Outdoor Miner
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I'm glad none of us are debating the validity of these X360 numbers from Sony Germany. They are certainly among the most reputable sources for MS numbers.
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Sony Germany: X360 sales 253k, PS3 to be WW leader till christmas
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hadareud said:
300.000 unit sold in France before december 2006
http://www.xbox-mag.net/300-000-xbox-360-en-france-selon-microsoft__12276.html
With a goal of 500k by the end of the year. I don't think we ever heard if they hit that goal.Joe211 said:
So UK over a million, Germany at 253k, France at 500k (by now, if not at the end of December). Getting up to nearly 2m with those three countries. Are those the three largest markets in Europe? What proportion does that cover?
Xisiqomelir
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GhaleonEB said:
Australia is PAL, and the platform holders lump all the world together as "EU", right? They had 153K through March.
Wollan said:
He's just talking about the european market, David Reeves said they expect to be number one in Europe by the end of this year.
Japan of course is already in the bag relatively to 360, USA will be their main challenge this gen though,especially without a strong price cut.
I don't want to hear any Sony exec say a word about market leadership until they get some ****ing firm release dates for their 2007 lineup.
This whole business with Lair and Heavenly Sword is getting ridiculous now. Despite what David Reeves thinks, consumers will not buy a $600 game system without a series of compelling games.
This whole business with Lair and Heavenly Sword is getting ridiculous now. Despite what David Reeves thinks, consumers will not buy a $600 game system without a series of compelling games.
mckmas8808
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theBishop said:
I couldn't have said it better. ****ing execs care more about launch sales than the games to sell to the people that bought the ****ing system.
It's pissing me off too man.
Wollan said:
It seems like Sony doesn't realize how the internet works. They had some momentum going after GDC. People were starting to think they knew what they were doing. But that is definitely fading now, and we're getting more idiotic statements like "cheap americans" and "PS3 WW leader in 2008". Things are going back to pre-GDC and Sony PR continues to sit on its hands or worse, put their foot in their mouth
In the absence of games, demos, footage, or firmware updates, the stonewalling and moronic quotes aren't going to sell $600 consoles.
spwolf said:didnt we just get background downloading 10 days ago?
Problem with internet is that one hour is like one month in real world... people forget what happened only few days ago.
Yeah, Background Downloading is a nice improvement. But any complaints with the XMB would be forgiven (or at least deferred) if we were playing all the games that were supposed to be out by now.
And I completely agree there is massive ADD on the internet. But that's sort of Sony's problem, along with the hostility that comes from selling a $600 console, and rabid fanboys of other platforms. I don't think David Karraker and the PR wing he represents do a very good job speaking to gamers.
mckmas8808
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theBishop said:
Your right. We needed some deadline dates from there big 1st/2nd party games. Hell at least give us the month they will come out.
Phil probably just went on vacation. Seriously Phil is the reason Sony even looks decent exec wise right now imo. It's like without Phil, Sony's communication systems breaks down completely.
HocusPocus
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Well how are the selling Resistance there if they banned GoW? I'm assuming they can sell Restiance in Germany.
you guys have to remmember sony isnt gonna show all their games now, they want to sell more resistance and motorstorm and by pushing those two games now, more people will be inclined to buy it.
if they start pushing the likes of eight days or heavenly sword now, a lot of people will probably wait till those games come out before buying the ps3.
its the same thing msft and nintendo are doing. nintendo hasnt really shown much of their 2007 lineup
if they start pushing the likes of eight days or heavenly sword now, a lot of people will probably wait till those games come out before buying the ps3.
its the same thing msft and nintendo are doing. nintendo hasnt really shown much of their 2007 lineup
gamergirly
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HocusPocus said:
It's a "On Game" basis
Rhazer Fusion
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theBishop said:
Personally, I don't think most average consumers will buy a $600 console period no matter how compelling the games are.
Benjamin1981
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gamergirly said:
Thats right, but MS decided not to release games which failed to get a USK rating. Of course MS could release GOW and Crackdown here in Germany. But without a USK rating there is the posibility to ban the game. Resistance on the other hand got a USK rating. So there is no chance of banning the game.
Joe211 said:There is NG Sigma in June that's it. I don't know what Japanese devs are doing ?
where are their games?
it seems sony give time to their first party devs, I think it's a good thing it shows that they care about quality but we need some games before christmas
christmas?
I dont know about Japan, but they should get few games there by CHRISTMAS. Lets hope they do that few months sooner.
But you have to consider that most of these big first party titles have been in development from 3 to 4 years... I am sure they will not ruin that by releasing imperfect game, just so it is released one month sooner... huge budgets there...
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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How well received in Germany was Guitar Hero? Might indicate if it will help the 360 there. Its one of the few non-violent 360 games I can think of.
Wow, so we have some numbers from UK (biggest market in europe) and france and germany (2nd and 3rd largest eu markets right?). Oke so they aren't "perfect" numbers but give a reasonable idea anyway. But it aint looking good for Microsoft in eu, at all.Joe211 said:
Yes, sometimes (for example in a response to NPD releases or something but I don't think citing exact numbers is done much though). But only Sony uses it this way in PR if I'm not mistaken.Orlics said:
Xisiqomelir
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Outdoor Miner said:
What an absurd insinuation. Do you think he pulled them from Sony Market Research? They're obviously GfK numbers.
PistolGrip
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e-gamer said:
Wow they let you newcomers run wild these days.
GhaleonEB said:
I did have a link to an Elspa/Charttrack PDF which had a breakdown for 2004. Sadly I can't find it now and the forum I posted it on has disabled it's search facility. Best I could find is this which looks like a similar chart but with no numbers....
http://www.euromonitor.com/UK_Europes_leading_video_game_market
Obviously that's 2004 but about as close as you'll get I think. UK is approx 30% of the EU market followed by Germany and France. However, 360 is reportedly doing much better here than anyone else so I'm not sure if the official 890k 360's sold in the UK by Dec 06 translates to continental Europe.
For the record, Crackdown was also refused a rating by the USK in Germany.
I'd be surprised if the PS3 is really doing significantly better at this point given the price and games available. Germany is PC gamer / RTS land. I can't see much on PS3 that would really drive hardware at this point. I've a couple of German gamers on my friends list, they tend to import Gears, Dead Rising etc from Holland