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[EmilioLargo]

Isnt that abit odd? I mean a Xbox One S runs games abit faster already then a normal Xbox One because of the slighty better CPU. Didnt need a patch or a boost for that. Why does the Pro need a patch of boost update for that?

Because without boost mode PS4 pro is forced to not use the extra power on non-pro-patched-games. The objective was not to break games (physics e. g.). The power difference between base/amateur PS4 and pro is much more significant than the difference between OG Xbone and Xbone S.

 

[PepperedHam]

Isnt that abit odd? I mean a Xbox One S runs games abit faster already then a normal Xbox One because of the slighty better CPU. Didnt need a patch or a boost for that. Why does the Pro need a patch of boost update for that?

Games without a Pro patch purposely had the PS4 running as a base PS4, they intentionally downclocked it so as to not potentially break anything that was in place for games developed specifically OG PS4 hardware. With this patch, boost mode just takes those shackles off.

 

[Tyaren]

Isnt that abit odd? I mean a Xbox One S runs games abit faster already then a normal Xbox One because of the slighty better CPU. Didnt need a patch or a boost for that. Why does the Pro need a patch of boost update for that?

Sony locked access to the full power of the Pro. Only patched titles where able to access it's power. Unpatched games ran on a virtual standard PS4.
They likely did that to avoid any kind of problem that might have occured with games. Even now they are extra careful to make boost mode just an option and not the default setting.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Isnt that abit odd? I mean a Xbox One S runs games abit faster already then a normal Xbox One because of the slighty better CPU. Didnt need a patch or a boost for that. Why does the Pro need a patch of boost update for that?

Maybe because PS4 games weren't mean to run on a 4.2 Tflops GPU originally? You have to ensure compatibility first....

 

[viHuGi]

Just saw some pc footage, Rx 480 runs this mode at 60/70fps very high.

 

[leeh]

Maybe because PS4 games weren't mean to run on a 4.2 Tflops GPU originally? You have to ensure compatibility first....

Is it using the full extent of the GPU or is it just the clocks? I'd expect huge jumps if it was, but I can imagine you can't really tell from frame caps?

 

[bombshell]

Isnt that abit odd? I mean a Xbox One S runs games abit faster already then a normal Xbox One because of the slighty better CPU. Didnt need a patch or a boost for that. Why does the Pro need a patch of boost update for that?

For ensuring 100% compatibility with non-patched games, Sony locked half of the GPU and the clock speeds of both the CPU and GPU to the exact clocks of PS4 when running those.

Now they have removed that lock and downclock when the user enables the option, which has a disclaimer that it may break some games.

Edit: To further answer to your comparison to Xbox One S.

XB1 S has the exact same architecture as XB1, just with a slight CPU upclock.

PS4 Pro has a much more different architecture, where one part of the GPU is exactly like the regular PS4 GPU and the other part is a mirror of it, on top of higher clocks for both CPU and GPU.

 

[Caayn]

Is it using the full extent of the GPU or is it just the clocks? I'd expect huge jumps if it was, but I can imagine you can't really tell from frame caps?

If Rainbow Six Siege, uncapped(toggle) and a frame rate counter, is an indication it's most likely using the full extent of the GPU. I wonder if Sony unshackled the CPU as well.

But a game as AC Unity wich had problems getting a locked 30fps on normal PS4 didnt run better and locked 30fps on a Pro without the boost mode? Because that wouldnt have broken anything physics wise etc? Just more stable?

That's been the discussions since it first became known that the Pro wouldn't increase performance for non-Pro titles. Sony now seems to agree by giving control to the user.

 

[Theorry]

Because without boost mode PS4 pro is forced to not use the extra power on non-pro-patched-games. The objective was not to break games (physics e. g.). The power difference between base/amateur PS4 and pro is much more significant than the difference between OG Xbone and Xbone S.

Games without a Pro patch purposely had the PS4 running as a base PS4, they intentionally downclocked it so as to not potentially break anything that was in place for games developed specifically OG PS4 hardware. With this patch, boost mode just takes those shackles off.

