Saturnman said:
There you go, dellusions of self-importance. This is just a forum and I am just a poster, just like you are. Though it's moderated, it's not high society. It's a place to debate, to goof off and heck, maybe even for some wet towel fights.
I have no delusions; engaging in such pettiness
is beneath me, which is why you'll never see
me instigate any of this sort of nonsense. Can't say the same for you, though.
Lots of people who post here are "above" that sort of thing, not just me-- so "self-important" is a phrase you're going to have to apply to someone else.
I can goof off just fine-- witness my responses in the OA thread. However, it's pretty juvenile to try to stir the pot over something as trivial as me posting a pic for the first time in years, don't you think? I think so...
Imagine going for a drink with a few buddies and while sharing one of your stories about your dating life, one friend calls you a liar and that you should stop making stuff up. If you'd get upset and start raving about daring to insult your character and you will not tolerate anymore of this sort of behavior, you'd probably be met with stunned silence mixed in with laughter. No, the correct response among guys in informal settings is to laugh it off or to respond in kind.
As I generally do. However, when certain comments become persistent (such as the fact that many people seem to think that I'm somehow "pretentious", as you've stated), it becomes annoying, particularly when there's no basis for them other than
exactly what I've stated (regarding my posting habits and style). If that same friend repeatedly called me a liar in numerous situations, and in mixed company (i.e., amongst people who knew me well and people who didn't), and for no apparent reason nor clearly in jest-- yet was adamant about it-- yeah, I'd ask him what was up. If he couldn't give me a good reason for saying such things, I'd ask him to stop, just as I've asked you. Then again, nobody in real life has ever said any such thing about me (nor said that I'm "pretentious", or "deluded"), and that's because I'm quite clearly
not that way; so this is a purely academic discussion.
That's what amazes about you, Loki. On the surface, it seems you can play the game, but you're much more sensitive than you let on
No, not really. Try to play the "game" with other people in the manner you've played it with me here (again, "
in the manner in which you've played it with me here") and see how they react. If you're not swift enough to grasp the distinctions between these things, then don't take it out on me-- go read a book, or go people watching and learn to appreciate the subtleties of human interaction that you've heretofore been unaware of. It won't fly with anyone else, Sman, believe me.
I kid around ALL the time-- I can poke fun at people and laugh when they poke fun at me, provided that it's
all in good fun. Like I said, though, when certain unfounded comments become pervasive, and when I feel that the intention has become somewhat meanspirited, I
will speak up. You've essentially derailed this thread for
literally no reason other than some desire to stir things up-- is
that not insane? Yet you can sit there with a straight face and tell me that
I have issues. Oh, this is rich. :lol
And if you need any more "evidence" as to why your conduct herein has been both puerile and misguided, just look at how you started your first post out:
In any case, you must be proud of yourself, Loki. You've nearly derailed this topic and got an entire OAS topic devoted entirely to you.
Yeah, you put a smiley, but whatever. My reply to you wasn't even that intense or angry; yet instead of trying to smooth things over, you continued with the specious reasoning:
I am just saying that, with your sudden change of heart in posting new photos of yourself, you must not regret it. People are talking about you, in a good way over here (no one is even saying anything about the 'mug shot') and some taking pot shots in another forum. Feedback is always nice and you have an opportunity to reply to much of it and you do like to post replies.
You're a bit of a white Alan Keyes, you like attention and talking about yourself. Admit it. No shame in that. Some people take it to the stage, you, on the other hand, prefer the relative safety of forums
Now you
could have just said that you were just messing around and that would have been the end of it. This is what most normal people would have done, and indeed what I have done in the past-- you don't let a "joke" online drag on for multiple posts, because somewhere along the line wires
will get crossed, and it has nothing to do with how
I react to things, but how
people react to things. You then proceeded to post the following:
But you're a bit like Catzgirl, when your name is uttered (or your post touched/quoted), you will appear (though she posts less in forums nowadays so it's less true).
Vanity and the desire to impress is not just about looks, it's also about who you are, what you can do and how it is projected. Your posts are like your babies, meticulously constructed, you say it's your desire to be thorough, but you've got to wonder if you really need to be that thorough. You know, among artists, there's often that same desire to show off, even if you don't necessarily make a spectacle of every artwork you do.
If you were truly completely modest and anonymous, it's likely you'd just be a lurker here and wouldn't feel the need to address every post mentionning you and every one of your quoted posts.
That's my brief analysis of the Loki psyche
See, you keep persisting, and you even have this elaborate theory crafted which betrays the fact that you were
not initially "joking around", and that I was
quite right to interpret your intentions the way I did (indeed, I did so based on your history, not solely what occurred in this thread), since it's clear that you really do believe the tripe you posted above about me. Now, when someone
truly believes something like that about me, as opposed to merely teasing me or kidding around (which I'm fine with- people do it to me all the time here, and people are free to check out my responses to the pic topic up at OA about me), then that's not a joke anymore, is it?
Is it? This is my point. I'm entitled to respond to such statements, then, correct?
The fact of the matter is that if I walked into a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with you and started to attempt to "deconstruct Saturnman" based on scanty evidence, I don't think you'd take kindly to it. In fact, I don't think many people would-- particularly not if
the same exact comments were being made ad nauseum. However unsubstantiated, it grates on me; if the hoodwinking of the American populace has taught me one thing, it's that if someone says something enough times, people will believe it. Repetition trumps truth among the masses, unfortunately. And so I will not sit idly by while the same exact comments are made about me
all the freaking time, because I do not want people to get the wrong impression of me. A rational person says, "let me look at a person's opinions and ideas and how he comports himself and then make a judgment about that person"; such a man will not be swayed by spurious claims such as you've made. However, unfortunately for us, the world is not rational, nor are all of the members here. Like I said, try to go talk shit about any other substantial poster (for no reason, mind you-- unprovoked) and see how far you get. I'll be waiting to watch
that little social experiment, though I won't hold my breath.
I mean, at least mix it up and get some new material or something-- the whole "Loki is a pretentious blowhard" thing is
so 2001. And the only reason I
do get upset over things like that is because I know that there are people here who
do believe it, despite it not being true (and this is why I took issue with your comments, because this is not the first time you've made these same exact comments to me and I am well aware that you fully believe them, hence your elaborate theories).
Like I said, you seem to feel that Occam's Razor holds only when it suits you; for other things-- such as why I behave the way I do-- you see fit to posit untenable and illogical theories where simpler ones would suffice. Shame on you, Saturnman, shame on you.
P.S. Nrxic would disagree with the 'nothing but kind words' part.
Perhaps. But I don't post things unprovoked. What you've done here is the
very definition of "unprovoked." In other words,
there is absolutely no reason to start speculating about one's "motive" in posting a pic in a pic thread-- especially not one that already had 1500 posts in it and not a single person's motives in posting their pic was questioned, and not when said person has not posted a pic in 5 years. Period.
And if you feel that I've overreacted at all, take a minute to ask yourself who else has hecklers who follow him to other forums spouting the same unsubstantiated bullshit as always, and who has spawned a veritable cottage industry of mocking threads at OA despite the fact that I haven't posted there regularly in many months. Why do you think that is, Sman? You can say it's because of my "flaws", but I'll tell you right now that it is done for
entirely different reasons than what you suppose.
