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kittens
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I remember thinking that about the PSP, and even more so about the Vita. It's funny how these things work out sometimes. Sony can be pretty good at shitting away sure wins.
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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
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I don't understand what is being said here.
You can't be serious?
That's where I stand. When comparing the two right now, you have a column full of legitimate info from Sony and a column full of asterisks on the Microsoft side because nothing is confirmed from Microsoft. I get there are rumors that run together, but they are still just rumors. I'll ultimately get both, but depending on what Microsoft brings to the table will lead me to decide which I get first.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
500 dollars is not expensive for a console that we will be using in 2023+...
Especially considering how much more consoles do now than they did in 2005.
We paid $400 in 2005 for what was primarily a gaming machine that could rip some music and play some game trailers. And most of us at the time thought we would be paying another 400 dollars for Xbox 3 in 2009-10.
Now in 2013 we call an entertainment box that has Movies, TV, Music, Game Media, The Web, Social Media, Blu Ray player, a robust Arcade Marketplace, with cutting edge full voice and motion control integrated, etc etc etc
in addition to the core function of gaming console,
and one that will last at least twice as long as previously expected,
expensive.....?
Common people.
Especially considering how much more consoles do now than they did in 2005.
We paid $400 in 2005 for what was primarily a gaming machine that could rip some music and play some game trailers. And most of us at the time thought we would be paying another 400 dollars for Xbox 3 in 2009-10.
Now in 2013 we call an entertainment box that has Movies, TV, Music, Game Media, The Web, Social Media, Blu Ray player, a robust Arcade Marketplace, with cutting edge full voice and motion control integrated, etc etc etc
in addition to the core function of gaming console,
and one that will last at least twice as long as previously expected,
expensive.....?
Common people.
Yes, pay $300 upfront then whatever the subscription amount is later at certain intervals.
basically, yes
LowParry
Member
10 cows.
Prescription, subscription, where is the difference? ;-)
Domcorleone
Member
If its 500 I'm assuming its probably more powerful than the ps4
Are you using the same console you were using then? With no extra accessories, like an HDD, bought? Is it refurbished, or not?
But if MS's current subscription offering is any indicator, it would be 14.99 a month. So total lifetime cost of that console (assuming 14.99 for 2 years plus 299 up front) would be $658. Ouch.
RukusProvider
Banned
$500 is actually sounds quite promising. I'm looking forward to see what they can pump into a $500 package.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
you know how you have to pay additional up front fee on contract because the value of the phone? $300 up front plus tarriff
I wonder if a protection plan is included, or is that a add on
GoofsterStud
Member
To put it in perspective the current $99 barebone xbox requires 2 years of 14.99 Xbox Live Gold.
Making it $458.76 barebone console and live for 2 years
For those who don't play online games, that's just a huge rip off.
Also if you pay $299 for a nicer xbox and $59.99 a year for live.
Makes it out to $418.98 for a premium console and live for 2 years (That is if you don't find a deal)
Kinetic is still $100 and you are looking for a more technically advanced and costly Kinetic Device. This has Wii-U written all over it but a camera instead of a tablet.
The Kinetic 2 probably costs $150... I doubt it'll be more powerful. Rumors also suggest that PS4 will be more powerful.
BadAss2961
Member
Main sku is going to be $499, $449 the absolute cheapest. Anyone thinking lower than that is being a bit unreasonable.
The only amount i've seen so far is 300 pound. Which would put it at the 450 dollar mark.
However, it came from The Sun newspaper. Which could mean its utter BS or Murdoch's mob has hacked Kaz's mobile phone
It's expensive for a console that is weaker than the PS4 and requires you to be connected to the Internet to use.
Glorified G
Member
Is that you Chad Warden?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Define 'main' sku? Are you saying there will be a cheaper skew?
LowParry
Member
I'm betting that we'll see a a cheap $399 SKU in addition to that.
CouldBeWorse
Member
Microsoft's new moneyhatting policy - buy off all of the doctors. Start with little old ladies and work your way back down to the "bro" gamers.
But they'll probably make it 2yr 15$/month like they did for the 99$ 360, which would be the opposite of a good deal.
Miles Quaritch
Member
WOW! MS have officially lost the plot if they think they can charge $500 for what they are offering. Jesus Christ, the level of arrogance and hubris on display is shocking, far exceeds anything seen by Sony.
WOW!
WOW!
That's the appeal of this for Microsoft. Make something new "cheap" by making it a subsidized product where they make their money back plus more over the life of the contract you agree to.
It's really a brilliant move for Microsoft. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Sony try it eventually.
I actually think thats what we will get at launch but a 'Halo Trilogy' instead, i think they will save Halo 4 for a future trilogy pack or something.
Kun Aguero
Member
$500!! wtf, just wow. I'd be really surprised if that's true. I expect Sony to come in quite a bit cheaper than that. This could turn into a bloodbath if Sony launch 10% to 20% cheaper.
CouldBeWorse
Member
You don't know if it would be a good deal or not until you know what services Microsoft will be including. And for what price.
Is that you, Ken Kutaragi?
All this negative buzz is just insane. No way it's intentional misdirection it's doing them too much harm at this point. I guess I just was assuming they'd be able would put together a pretty good package for the next Xbox but all these rumours are making it sound completely unappealing. It's crazy. I still think they will have moneyhatted some megaton 3rd party exclusive that to generate excitement.
BadAss2961
Member
The best model, like the 60GB PS3 was.
