excelsiorlef
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So again there's 2 now... some of y'all said you'd need a second... you got it.... Or is it now we're gonna need a third
If this is true, fuck him. Absolutely disgusting.
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I have said nothing about condemnation here. Outside of a personal admission that I probably won't be able to support their content going forward.
It's clear that a lot of you are more interested in defending an accused man than believing a victimized woman. Almost as if you're concerned this could happen to you at some point.
I have said nothing about condemnation here. Outside of a personal admission that I probably won't be able to support their content going forward.
It's clear that a lot of you are more interested in defending an accused man than believing a victimized woman. Almost as if you're concerned this could happen to you at some point.
Was she a guest or did she work there?
Is this the channel that RLM always makes fun of with their nerd crew skit?
And this is what we call a normal reaction.
Be like this person.
Again, and It would be helpful if you adressed this point, out of everyone responding to you at least, they all say they believe her. Also, no one is defending the guy, just the process of establishing guilt.
No I'm not. Because I'm not making a definitive judgement for either side. Saying that someone might be telling the truth isn't the same as saying they're definitely lying, but if you're saying you 100% believe that someone is telling the truth, you're saying that you believe 100% that the other person did what they were accused of.By that logic you're automatically believing the accused if you don't believe the woman.
These aren't people hanging off a cliff asking you to pick one and kick the other down.
Imagine trying to fuck your contest winner... Jesus fucking Christ.
It has happened.
I'm not so sure about public reports like this.
is that so
I don't actually see anyone defending him. I do see you getting called out for making weird(and dangerous) statements though.
Is the dude the one with the big voice in those honest trailers?
At this point, I am beginning to suspect any man who couldn't get laid without money or fame.
Someone saying "I believe her" and then demanding "proof" means that person does not, in fact, believe her.
Good thing I'm safe then!
I don't have the fame.... nor money.... nor laid.
Someone saying "I believe her" and then demanding "proof" means that person does not, in fact, believe her.
I would wait for more accusations to see if this is a pattern or it could really be a stupid ass mistake. The guy is an awkward nerd, maybe it was a one time thing that he really just needa to apologize for. If its a pattern though, then he deserves backlash, but for now i wont pass judgement on a he said/she said.
I would wait for more accusations to see if this is a pattern or it could really be a stupid ass mistake. The guy is an awkward nerd, maybe it was a one time thing that he really just needa to apologize for. If its a pattern though, then he deserves backlash, but for now i wont pass judgement on a he said/she said.
Someone saying "I believe her" and then demanding "proof" means that person does not, in fact, believe her.
Sexual harassment is only sexual harassment if you do it a lot?
I would wait for more accusations to see if this is a pattern or it could really be a stupid ass mistake. The guy is an awkward nerd, maybe it was a one time thing that he really just needa to apologize for. If its a pattern though, then he deserves backlash, but for now i wont pass judgement on a he said/she said.
It's disappointing how often these threads have to devolve into rape culture 101. Always believe victims/survivors. There's so little to gain from accusing someone of harassment (or worse) and everything to lose, yet I guess we have to hound them for proof because of the incredibly small chance they might be lying.
It's disappointing how often these threads have to devolve into rape culture 101. Always believe victims/survivors. There's so little to gain from accusing someone of harassment (or worse) and everything to lose, yet I guess we have to hound them for proof because of the incredibly small chance they might be lying.
Lots of people are shitty, but you're more likely to hear about X popular personality being shitty than you are Dave the Smalltown, Nowhere jacuzzi salesman being shitty.Why so many YouTubers turn out to be shitty people
Nobody is irredeemable. The issue in these situations is that people often either double down (context! witch-hunt!) or go for a non-apology ("i'm sorry if anyone's disappointed in me")
It's not like people can't forgive you if you made a mistake if you:
* are sincere in your apology
* own and denounce your behaviour instead of downplaying it as "joke" or "drunk talk" or "heat of the moment thing" or "locker room talk" - that what you did was not okay, regardless of context or situation.
* behave differently going forward.
A sincere apology (to the person, not "your audience") would be a really easy first step - or at least it should be...
(this isn't specifically about this one case, because repeated behaviour, of course, means you'll have to work much harder to redeem yourself)
Has anyone accused of this behavior ever actually just said "Yep. I did it. I'm not proud of it, I've grown as a person, and I sincerely apologize for hurting this/these women/individuals"? It wouldn't excuse them, but I could respect someone for having the balls to own up to their mistakes and repent for it.
There has been a second. I think that's good enough to say it's not a one time mistake (which would still be gross and terrible and a crime and sexual harassment).
Youre slating the entire games industry as perverts because of a few bad eggs? Good job. This guy is a creep, but not all people are.
I don't think what he is accused of doing in the OP is a crime.
Has anyone accused of this behavior ever actually just said "Yep. I did it. I'm not proud of it, I've grown as a person, and I sincerely apologize for hurting this/these women/individuals"? It wouldn't excuse them, but I could respect someone for having the balls to own up to their mistakes and repent for it.
CinemaSins guy is sexist/misogynist ("this scene doesn't contain a lapdance" and "[actress] isn't my girlfriend") but don't know of anything else.Please lord, let the CinemaSins guy be pure
With the amount of high-profile people turning out to be complete shitstain creeps, the reaction is understandable.
There has been a second. I think that's good enough to say it's not a one time mistake (which would still be gross and terrible and a crime and sexual harassment).
Sexual harassment is only sexual harassment if you do it a lot?
Is it not? I thought sexual harassment this way would be a criminal offense.
Faraci handled his accusations in this way... But then sneakily stayed on the payroll, after announcing that he'd be stepping down, by taking a different job from Tim Leagues under the radar. Hugely disappointing.
The main issue here is the fact that actual "harassment" is a criminal offence - so an apology could be considered self-incrimination.
Which is why they rather use vague language like "mistakes" "lack of respect" "misbehaviour", etc.
So even if you'd want to be sincere, your lawyer would probably advise you not to say "i am a harasser of women" - also, a big part of your audience, would read your admission of 'harassment' and, since they believe harassment only starts when you literally grab someone's private parts (to some, it doesn't even start there), would think you've done things you haven't really done.
Like, admit to "predatory behaviour" and people will think you're a pedophile :/
CinemaSins guy is sexist/misogynist ("this scene doesn't contain a lapdance" and "[actress] isn't my girlfriend") but don't know of anything else.
While I don't know the law in every State (and I'm assuming this happened in America), I've never heard of a superior in a work environment propositioning a subordinate for a sexual favor falling under criminal laws. Not as described in the OP.
It could run afoul of something like Title VII or the State's own version of the law, which could result in civil liability, but even that would depend on whether this situation meets the definition for various things like employer or employee.
I think I've just been taught to not call someone guilty until the guilt is proven, which is why even with belief there, I want to see proof so justice can take place, if that makes any sense.I must be dense, but Im still confused by the idea you can believe a victim yet still demand proof from them. Unless youre their lawyer and youre trying to put a case together, that doesnt sound like you believe them at all.
It's unlawful according to wikipedia.
Unwanted sexual advances in the workplace, that is.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment
I think I've just been taught to not call someone guilty until the guilt is proven, which is why even with belief there, I want to see proof so justice can take place, if that makes any sense.
It feels wrong to call someone guilty without that.
That's why I think it's great a second person came forward. Terrible that there is a second person, of course.