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[mrMUR_96]

Does this at least support FSR4.1?

If you hook it up to a 4K-TV you need at least decent upsampling or (new)games will look like shit.

Apparently it's being investigated but it doesn't support it yet

 

[mrMUR_96]

This all looks and sounds about right.

It's wild to me how many people expected Valve to go upside down on this. They still have to make money, especially in the current shit market. It genuinely could've been more expensive. Regardless of how it would pan out, people were prepared to shit on it. Because that's how things go, especially here, lmao.

Why would people not shit on it, this is a terrible value proposition. Just because it's valve doesn't mean it's not shit.

 

[Ribi]

Yes. Buy a PS5 Pro. And you'll have extra money in the end.

And shittier games... And no COMPUTER functionality that people seem to just forget.


This is NOT a gaming console. It's a PC use it as a PC something a gaming console can't do. Just casually forget about all that stuff because games huh

 

[Von Hugh]

Sucks as a console. Sucks as a PC. $1200, please.

 

[demigod]

Wait till its sold out and on ebay for 2K!

ZERO chance this thing sells out. No PC folks are getting this turd.

 

[Bernardougf]

ZERO chance this thing sells out. No PC folks are getting this turd.

It can easily sellout if it is only a paper launch with heavily constrained inventory... which will probably be

 

[TrebleShot]

ZERO chance this thing sells out. No PC folks are getting this turd.

Oh my sweet summer child.
It will absolutely sell out.
It's a high value product and the prices are only going to go up.

Even though its.over priced , it's weak as shit and will be outdated day minus 1000 it will sell out instantly, be very rare and on eBay for double the price day emails come through.

 

[Hyper_hyper]

And shittier games... And no COMPUTER functionality that people seem to just forget.

Seems you like to forget that for much less money you get much more extra performance and storage. But hey, who i'm kidding, you want COMPUTER functionality, rather than playing just games

 

[neocycle]

 

[Judge Magister]

A polished turd. It makes a 1000$ PS6 sound like a value dream.

 

[Ashamam]

This is NOT a gaming console. It's a PC use it as a PC something a gaming console can't do. Just casually forget about all that stuff because games huh

I mean I buy that for PC builds, but how many people are going to be hooking this up to a TV and then browsing and emailing etc or using it otherwise for productivity. This is sold squarely as a lounge room gaming device, and thats how it should be judged.

Thinking otherwise is just cope. I can't understand why people are so defensive about this, especially when there will likely sooner rather than later be some really good hardware using SteamOS for a much better balanced experience.

The only thing worth applauding is the case engineering, and that was wasted on sub par hardware.

 

[mrBarrelNut]

My biggest problem with the Steam Machine is that it's a backwards looking device, not forward looking one.

Yes, it plays all current PC games decently, and plays old PC games well. But it will have huge problems running any upcoming AAA games with only 8 GB of VRAM.

And this was a deliberate decision, not borne out of necessity when component prices exploded. They selected outdated components and designed the PCB to have only 4 VRAM chips, and the design must be older than the current crisis. They designed an obsolete by launch product.

Still, if you just want to play CS and all the other older games in your living room, I guess it's fine. But it's still pricey.

 

[keefged4]

If it had an Nvidia GPU capable of DLSS then it might have been a different story, but its vastly underpowered for the price they are asking for it.

It'll be interesting to see if the normies lap it up though. I doubt it due to the price alone.

 

[cyberheater]

Can this do VR?

 

[PeteBull]

Aaaah. And in a year or two, this might be considered a bargain compared to future prices

In a year or two this mashine will be even more outdated compared to midrange pc or nextgen consoles, no1 except collectors gonna want it

 

[Aressa]

IGN gave it an 8

Too much water?

 

[yet_another_alt]

Yes, it plays all current PC games decently

I doubt this very much considering a lot of popular games can't even start on Steam OS. I've also become immensely cynical after what a big lie the Steam Deck Verified label was.

 

[dgrdsv]

This was always going to be a disappointment.
Even without the inflated memory prices it would still be a disappointment for any PC gamer.
No idea why Valve keep spending money on these h/w thingies instead of making new games.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[An Corp]

So no Half Life 3 accompanying it?
That's it i'm done with hoping Valve getting their shit together regarding HL3.

 

[diffusionx]

Microsoft will benefit from economies of scale and can afford to subsidise if need be. Valve cannot.

The only reason the Steam Deck was such a good deal at launch is because the SOC was already created for a product that was later abandoned. Valve saw an opportunity and started production.

This price is reflective of not just component costs, but the reality of a smaller company trying to enter the console market. They can never compete on price.

First of all valve really isn't small. It's impossible to know for sure obviously but I've seen valuations anywhere from $10b to $40b. The upper end of that would mean they are about as big of a company as Sony was in 1994. They're also not inexperienced with hardware. They've been selling hardware in some form since 2015.