Sony locked access to the full power of the Pro. Only patched titles where able to access it's power.
They likely did that to avoid any problems that might have occured. Even now they are extra careful to make boost mode just an option and not the default setting.

Maybe because PS4 games weren't mean to run on a 4.2 Tflops GPU originally? You have to ensure compatibility first....

But a game as AC Unity wich had problems getting a locked 30fps on normal PS4 didnt run better and locked 30fps on a Pro without the boost mode? Because that wouldnt have broken anything physics wise etc? Just more stable?

 

[Cynn]

Richard went to bed tonight with a smirk on his face.

Or a look of horror thinking of editing hours and hours of new videos. lol

 

[leeh]

If Rainbow Six Siege, uncapped(toggle) and a frame rate counter, is an indication it's most likely using the full extent of the GPU.

I'm outa the loop here, what difference was seen? We talking like 30-40fps difference?

 

[PepperedHam]

But a game as AC Unity wich had problems getting a locked 30fps on normal PS4 didnt run better and locked 30fps on a Pro without the boost mode? Because that wouldnt have broken anything physics wise etc? Just more stable?

It didn't run better without boost mode because prior to this firmware update any games that did not receive a Pro patch forced the Pro to function as a regular PS4. When running Unity the PS4 Pro was just a plain old OG PS4, boost mode takes advantage of everything the Pro has even for non patched games.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Is it using the full extent of the GPU or is it just the clocks? I'd expect huge jumps if it was, but I can imagine you can't really tell from frame caps?

I hope DF can give us the answer to that question....

 

[madmackem]

Playing driveclub man it might because I've not played it in a while but feels super smooth I know it was a pretty much locked game but it feels better now and loading is next to nothing off my external.

 

[bombshell]

But a game as AC Unity wich had problems getting a locked 30fps on normal PS4 didnt run better and locked 30fps on a Pro without the boost mode? Because that wouldnt have broken anything physics wise etc? Just more stable?

What about the rest of the 1000+ games in the PS4 library?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I'm outa the loop here, what difference was seen? We talking like 30-40fps difference?

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6x5XZYaUHw

 

[leeh]

Yes.

Just seen the thread. Awesome stuff.

 

[kristianity77]

Hearing that Yakuza 0 plays a bit faster in boost mode worries me. Sounds like that glitchy stuff that happens when you force a locked FPS open on certain PC ports.

Switching boost mode on and off just works right? No need to restart the console or anything?

I've given yakuza 0 more time than any other game when testing out boost mode and it doesn't play any faster anywhere. It's exactly the same you just don't get the screen tearing anymore. People saying stuff like the camera spins faster and what have you are not correct. It's smoother which can be mistaken for faster I guess but the game is identical across normal and boost mode apart from performance gains.

 

[PepperedHam]

I've given yakuza 0 more time than any other game when testing out boost mode and it doesn't play any faster anywhere. It's exactly the same you just don't get the screen tearing anymore. People saying stuff like the. Amara spins faster and what have you are not correct. It's smoother which can be mistaken for faster I guess but the game is identical across normal and boost mode apart from performance gains.

Big thanks for the clarification! I shall go forth into the boost.

 

[LudicrousSpeed]

But a game as AC Unity wich had problems getting a locked 30fps on normal PS4 didnt run better and locked 30fps on a Pro without the boost mode? Because that wouldnt have broken anything physics wise etc? Just more stable?

Remember, before Boost Mode, playing non-Pro patched games on a Pro was identical to playing them on a non-Pro because all the extra hardware of the Pro was locked away to make it functionally identical to the non-Pro.

They didn't want to unlock the extra hardware due to concerns it might cause problems with already released games (and it seems like some games do have actual problems with Boost Mode enabled). Boost Mode is just the ability to say "OK, I get it, this probably wasn't tested, unlock the hardware anyway."

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Is it using the full extent of the GPU or is it just the clocks? I'd expect huge jumps if it was, but I can imagine you can't really tell from frame caps?

From the Eurogamer article, Sony gave them this update.

UPDATE 3/2/17 8:45pm: Sony has confirmed boost mode and offered a statement about its capabilities. According to word received by The Verge, boost mode "lets PS4 Pro run at a higher GPU and CPU clock speed in order to improve gameplay on some PS4 games that were released before the launch of PS4 Pro. Games that have a variable frame rate may benefit from a higher frame rate, and load times may be shorter in some games too."