Mind you, none of this (or the rumored specs) are confirmed
But yeah, we have no frame of reference as whether this really is expensive or reasonable.
Ninja Scooter
Member
YOu are going to be in for a rude awakening. Wouldn't surprise me if they are both $499. This isn't 2006 anymore. Console makers probably think they can get away with a higher price point considering what people spend on cell phones and tablets.
grimshawish
Banned
I wonder if Ballmer even had a strategy meeting after the utter disaster that was the Windows 8 and Tablet push?
It was obvious that this year was to see Windows expand in numerous devices and Xbox 8 (or infinity sign bull) conquer the living room. All of the ecosystems feeding into each others digital purchases, apps and what not.
Instead Windows 8 was treated like the pos it is and Windows Surface went flopity flopity flop.
Windows 8 Mobile range had mediocre success with the Lumia (which did well but for a success they basically need all W8 phones selling well); and I question the business sense of the Lumia as MS must have sunk huge marketing costs into a device that doesn't seem well positioned for the 'next generation' sales cycle.
So Xbox Infinity (8) will come out...with the same flawed strategy as these devices, high priced, over dependence on marketing, lack of a target market (Windows 8 is a tablet OS aimed at the desktop market and is a desktop OS aimed at the tablet market, its ridiculous), poor MS branding and revealing.
Yet it also won't be some inter-connected great network; just a muddle of stuff some people own one part of and then are missing Surface or Xbox or the phone of. It'll be just the new Xbox, always online, always Kinect, expensive, lacking compared to the PS4 (we might not see this that visibly tbf - especially at launch), in need of first party revival (Sony aren't in much better shape and should have learned from the PS3/Vita debacles, but MS are in the same position - makes me worry for both PS4/Durango for the first year or so).
This was all a big strategy and tbh; with no rumoured big changes to the Durango...I worry the strategy has not changed to reflect areas of concern. I don't think MS's vision is correct and I don't think they understand the customers buying decision in regards to a lot of tech devices and digital content. It seems flawed and their own devices reflect this at market.
We'll see but I feel MS is aiming Durango at a audience that doesn't actually exist.
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$99 360 is actually exciting though and the second SKU does make a lot more sense now.
It was obvious that this year was to see Windows expand in numerous devices and Xbox 8 (or infinity sign bull) conquer the living room. All of the ecosystems feeding into each others digital purchases, apps and what not.
Instead Windows 8 was treated like the pos it is and Windows Surface went flopity flopity flop.
Windows 8 Mobile range had mediocre success with the Lumia (which did well but for a success they basically need all W8 phones selling well); and I question the business sense of the Lumia as MS must have sunk huge marketing costs into a device that doesn't seem well positioned for the 'next generation' sales cycle.
So Xbox Infinity (8) will come out...with the same flawed strategy as these devices, high priced, over dependence on marketing, lack of a target market (Windows 8 is a tablet OS aimed at the desktop market and is a desktop OS aimed at the tablet market, its ridiculous), poor MS branding and revealing.
Yet it also won't be some inter-connected great network; just a muddle of stuff some people own one part of and then are missing Surface or Xbox or the phone of. It'll be just the new Xbox, always online, always Kinect, expensive, lacking compared to the PS4 (we might not see this that visibly tbf - especially at launch), in need of first party revival (Sony aren't in much better shape and should have learned from the PS3/Vita debacles, but MS are in the same position - makes me worry for both PS4/Durango for the first year or so).
This was all a big strategy and tbh; with no rumoured big changes to the Durango...I worry the strategy has not changed to reflect areas of concern. I don't think MS's vision is correct and I don't think they understand the customers buying decision in regards to a lot of tech devices and digital content. It seems flawed and their own devices reflect this at market.
We'll see but I feel MS is aiming Durango at a audience that doesn't actually exist.
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$99 360 is actually exciting though and the second SKU does make a lot more sense now.
Why would game prices go up? From what is being said from developers, they will see a small increase in production costs but not nearly what it was from the xbox to the 360 and PS2 to PS3.
Also, if the CEO of Gamestop has been talking to Microsoft and not coming out angry, I think there pretty good chance used games will still be in play. Just no BC, which is expected.
Really? I bought a Vita on launch, but even I knew it was going to be a commercial flop. Just looking at the market it was going into it, it was never going to be an easy task for the Vita to get any sort of attention.
Not because of anything Sony really did, but because of the reality: Dedicated handheld gaming isn't particularly mainstream anymore. Especially the kind Sony are good at.
Right. At least 30% to 40% of us won't be using even 3/4ths of these new options. We only want to play the latest games with the newest gaming improvements. Not waving your hands to configure your special gun in the options menu. I don't even give two fucks about accurately mimicking archery shots or dance steps, and Mickey has been trying to sell us on that for what, 4+ years now? And I certainly don't care about downloading music or watching movies or sending tweets or doing Facebook on my game machine. We want better games and better gaming, and the only revolution in that is coming from a company that isn't Microsoft or Sony, and is compatible with PC gaming too. So again this is them trying to sell us on their "life entertainment device", when all we really want is to play the best games. When that becomes a hassle and an investment instead of a simple choice of "yeah I loved the last sequel of RocketJumperGunner 4, I want to play the next one" and you're considering what you'll be doing 8 years down the line? That's too much of a commitment, and I already have a love/hate relationship with my old Xbox.
If they really wanted to offer me more, they'd do it. What they're doing now is trying to justify this device.
dreamer3kx
Member
$500 would be a mistake for both consoles, too much for most people these days to pay for a gaming console.
