Reuters seems to believe its gone, 2 senators seem to think it's not. We'll likely know more later today...
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Senate health-care draft repeals Obamacare taxes, bigger subsidies for low-income
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Reuters seems to believe its gone, 2 senators seem to think it's not. We'll likely know more later today...
Resident_UA
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This is confusing as fuck (probably on purpose). So it doesn't look as a huge change to the people who are actually getting benefits of Obamacare as long as you live in Blue state... Correct?
Protesters of the Senate's #HealthcareBill forcibly taken out of their wheelchairs outside of McConnell's office:
https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/877915310526939136
#justfollowingorders
https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/877915310526939136
#justfollowingorders
balladofwindfishes
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For the most part, other than the gutting of Medicaid. But even then, it won't hurt blue states as much as red.
RPGCrazied
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Go back a page or two, we know. But yea, this is what 3rd world countries look like. How America has fallen.
JadedWriter
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There is no defending this shit.
Resident_UA
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I wonder what the catch is... Sure, this might not bite them in the ass in 2018 but by 2020 the Red states sure will start feeling this. I guess Republicans don't give a shit as long as they keep winning elections.
RPGCrazied
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I'll make due. But I'm in Texas, a red state. And if this bill is allowing states to do what they want, I'm screwed even more.
My city voted for Trump like 63% over her in the election.
The "stabilization funds" are just going to be subsidies paid directly to insurers to "keep premiums down", I assume?
EDIT: also lol @ ending Medicaid expansion provides "fairness to non-expansion states."
This is fucking awful
Bigboss242
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The new America.
PandaPandaPanda
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UnObtainium17
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Lightning_Roller
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We all miss the man who had a way with words and actually made America seem well respected for 8 years.
So true.
Angelus Errare
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The elderly are fuuuuuuuucked under this bill. GOP really trying to cull their own voting base.
Lightning_Roller
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And yet, stupid republicans will still vote R. It's a shame really that people are too damn stupid to connect the dots and realize they are voting for their own demise.
SomePerson
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I was looking at the trending tag for this on Twitter and it's completely filled with people cheering this on. I just...I can't handle it. There's no getting through to these people. No empathy, they genuinely think everyone who can't afford healthcare are just lazy moochers. They will follow Trump into the void. We truly are all fucked.
Edit: Like...there's one guy I ran across who flat out said 'You have the right to guns, not healthcare.'. I just...I can't. These people love death, I guess.
Edit: Like...there's one guy I ran across who flat out said 'You have the right to guns, not healthcare.'. I just...I can't. These people love death, I guess.
DrForester
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ACA vs. GOP stuff: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/22/p...th-care-bill0942PMVODtopPhoto&linkId=39001164
Comparing big points in clean and easy-to-read way.
Comparing big points in clean and easy-to-read way.
balladofwindfishes
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Heller is now a hard no, per a press conference a little while ago.
Adding him with Rand, and they can't afford any more Nos
Adding him with Rand, and they can't afford any more Nos
The goal of the GOP IMHO is to win in 2018 and spend the next two years changing the voter laws so much that there is no possible way for the Dems to get a majority again. So you make Trumpcare not start killing people until after 2018 and by 2020 it doesn't matter they can't vote you out.
IggyChooChoo
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Apologies for reposting this from my comment in the PoliGAF thread, but i think it helps illustrate how bad this bill is: anecdotally a friend who works at a health care network in my city is tentatively estimating 10,000 of their patients alone are going to lose health insurance by the end of the year as a result of this bill. Shit is going to hit home hard and fast, and create a lot of desperate people here.
THE:MILKMAN
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Keep at them as you are doing good work.
It amazes me that a whole nation find it acceptable to have a multi year/lifelong debt in addition to the very high insurance premiums payed in lots of cases.
To quote Trump....Sad!
It is especially bad because it very likely is beyond the point of no return as far as real change to a single payer system is concerned.
Autodidact
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Crossposting from PoliGAF:
The bill will have a mandate. Remember what they bitched about endlessly?