It does seem to allow games to use the extra GPU and CPU speed / power but they don't say if it's using all of the extra power.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Oh wow, cool. Has anything been found to be notably broken yet? This could be fun for speedrunning.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Oh wow, cool. Has anything been found to be notably broken yet? This could be fun for speedrunning.

One game, forgot which one, crashes when Boost mode is enabled.

 

[bombshell]

From the Eurogamer article, Sony gave them this update.



It does seem to allow games to use the extra GPU and CPU speed / power but they don't say if it's using all of the extra power.

Yeah, if they're still locking the mirror half of the GPU needs confirmation.

 

[madmackem]

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6x5XZYaUHw

Wow is that the terroist hunt mode which was 30fps?.

 

[Theorry]

What about the rest of the 1000+ games in the PS4 library?

Was just a example. Really thought the Pro was already using its power to help to get a more solid targeted framerate for the games. 30fps or 60fps.

 

[leeh]

From the Eurogamer article, Sony gave them this update.



It does seem to allow games to use the extra GPU and CPU speed / power but they don't say if it's using all of the extra power.

Thanks. Looks like it's just using the clock speeds of the Pro then and not the other half of the GPU?

Still, looks impressive and the other half of the GPU would be wasted with caps anyway.

 

[anothertech]

I'm outa the loop here, what difference was seen? We talking like 30-40fps difference?

Clocked at 110fps at one point. Holy Shit territory, yes.

 

[michalmarek77]

More tests.
Broforce works like a charm. No matter what's going on game seems to be locked at 60 fps.
Strange thing with Tembo the Badass Elephant. Game doeesn't start at all with firmware 4.5 beta. It freezes right after splash screen - game loads infinitely. Checked on Turbo and without. Strange.
I may download this once again to check if this help (when PSN will be back in Europe).

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

More tests.
Broforce works like a charm. No matter what's going on game seems to be locked at 60 fps.
Strange thing with Tembo the Badass Elephant. Game doeesn't start at all with firmware 4.5 beta. It freezes right after splash screen - game loads infinitely. Checked on Turbo and without. Strange.
I may download this once again to check if this help (when PSN will be back in Europe).

Are you serious? You mean THE BROFORCE that shits all over fps?

 

[leeh]

Clocked at 110fps at one point. Holy Shit territory, yes.

This is a game mode which was locked at 30?! Did anyone get any benchmarks of it without boost with it unlocked?

Go Pro.

 

[TrutaS]

Is this update out? It's on Beta... but I need it now!!

 

[MisterXDTV]

Yeah, if they're still locking the mirror half of the GPU needs confirmation.

CPU Clock from 1.6 to 2.1 Ghz is certain

GPU Clock from 800 to 911 Mhz too

Could that be alone be enough for the improvements we are seeing?

 

[orochi91]

How's The Last Guardian in Boost Mode?

 

[Theonik]

I want eurogamer to retest loading times with the ssd too. Should be a nice boost.

How's The Last Guardian in Boost Mode?

It's already a pro game.

 

[MisterXDTV]

How's The Last Guardian in Boost Mode?

It was already patched for Pro, boost mode doesn't matter

 

[SP17]

Nm .

 

[bombshell]

Was just a example. Really thought the Pro was already using its power to help to get a more solid targeted framerate for the games. 30fps or 60fps.

That seemed to be the general public consensus that the Pro needed to do just that, but for 100% compatibility reasons it didn't do it for non-patched games until now where the power can be unlocked with a system setting at the user's discretion.

 

[Tyaren]

How's The Last Guardian in Boost Mode?

TLG is a Pro patched game. Only non-patched games profit from boost mode.

 

[NXGamer]

If Rainbow Six Siege, uncapped(toggle) and a frame rate counter, is an indication it's most likely using the full extent of the GPU. I wonder if Sony unshackled the CPU as well.
That's been the discussions since it first became known that the Pro wouldn't increase performance for non-Pro titles. Sony now seems to agree by giving control to the user.