Economies of scale only exist if there is a scale, which means Microsoft is selling tens of millions of them, which they will not.

And it will turn a $2500 system to what, $2000? Still DOA.

 

[kaizenkko]

Microsoft will benefit from economies of scale and can afford to subsidise if need be. Valve cannot.

They can, but will they? Given everything that's happened recently, I doubt.

Knowing Microsoft, they'll probably launch Helix by the end of next year at an outrageous price, likely with some cuts to the specs as well. I'm expecting Helix to cost well over $1,300, and the problem is simple: that's a prohibitive price for most people, even in stronger economies.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Why would people not shit on it, this is a terrible value proposition. Just because it's valve doesn't mean it's not shit.

People can and always will shit. It's the amount of shock and surprise that doesn't make sense IMO.

 

[DarkShadowXI]

People can and always will shit. It's the amount of shock and surprise that doesn't make sense IMO.

Even that Gamers Nexus guy, which a lot of people on here love, said that the price is not that far out of line with DIY in current market conditions.

We see posts on here, almost weekly, about rising hardware costs.

This is the worst possible time to release new hardware and Valve was between a rock and a hard place. They spent so much money on R&D and manufacturing that they probably couldn't have canceled it (maybe they should have).

They decided to take the PR hit and recoup their investment. They know it's going to sell out.

I mean who knows, maybe they'll sell out of their original batch and slowly let it fade into oblivion.

The timing really couldn't have been worse. Shit hit the fan weeks after they announced it and it's has only gotten worse, since.

 

[Evil Calvin]

512gb storage should not be standard on any gaming console or PC going forward. Especially since many games are pushing 200gb already.

Should be 1tb minimum!

 

[Tallahassee]

Well it has trans in the steam box promotion video, that is why IGN score is not shocking

you're joking but this is the ign reviewer

 

[Wolzard]

I mean I buy that for PC builds, but how many people are going to be hooking this up to a TV and then browsing and emailing etc or using it otherwise for productivity. This is sold squarely as a lounge room gaming device, and thats how it should be judged.

Thinking otherwise is just cope. I can't understand why people are so defensive about this, especially when there will likely sooner rather than later be some really good hardware using SteamOS for a much better balanced experience.

The only thing worth applauding is the case engineering, and that was wasted on sub par hardware.

Given its size, it will likely be treated as a portable PC, allowing people to take it to different places, as it will fit in a backpack for a trip, for example.

The same is true for the Steam Deck. Even though it's weaker and less competitively priced than the others, people preferred it over its competitors because of the more solid SteamOS experience.

 

[existensmaximum]

In a year or two this mashine will be even more outdated compared to midrange pc or nextgen consoles, no1 except collectors gonna want it

Yes, absolutely. Still, you will dream about how cheap it was compared to what midrange PCs will cost in two years.

 

[diffusionx]

And shittier games... And no COMPUTER functionality that people seem to just forget.


This is NOT a gaming console. It's a PC use it as a PC something a gaming console can't do. Just casually forget about all that stuff because games huh

As a PC, it is lacking for many people because it doesn't use Windows and people need to find other solutions for common things that don't run in Windows. In fact as a gaming PC it is lacking because it doesn't support many of the most popular games.

Yes you can install Windows but then you just have an expensive and underpowered Windows machine.

I really struggle to find any justification for this device at this point. Literally all it has going for it is that it is a cute design.

 

[PeteBull]

Yes, absolutely. Still, you will dream about how cheap it was compared to what midrange PCs will cost in two years.

As long as value is there i got 0 problems with that, it is what it is, paid 2200€ for 3080ti durning 2nd cryptoboom, recently spend over 1500$ on brand new 5080.
What i got big problem with is spending money on bad value products, like gabecube, not denying any1 else their choice, just i myself refuse to do it

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

here's my review:

 

[Uncle Moe]

I'm grateful to Valve if only for helping me appreciate my XSX.

 

[existensmaximum]

As long as value is there i got 0 problems with that, it is what it is, paid 2200€ for 3080ti durning 2nd cryptoboom, recently spend over 1500$ on brand new 5080.
What i got big problem with is spending money on bad value products, like gabecube, not denying any1 else their choice, just i myself refuse to do it

Yeah, I would rather have nothing than pay the asking price for that thing. Not arguing with you there.

 

[Humdinger]

It's not upgradeable my guy, better get some info on it before flushing $1000 down the toilet

Yeah, I know that. I'm talking about a few years from now, different machine. Assuming I like PC gaming, I'd buy a "real" rig. This would just be a test. I'd use the Pro for any AAA gaming.

 

[Dorfdad]

ZERO chance this thing sells out. No PC folks are getting this turd.

I think you under estimate stupidity. This will sell out. Scalpers will buy it and casuals will love its cuteness.

 

[Pop]

The price isn't terrible with the context of today's component prices.

