Jason's Ultimatum
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Mass shootings and guns are cool and ok, but legalizing sex? Would someone please think of the children!
Its porn. Like a POV one, but it's live! And it's your Johnson being rangeled. People just want to get off, what's the big deal.
Ok so hypothetically if prostitution were to be made legal and hypothetical 90% of the brothels/ women only see white men, that would be an ok outcome
I was thinking of that same thing hahaMass shootings and guns are cool and ok, but legalizing sex? Would someone please think of the children!
Hugh Grant got caught with one. It was really big news though so I'm not sure how much a gag order would help.
Sex with someone is a protected right, getting a haircut is not.
Nope. Regulate it and make it safe. It reminds me of the old NOFX song. Prostitutes aren't selling bodies. They their sell time, just like anyone else. I'm
I'm in no position to tell anyone else what to do with theirs.
While what you say makes sense, we can go on an escorting site right now and look at the restrictions that almost all of the women have for customers/ clients. Money doesn't mean muchthis is somehow a depressing kind of description for some reason.
why would that be the case? who the hell would make a brothel where racism is the basis of business? A racist? Who the hell would go to a racist brothel? Racists?
fuck all of those people, figuratively. And as far as sex providers, why would they only provide on a racial basis if they were out for commercial profit and making their own living? That doesn't make any sense.
While what you say makes sense, we can go on an escorting site right now and look at the restrictions that almost all of the women have for customers
While what you say makes sense, we can go on an escorting site right now and look at the restrictions that almost all of the women have for customers/ clients. Money doesn't mean much
Even on non-physical sex work sites many of the workers still have preferences. I know a great deal of camgirls that aren't into girl/girl (or guy/guy or guy/girl, etc, etc) interactions or interacting with certain races--as their experiences have led to certain prejudices along with base preference to begin with.and its all still very illegal and run by pimps and traffickers and dudes with guns for the most part.
But why would making it legal immediately remove the risk of danger, unless we are saying only brothels are legal and woman can't be independent contractors that get health check ups etcMany of those requirements are for safety reasons as much as they are preference. A great deal of the safety reasons are rooted in racism--which I'm not going to blame someone for having per se, but it's important to call it as it is.
But why would making it legal immediately remove the risk of danger, unless we are saying only brothels are illegal and woman can't be independent contractors that get health check ups etc
Well yeah that's what I was saying. I understand why their are restrictions but the above poster was making it seem like those would all go away since its legalI'm not saying making it legal would remove any of the risks of danger. I'm just saying that many of the requirements for their clientele are based off of safety as well as preference. Legality isn't likely to change anything about that.
I'm not sure what you mean by a "protected right". But, yes, there are protections about haircutting in the UK - the cutting of hair without consent amounts to actual bodily harm (DPP v Smith [2006] EWHC 94).
It's trickier than other businesses, obviously. I think all prostitutes should have the right of refusal. That's common sense since they are selling their bodies and not just baking a cake.
I'm saying that they shouldn't be allowed to say "no black guys. just my preference". But I feel weird saying that because I wouldn't want to force somebody to bang somebody that they don't want to, but also as a business I'm not standing for discrimination
Well yeah that's what I was saying. I understand why their are restrictions but the above poster was making it seem like those would all go away since its legal
If they don't want to have sex with certain people then they shouldn't be prostitutes then. You can't make exceptions on something like racial discrimination.
But why would making it legal immediately remove the risk of danger, unless we are saying only brothels are legal and woman can't be independent contractors that get health check ups etc
That's cute but naive. Being a prostitute isn't always a matter of choice, and people that are doing it as a last resort--or even as an actual career choice--should still have their choice respected. I can refuse to work with a client for any number of reasons, I just don't say it. Just don't go sayin' no black people. Just say no and turn them away.
If sex as work is legal and the same as any service, as some people have said, could your at any regular job demand you to do it or be fired? Like could your boss say its part of the secretaries job now to provide sex? How would you handle sexual harassment in the workplace if you can offer your employee 100$ to service you, legally? Wouldn't that make a work place uncomfortable?
If I worked at McDonald's and refused to serve minorities would you also say the same thing? It's not naive, I'm being principled, you aren't.
um...no to any of that nonsense. come on.
