) rather than "those Frenchies leaked it all"Feminine mons are rad, still #teampopplio
I'll need one of you US players to trade me one of those owls too tho, when I play my PAL copy a week later :V
They made Tauros male only instead (well female Tauros is probably Miltank but they never made this a breeding thing...they could have made one of those baby Pokemon everyone hates be the link or just been like how Nidoran Female female eggs can be Nidoran male or Nidoran female*).I wonder why they decided to make Jynx female only in Gen 2 but let Mr. Mine be whatever?
Maybe Brionne I guess but the last evo just straight up looks like mermaid seal.
Which is a very bizarre issue to have.People aren't complaining about feminine designs. This strawman is really obnoxious. I'm a huge proponent of feminine designs/characters/roles in pretty much any format of media. People are complaining that the specific iconography that the Popplio line draws on is one mostly consumed by a subculture that has a really unhealthy attitude towards women, particularly young women.
Maybe Brionne I guess but the last evo just straight up looks like mermaid seal.
Which is a very bizarre issue to have.
Like having a problem with the Machop line because it draws from the wrestling world which is well known for its steroid drug use and having a toxic hyper-masculine culture around it.
I tended to assume they borrow from how...well...it kinda works like that in nature. Kinda like how a male peacock looks radically different from a female peacock but then a male and female ostrich look exactly alike. Or how a male lion looks much different than a female.
No that leak is looking to be legit.So after all that two-legs Litten evolution was fake? I mean, this Litten evolution doesn't look like will turn into that two-legs fighting type.
Litten is still my favorite giving this new form. I liked Popplio evolution as well. Rowlet, not so much.
So after all that two-legs Litten evolution was fake? I mean, this Litten evolution doesn't look like will turn into that two-legs fighting type.
Litten is still my favorite giving this new form. I liked Popplio evolution as well. Rowlet, not so much.
Genders didn't exist back then.
I feel pretty confident in saying it's probably to make breeding starters harder. Which might matter if dittos weren't a thing
No that leak is looking to be legit.
I think if anything this makes it look like it will evolve into wrestlecat. Its front legs are thicker than its back, and I could easily see its flame spewing collar turn into that flame spewing belt.
I hope ash greninja isn't too high of a level so I can use him right away in the full game.
Damn! I probably just want to believe!
I really like Torracat...but I don't like the leaked final form of it. :/ Here's to hoping that each of the starters will have branching evolutions like Rockruff, as possibly hinted at by their shared "secret."