Valve also had no reason to release this right now.

The fact that they did doesn't bode well for the long term cost and availability of components.

Honestly lower price than what i was expecting with the crisis

Fellas its barely a 1080p gaming machine

 

[Ribi]

As a PC, it is lacking for many people because it doesn't use Windows and people need to find other solutions for common things that don't run in Windows. In fact as a gaming PC it is lacking because it doesn't support many of the most popular games.

Yes you can install Windows but then you just have an expensive and underpowered Windows machine.

I really struggle to find any justification for this device at this point. Literally all it has going for it is that it is a cute design.

I must have missed the part when the PS5 is an overpowered windows machine

 

[Thanati]

The problem though is that it's going to sell out, completely and Valve will be happy and claim a victory. That's the issue.

WE know it's overpriced and underpowered but those who buy it won't know any better.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Yeah, I know that. I'm talking about a few years from now, different machine. Assuming I like PC gaming, I'd buy a "real" rig. This would just be a test. I'd use the Pro for any AAA gaming.

My point was more like, for this amount of cash, you can get a "real" rig that will run circles around the steam machine. And that rig will actually be fully upgradable. No, you're not going to get a top performing machine, but will on another league than the steam machine and (importantly) not be TDP limited like this piece of shit is.

 

[diffusionx]

I must have missed the part when the PS5 is an overpowered windows machine

You can buy a PS5 and a good laptop like the MacBook Neo for about the same amount of money and get a better workstation and video game device.

This thing is just indefensible.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Fellas its barely a 1080p gaming machine

Fella, i have a laptop that is significantly less potent than this and it plays most games on high settings at 1080p 60fps. Dont just go along with what the youtubers testing games maxed out with path tracing are saying

 

[Humdinger]

My point was more like, for this amount of cash, you can get a "real" rig that will run circles around the steam machine. And that rig will actually be fully upgradable. No, you're not going to get a top performing machine, but will on another league than the steam machine and (importantly) not be TDP limited like this piece of shit is.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

My rationale for considering a Steam Machine is that it's plug and play. I like the simplicity and ease of it. That's one reason I'm a long-time console-only guy. I like things simple and easy, no fuss. SM seems like a super-simple intro to PC gaming, with none of the hassles associated with getting into PC gaming for the first time. That's part of its appeal, to me at least.

I'm still not sure yet, though. Price is an issue, and traditionally I've been a one-console (platform) kind of guy.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. My rationale for considering a Steam Machine is that it's plug and play. I like the simplicity and ease of it. That's one reason I'm a long-time console-only guy. I like things simple and easy, no fuss. SM seems like a super-simple intro to PC gaming, with no hassles. That's why it appeals to me.

I'm still not sure yet, though. It's a bit pricey, and I'm not sure I need PC gaming in my life.

The plug and play part of it is the OS, I get it. But the good news is, you can still get a proper PC, ask someone else to assemble if you don't want to learn and make sure they install Steam OS. Boom, you get all the benefits of the "console" experience, the performance of something much better than this piece of shit and probably save money in the process. Also, you're able to upgrade later on if you feel this is for you.

So either get a buddy to help you assemble it or even get the shop you order from to assemble it for you, that's my unsolicited advice of the day. Paying Valve for this steam machine is just wrong in all ways.

 

[RafterXL]

People can and always will shit. It's the amount of shock and surprise that doesn't make sense IMO.

I think the shock is that people expected it to be terrible and cheap not terrible and expensive.

It can easily sellout if it is only a paper launch with heavily constrained inventory... which will probably be

So, like the controller?

 

[MiguelItUp]

I think the shock is that people expected it to be terrible and cheap not terrible and expensive.

Yeah, and I totally get that. But it also seems like a LOT of people were creating lofty expectations for it when it was never meant to be something like that. It was always described as a mid-tier/easily accessible PC before it even came out. With the new cost of the Steam Deck, I thought the writing was kind of on the wall, as much of a shame that is. The range could've landed anywhere, but there's no way it would've been cheaper, lol.

I still think they should've never made the 4K comment, I never once thought that would pan out, lol. The "6x stronger than the Steam Deck" by itself would've worked fine enough I'm sure.

 

[YOU PC BRO?!]

Given the performance am I the only one that would have expected the base model to be around $550? That's with a controller also…

This shit is literally twice the price it should have been if Valve was serious about taking market share.

If they couldn't have made this at a price that's compelling then why make it at all? Valve should be able to make something that's as powerful as the PS5 in 2026 for the same price or better. Its difficult to rationalise the existence of this shit given the poor performance and extortionate price.

 

[Ribi]

You can buy a PS5 and a good laptop like the MacBook Neo for about the same amount of money and get a better workstation and video game device.

This thing is just indefensible.

apple ecosytem.. two devices. LIke what are we doing here just say you hate computers