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Yes? What do you think terrorism is?
I tend to think an act of terrorism involves a goal of mass deaths and inflicting fear, not one murder, and then a speech for not forgetting a past event.
Yes? What do you think terrorism is?
Yes? What do you think terrorism is?
Turkey has gone to shit thanks to political Islam. The Turkish ethnic identity never used to be this tied up in Pan-Islamic issues. I feel like I'm watching my country fade away.
I tend to think an act of terrorism involves a goal of mass deaths and inflicting fear, not one murder, and then a speech for not forgetting a past event.
Gunshots are rarely as bloody as what you see in movies
In 1829, the Russian diplomat and writer Alexandr Griboyedov was murdered in the capital of Persia, Tehran. The Russian government demanded severe punishment of those responsible. In fear, the court of Fath 'Alī Shāh sent the Shāh's grandson Khusro Mirzā to Saint Petersburg, where he gave the diamond to the Russian Tsar Nicholas I as a present.
Terrorism has a broad definition.
Well get over it because it is.Too broad, and too easy to label. I just can't get behind the idea that this is terrorism, instead of a very clear murder/assassination.
Too broad, and too easy to label. I just can't get behind the idea that this is terrorism, instead of a very clear murder/assassination.
I tend to think an act of terrorism involves a goal of mass deaths and inflicting fear, not one murder, and then a speech for not forgetting a past event.
Terrorism is, in its broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence (terror or fear) in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim.
the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
As far as I can see it, murdering diplomats is a pretty good way to delegitimize your legitimate grievances, at least on a personal level.
Is it political Islam? Or the fact that Turkey shares a border with a country undergoing a brutal civil War?
AKP have ruined Turkey.
There is no way Turkey recovers from the injustice Erdogan has committed over the past decade. Totalitarian figure who keeps fucking over the country turning it into a vile place filled with Islamist nationalist. This is what he encourages via his regime.
.. Turkey used to be a gem of a place.
Dont know about thatI don't think the word terrorism should be used unless the target is civilian, personally.
I like that you cite a fallen empire when arguing against Turkey falling.We have recovered from a cesspool that is Ottoman Empire.
We will recover from Erdogan.
I get that we live in a world where many people want to "re-write" the definitions of words in the 'English' language to meet their "standards", but no, terrorism, or acts of terrorism does not need to be about groups.
The definitions of the term are fine, as are the multi-faceted uses of it. Russia are not wrong to call this an act of terrorism. As much as Russia itself is wrong with so much of what it is currently doing. An individual can commit an act of terrorism and it's correctly stated as so.
That's not a working definition of terrorism.I tend to think an act of terrorism involves a goal of mass deaths and inflicting fear, not one murder, and then a speech for not forgetting a past event.
This is an incredibly stupid definition of terrorism that isn't used by anyone. By this logic you would discount the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings as acts of terrorism.I don't think the word terrorism should be used unless the target is civilian, personally.
There isn't a universally agreed-upon definition of terrorism and its disingenuous at best to pretend that there is one.
It's legitimate to make the argument that the targeted assassination of a significant government official like an ambassador is not an attempt at spreading terror among civilians but simply to send a message to a government, and that it is better classified as a different form of political violence. That is not in any way an expression of support for the event. Personally I don't have an issue with calling this terrorism but one can make valid arguments for both more restrictive and more expansive definitions.
ANKARA, Turkey A gunman in a suit and tie shouted slogans about Syrias civil war after he killed Russias ambassador to Turkey in front of stunned onlookers at a photo exhibition in the Turkish capital on Monday, according to an Associated Press photographer who witnessed the shooting. Police later killed the assailant, Turkish station NTV reported.
Russias Foreign Ministry called it a terrorist attack.
We consider this to have been a terrorist attack, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said. Terrorism will not pass. We will fight it decisively.
Ambassador Andrei Karlov, 62, was several minutes into a speech at the embassy-sponsored exhibition in Ankara when a man fired at least eight shots, according to the AP photographer in the audience.
