Kazuma Kiryu
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hey look, the wiiU fans arrived.
TWO HUNDRED WATTS?!? <reaches for sunblock>
hey look, the wiiU fans arrived.
PS3 drew around 209W during peak wattage consumption on its first iteration. Go get your sunblock.
LoL, it was only a matter of time.
With Jaguar CPUs AKA Kabini there is TDP budget for a larger GPU 2.2 TFlops (Remember we want 10X PS3 GPU power (SPUs + RSX)). 1 SoC appears to be the goal though...that's considerably cheaper than having two memory pools and 2 power supplies to support APU and discrete GPU (motherboard contains power supplies for 1.3V or whatever the APU and GPU needs (5V main supply is converted to lower voltages for memory and APU)).http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1676847&postcount=15270 said:I think the potential a10 in the dev kit is only a stop gap solution that's closer to the final hardware. It's only used because its what's available now commercially.
Trinity is a 32nm product, I think the PS4 will be a 28nm product. I don't think shrinking trinity to 28nm would be as worthwhile as just going with a 28nm Kaveri derivative. The power and area savings I think are too good to pass up.
My guess (based upon the earlier rumors) is that the dev kit progression is something like this a8-3850 plus 7670 GPU to a10 derivative plus some GPU to a final silicon of a 28nm APU That has the equivalent compute power of a 3850+7670 but in one chip, about 1.2-1.5 TFlops.
With minor differences, below is my view also
With Jaguar CPUs AKA Kabini there is TDP budget for a larger GPU 2.2 TFlops (Remember we want 10X PS3 GPU power (SPUs + RSX)).
7970 is a beastly GPU...Can't wait for the next gen!
No, I'm saying that the MIN mentioned by Sony is 10X or 1.8 Tflops. If it's possible to get more performance within a price and TDP budget they will do so. If sweetvar26 is correct they changed to jaguar CPUs which makes way in the TDP and price budget (both size/cost and power) for a larger GPU.So are you saying it'll be close to 3.0 TF?
With gamers getting antsy for next-generation consoles, VG247 is reporting that development kits for Sony’s (SNE) PlayStation 4 (code-named “Orbis” have already been sent out to developers. VG247′s sources claim there are four versions of the dev kit and the one just shipped out is a “modified PC” based on AMD’s (AMD) A10 APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) that combines a CPU and GPU on a single chip to run games in 1080p resolution at 60 frames per second in 3D without any slowdown. Dev kits are said to have between 8GB and 16GB of RAM, 256GB of storage (it’s not clear if that’s SSD or a hard drive), an optical drive for Blu-ray playback and all the standard inputs/outputs found on the PlayStation 3 including HDMI, Ethernet and Wi-Fi.
But before you fall off your seat, do remember that dev kits often have higher specs and more RAM for debugging purposes. The final product might be less powerful.
VG247′s report also says that the dev kits aren’t made in Japan (a first) and are designed with a UI that allows users to easily jump in and out of open games and applications and install updates in the background.
The PlayStation 4 will reportedly be “very affordable.” BGR exclusively reported in August that the PlayStation 4 would run games and video content at 4K resolution.
VG247 says it believes the PS4 will be announced before E3 2013.
[...] very affordable [...] means either Sony subsidizes the PS4 heavily or it simply won't be so powerfull and there really is only a APU.
Also the A10 has a 128 bit wide DDR3 memory which does not have enough bandwidth for 300 FPS.
hey look, the wiiU fans arrived.
If sweetvar26 is correct
AMD's Eyefinity can support multiple monitors at the same time. If you add up the FPS for each monitor and assume 1080P@60hz for each and 5 monitors as in the picture I posted or the Sony slide show it equals 300 FPS. That is one case, your input camera and other configurations of displays another. It's a way to calculate the bandwidth needed by the video streams being moved in memory at the same time.The PS4 is not going to support 300 FPS output. However, supporting input from a 300 FPS PSeye wouldn't strike me as out of the question with the PS3's already doing 120FPS and Sony make 300fps sensors. The article didn't mention whether it was input or output but I'd argue latency below 50ms is more important for an input camera than rendering.