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/24/15867614/senate-health-waiting-period
The bill will have a mandate. Remember what they bitched about endlessly?
https://www.vox.com/2017/6/24/15867614/senate-health-waiting-period
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Maybe this will get Cruz, Lee, and Paul against the bill.
Still not getting any hopes up for it failing until I see the votes.
Mr. Wonderful
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I'm imagining a scenario where they keep compromising until they reinvent Obamacare over and over again.
False Witness
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It's literally going to end up being mandated payments to rich folks from poor folks by the end of this.
So at the end of the day, the GOP's "repeal and replace" is basically just cut taxes, reduce Medicaid funding, and a one-year defund of PP?
They're going to throw half the deck chairs overboard, rearrange the other half, slap an (R) on the damn thing and tell their constituents they've fixed everything. And said constituents will fall for it.
Aaron Strife
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Let's be clear, the GOP never had an ideological objection to Obamacare, they just hated that the Democrats would get credit for it.
If McCain had won in 08 he could have passed the same damn thing with 80 Senate votes.
That being said, this bill will still screw everyone over should it pass. Gutting the subsidies and Medicaid is still a huge problem. They're leaving the framework of the Affordable Care Act intact while removing everything that makes it tenable.
Mr. Wonderful
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Exactly. I'm not seeing how this actually solves the problems with the ACA, rather than actually just making it more unstable.
The Senate GOP thinks that will pass the House because? Even if it is only a waiting period that is still a penalty and anyway I'm confused, if they don't have continuous coverage they can't buy insurance at all for six months? Even at an inflated rate?
powersurge
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So let me guess I'll still be without insurance (Florida don't qualify for medicade or through employer and Obamacare subsidies so I'd have to fork out $1k a month) and my mother's premium will go through the roof due to them stripping out large amount of subsidies which will cause her to have to now pay a penalty for not having insurance? Fuck this.
It didn't fuck the poor enough. Now everybody has to pay, even without insurance. Nobody pays less. Amazing.
Edit: Unless they expect the bill to fail. Adding the mandate seems like poison pill to make Rand Paul and Cruz say no.
RPGCrazied
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I thought the penalty was one of the reasons they hated Obamacare? What a total shitshow.
DrForester
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So, they're going to fuck over the poor by taking away subsidies and such and still penalize them for not buying the shittiest, lowest tier health care they can afford?
They manage to one-up themselves on the evil time and time again.
This is so hypocritical it deserves its own thread.
RPGCrazied
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So lets give American's something worse. Sounds like a sound plan! /s
That's what they claim. But the mandate is a Republican idea.
Like Aaron Strife said on this page, the GOP has no ideological objections to the ACA.
adamsappel
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This was not supposed to be the way insurance works. Insurance is, you're 20 years old, you just graduated from college, and you start paying $15 a month for the rest of your life and by the time you're 70, and you really need it, you're still paying the same amount and that's really insurance.
It means patients are afraid they have cancer or Ebola in addition to a stubbed toe, so they demand extraneous tests and doctors are afraid their patients will turn out to have had cancer or Ebola in addition to a stubbed toe and will be sued for not finding it, so they order the tests.
RPGCrazied
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How does that even work? Its like Republicans are trying to ram through the most awful bill in history.
LostMyNarbles
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So if you miss a payment because you're broke from the crazy expensive insurance you have to wait six months to get it again while also paying the mandate that you probably cannot afford since you couldn't afford the insurance to begin with?....
That seems like it could accidentally fuck over everyone, not just people on Obamacare. How are you allowed to put a provision like that in and still have it go through with 50 votes? The CBO estimate of how many people this kicks off healthcare is going to be insane, no way it's less people than the house bill.
Yeah man. Pretty cool, right?
It's kind of admirable how the GOP are getting themselves in a bend to be as punitive as possible to discourage free riding as well as prevent adverse selection where the young don't buy healthcare. But every solution they offer is worst than the obvious answer, a fucking mandate. Cretins. The lot of them. But they probably know that, they just refuse to admit Obama was right.
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