You really think they are the same? One is the rights of the person who is providing the service, the thing you are talking about is the rights of the consumer. Forcing someone to give you a haircut is not even remotely the same as forcing someone to sleep with you. At most the first is theft, the second is theft + rape
That really didn't help in Germany.
You're equating sex work with working at McDonald's. That's kind of absurd in and of itself. Besides, mcdonalds itself has internal policy about serving everyone. If that runs counter to your beliefs--you don't work for McDonald's.
If a brothel has the same policy and you aren't comfortable with their requirements of employment, you don't work for that brothel.
Yeah it is nonsense, but so is saying sex work is just like any other service. people are literally arguing you shouldn't be able to choose who you have sex with as a sex worker
Yeah it is nonsense, but so is saying sex work is just like any other service. people are literally arguing you shouldn't be able to choose who you have sex with as a sex worker
legislatures in lots of places have given sex work some special categories, so its very much not like refusing to bake a cake. It is more like refusing to massage an old wrinkly dude. You lose money, lose business, lose reputation points on sex Uber, but ultimately its all very legal..
goal should be to end demand for prostitution
I think it's more or less if your on the clock, you take customers that come . Not saying you have to have sex at all times of the day even if your not working. That's forcing somebody. If your shop is open, why would you choose who to serve. Why even be in that business thenYeah it is nonsense, but so is saying sex work is just like any other service. people are literally arguing you shouldn't be able to choose who you have sex with as a sex worker
But can you refuse to massage black people?
Well it's legal to rent out your uterus for nine months to be a surrogate mother.
But it's illegal to rent out your vagina for 15 minutes.
Well it's legal to rent out your uterus for nine months to be a surrogate mother.
But it's illegal to rent out your vagina for 15 minutes.
sarcastor said:Well it's legal to rent out your uterus for nine months to be a surrogate mother.
But it's illegal to rent out your vagina for 15 minutes.
Well it's legal to rent out your uterus for nine months to be a surrogate mother.
But it's illegal to rent out your vagina for 15 minutes.
Philosophically, should never be monetized. So yes.
What are the philosophical arguments against?
It is legal in Denmark, but like other posters pointed out, the big problem is human trafficking.
Why? Because it's not clear when someone is a prostitute, and when someone is a human sold into slavery. The confusion has caused a mass systemic rift in trying to solve the issues.
I've recently researched the topic for a branding campaign for womens rights. We engaged in a viral campaign trying to inform the buyers of prostitutes to report it anonymously to the police if they see signs of human trafficking.
Some of the key identifiers are; When you ask her questions about what day it is, what city she is in, how long she has been here - If she cannot answer those questions, more than likely she is not free and is being controlled.
This raises enough another conundrum, because there are prostitutes who are not slaves but are essentially being abused by their pimp and/or have serious addiction problems.
I believe as a society we have revolutionize the way we look at sex, prostitution and porn. If we can get prostitutes organized, and not just in terms of paying taxes, but to make sure they are properly protected and their rights are maintained.
Don't forget- millions of people all over the world are dependent on prostitutes. Many, many people for various circumstances be it severe disabilities, or other physical or mental problems are unable to find sexual stimulation in the real world, and they are dependent. Many special care homes for the disabled or handicapped have visits from prostitutes who help these people.
It's a facet of society not many wants to talk about, but they serve an important function in many of these peoples lives. Yet we still treat sex workers like the scum of the earth and the lowest. We don't have to give out PHDs in being a hooker, but we can improve the way we engage them. Community initiatives and NGOs might help make courses that teach them to protect themselves and anonymously network with others who might be abused.
A political effort may put forth that seeks to punish those that harms prostitutes and demeans them as people instead of harming them. Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and it is not going away.
There is also a hope that emerging technologies like Mobile pay, might allow for prostitutes of the future to not need a pimp as a middle man giving them more independence.
I think it should be *legal. I've held that position for many years now. The mere idea that it is a crime seems really odd to me. Like, okay a person wants to sell a physical service. At that point, sex could be viewed on the same level as a massage or some other recreational luxury.
From a feminist angle, i've never understood why a feminist would object to it being legal. Like, obviously there are some women who are working as sex workers because they have no other avenue for income. But there are just as many who choose to work in sex work of their own volition, who enjoy it, and want to make it their primary form of income. By legalizing it, wouldn't we then potentially raise the standard of the service for everyone involved?
*edited for clarity