Don't sweat it.... Sony should leak occasionally to keep the speculation game going. To my mind they have done so in lectures to other professionals. AMD has done the same. The last few cites have been slide shows (2011) from both AMD and Sony to professionals not the press. 300FPS from Sony = AMD new memory interface in 2014 designs.sweetvar26 said:I wish I can talk more from now on...
http://www.rage3d.com/interviews/manju_hegde_state_of_hsa/ said:The final mystery about the HSA Foundation is who will fill the final tile space on the web page, it's likely already decided with each member choosing when they announce their membership. I can think of a few candidates that might be interested in being part of the HSA, like Broadcom, IBM, Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft and Sony? Well, they both design their own hardware, in Microsoft's case have successfully worked with AMD in the past, and AMD is rumored to be the platform provider for both next gen consoles with custom IP designs. Will the next generation of Sony Playstation and XBOX be powered by AMD APUs, GCN architecture variant, and will they be Bulldozer family architecture - or Jaguar family?
MS buying sony? come on man...you really are not serious are you?
And sweetvar, why? Can't you even drop hints anymore?
I'm going out a limb and offer my prediction on all this ps4/720 spec analysis. 720 seems to have shifted a lot from rumored PPC/ARM to AMD x86. 720/ps4 specs are now looking identical.
-If I had to guess... MS will buy Sony this year. Terms were probably agreed upon recently.
My guess is a spec truce was agreed upon so each side didnt loose billions again and relationships formed from there.
Reasons.
1. Sony is struggling in almost all hardware categories and losing money. They're cheap and unfocused as a company. They have a great brand that is slowly fading.
2. Apple has shown everyone you have to control a software/hardware ecosystem.
3. The old fight for the living room doesn't even make sense anymore.
4. The 'wintel' monopoly days are slowly ending. MS sees the writing on the wall and will have change a lot if it wants to survive as a top dog.
4. MS needs hardware design for phones, tablets, set top boxes, smart tvs.
5. Neither is going to beat the other for console dominance. MS has shown it can successfully use a console as bridgehead into the living room and generate revenue. Sony has been much less successful at this. (and thats being kind).
6. It makes sense, each offers something the other lacks.
Stranger things have happened in business.. Apple and Valve are getting ready to enter the TV fight.
Sony is worth about 15 Billion dollars and has lots of pissed of investors. MS is worth 250 Billion.
Its a crazy theory but it fits a lot of behavior. Huge change in 360 silicon rumors. Neither company even hinting console plans.
I wish I can talk more from now on...
Stranger things have happened in business.. Apple and Valve are getting ready to enter the TV fight.
Sony is worth about 15 Billion dollars and has lots of pissed of investors. MS is worth 250 Billion.
Its a crazy theory but it fits a lot of behavior. Huge change in 360 silicon rumors. Neither company even hinting console plans.
MS and Sony would add zero value to one another. ZERO.
What an insane idea.
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BY3D is starting to speculate on identical hardware in Xbox3 and PS4 due to information generated in BY3D by posts copied from NeoGAF. A rethink of the business ramifications in microsoft-sony.com and Microsoft and Sony working together and the points recently brought up follows. Microsoft buying Sony is a stretch and I don't think it's happening because Sony is issuing bonds that will dilute the stock value to generate money (rather than sell real estate in the current market) to finance XTV-Cloud infrastructure and purchasing a stake in companies that have medical imaging. PSN services and their optical division are the key thrusts. PSN services means a cheap PS4 is likely.1. Sony appears to be doing a lot better in it's efforts to turn around their business and are on course to make a profit this year.
2. This is a side point. Unless you mean MS should buy Sony to compete with Apple.
3. Why not?
4. MS was never top dog in the living room.
4. ( this is your second reason number 4 btw, but I'll go with the error, just to be parallel with your list). They don't need additional hardware designs, but sure buying Sony gives you that side.
5. If generating revenue is all important, the ps3 being more expensive, and with the vita, Ps2, Sony has consistently generated more revenue, no? I could be wrong though.
6. Not for the price, it would cost. A merger is also unlikely.
That's some bump.