So I have to scour through 11 pages? OK.
This is your only post between telling me to learn to read and incorrectly saying this is the same as WWI. Thanks for talking down when you still can't explain your viewpoint.
That reads like a post-modernist statement. By that logic any time someone comes along and says "I don't think there is an agree-upon definition" we get ourselves where we are often when people act like their opinion trumps logic and reason.
We do have pretty sound understandings of terrorism and what it is, an onus is on individuals or groups who cannot bring it to themselves to accept the definition.
Not the rest of us to hold our thoughts and allow everyone and anyone to tell us we are wrong.
No, we don't. The application of the label "terrorism" by politicians and the media is incredibly arbitrary and there is not a consensus on its meaning in the academic literature.
EDIT: just saw your edit.
You're deluding yourself if you think there is a "rest of us" that completely agrees about the definition of terrorism.
And he's Russian....wouldn't they kinda NOT like the Nazi's.....?
I like that you cite a fallen empire when arguing against Turkey falling.
Both. I wish we were an island.Is it political Islam? Or the fact that Turkey shares a border with a country undergoing a brutal civil War?
The media or politicians incorrectly using the term terrorism to describe things does not mean there is anything wrong with the definition(s). Your beef in those situations are with those who seemingly do not know what terrorism is. Or do know, and are simply trying to play an ideological/political game.
I tend to think an act of terrorism involves a goal of mass deaths and inflicting fear, not one murder, and then a speech for not forgetting a past event.
I don't think the word terrorism should be used unless the target is civilian, personally.
Terrorism is the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Are drone attacks, acts of terrorism?
Are drone attacks, acts of terrorism?
This is an incredibly stupid definition of terrorism that isn't used by anyone. By this logic you would discount the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings as acts of terrorism.
That's not a working definition of terrorism.
The speech he gave said "As long as our towns are not safe, you will not enjoy safety." That's a clear attempt at incitement of fear, violence and intimidation.
This is an incredibly stupid definition of terrorism that isn't used by anyone. By this logic you would discount the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings as acts of terrorism.
You, and Turkey, have my sympathies. Keep in mind this sort of Islamization is happening in pretty much every Sunni country...it's not a specifically Turkish failure.Turkey has gone to shit thanks to political Islam. The Turkish ethnic identity never used to be this tied up in Pan-Islamic issues. I feel like I'm watching my country fade away.
Turkey has gone to shit thanks to political Islam. The Turkish ethnic identity never used to be this tied up in Pan-Islamic issues. I feel like I'm watching my country fade away.
Fucking hell. It's "little" shit like this that starts "big" shit. Hopefully Russia does not go off on the deep end and spark a war.
Is that actually the killer and victim?
Fucking hell. It's "little" shit like this that starts "big" shit. Hopefully Russia does not go off on the deep end and spark a war.
Is that actually the killer and victim?
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"Switch won't be that weak ha ha ha zero chance!"
"This won't trigger World War 3, ha ha ha!"
Fuck. GAF's spirit animal is Michael Pachter
And I just watched some that showed it off? You're point? your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. I can understand you not wanting to see dead bodies, cool. Don't expect everyone else to have some aversion to it when it comes to some important breaking news.
Yes.Is that actually the killer and victim?
Since you agree that there is widespread inconsistency in the usage of the word "terrorism" throughout society, what is your basis for privileging your definition as the only correct one? It can't be that it's agreed upon by political scientists, because there isn't widespread agreement there either. This isn't a question of verifiable fact; there are no studies one can do to discover a natural "true" meaning of a word based on political and societal values.
Nor does one have to label an incident terrorism to deplore it or to consider it criminal, so I'm not really sure why you attack the morality or honesty of people who disagree with you.
Are drone attacks, acts of terrorism?
So you effectively agree with the person you are replying to?
Fucking hell. It's "little" shit like this that starts "big" shit. Hopefully Russia does not go off on the deep end and spark a war.
Is that actually the killer and victim?