Being the same family/identical this would be the easiest part and a given. The Gpu is what would be the most volatile under calls/commands.

 

[orochi91]

I want eurogamer to retest loading times with the ssd too. Should be a nice boost.


It's already a pro game.

It was already patched for Pro, boost mode doesn't matter

Exactly the same, it already had a pro patch so was using 100% of the pro's power

TLG is a Pro patched game. Only non-patched games profit from boost mode.

I expect it's no different because it already has on-disc Pro support.

Edit: lol so LTTP

Ah, brain-fart on my end, I completely forgot about the Pro modes for TLG.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

How's The Last Guardian in Boost Mode?

I expect it's no different because it already has on-disc Pro support.

Edit: lol so LTTP

 

[kyser73]

Playing driveclub man it might because I've not played it in a while but feels super smooth I know it was a pretty much locked game but it feels better now and loading is next to nothing off my external.

I saw a tweet from Rushy mentioning that the motion blur was throttled depending on GPU load, so presumably that's no longer happening, so that might be why?

I have difficulty believing it loads any quicker tho - still probably the fastest loading game on any console at present.

 

[bombshell]

CPU Clock from 1.6 to 2.1 Ghz is certain

GPU Clock from 800 to 911 Mhz too

Could that be alone be enough for the improvements we are seeing?

No, I don't think so. Rainbow Six Siege doesn't seem like a game that would be CPU bound and the increase in FPS for the terrorist hunt mode with Vsync off seems way too high for just a GPU clock increase. So I'm leaning towards the second half of the GPU being unlocked too.

 

[dracula_x]

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6x5XZYaUHw

it's basically example how Pro-patched games would run on PS5 with boost mode like that

 

[BigEmil]

For ensuring 100% compatibility with non-patched games, Sony locked half of the GPU and the clock speeds of both the CPU and GPU to the exact clocks of PS4 when running those.

Now they have removed that lock and downclock when the user enables the option, which has a disclaimer that it may break some games.

Edit: To further answer to your comparison to Xbox One S.

XB1 S has the exact same architecture as XB1, just with a slight CPU upclock.

PS4 Pro has a much more different architecture, where one part of the GPU is exactly like the regular PS4 GPU and the other part is a mirror of it, on top of higher clocks for both CPU and GPU.

Yeah

I saw a tweet from Rushy mentioning that the motion blur was throttled depending on GPU load, so presumably that's no longer happening, so that might be why?

I have difficulty believing it loads any quicker tho - still probably the fastest loading game on any console at present.

Boost mode does improve loading speeds

 

[kyser73]

Yeah, if they're still locking the mirror half of the GPU needs confirmation.

CPU Clock from 1.6 to 2.1 Ghz is certain

GPU Clock from 800 to 911 Mhz too

Could that be alone be enough for the improvements we are seeing?

UPDATE 3/2/17 8:45pm: Sony has confirmed boost mode and offered a statement about its capabilities. According to word received by The Verge, boost mode "lets PS4 Pro run at a higher GPU and CPU clock speed in order to improve gameplay on some PS4 games that were released before the launch of PS4 Pro. Games that have a variable frame rate may benefit from a higher frame rate, and load times may be shorter in some games too."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...de-makes-standard-ps4-games-run-more-smoothly

 

[viHuGi]

it's basically example how Pro-patched games would run on PS5 with boost mode like that

Ps5 will be a much bigger gap than Pro, possibly 4x time as powerful as Pro.

 

[SP17]

Ah, brain-fart on my end, I completely forgot about the Pro modes for TLG.

Its so easy to get excited about games that could benefit from this, only to realise the 'boost' has already gone into resolution/ more demanding effects in an already released pro patch :/

 

[Caayn]

No, I don't think so. Rainbow Six Siege doesn't seem like a game that would be CPU bound and the increase in FPS for the terrorist hunt mode with Vsync off seems way too high for just a GPU clock increase. So I'm leaning towards the second half of the GPU being unlocked too.

Rainbow Six Siege is actually CPU bound in t-hunt mode. All modes in Rainbow with AI operate at a low framerate than the competitive multiplayer modes.