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TEH FIANAL LOVDOWN. shufflemoveto the infooplace!
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I wonder... remember that woman who worked for OnLive (?) saying a long time ago that one of the next gen consoles wouldn't be a console at all?
We all shrugged it off at the time as someone just pushing their business/model, but if these rumours are true it does sound like MS could be pushing xbone purely as a STB front for a service platform.
Looked at from that perspective, it actually makes a lot more sense that they'd be pushing the media stuff front and centre because that's the "value" aspect of the hardware; everything else is actually within the umbrella of Xbox Live to some degree - and so the rest of the proposition -basically 90% of the gaming functionally- is all about justifying the service plan price.
We all shrugged it off at the time as someone just pushing their business/model, but if these rumours are true it does sound like MS could be pushing xbone purely as a STB front for a service platform.
Looked at from that perspective, it actually makes a lot more sense that they'd be pushing the media stuff front and centre because that's the "value" aspect of the hardware; everything else is actually within the umbrella of Xbox Live to some degree - and so the rest of the proposition -basically 90% of the gaming functionally- is all about justifying the service plan price.
A little of that, but moreso a whole lot of recklessly chasing the magical walled garden ecosystem of Apple but for the entire living room and dragging gaming through the mud as a means to that end.
it's what you want. bend over, take it like a man. no lube allowed. you just don't know you want it.
but you do!! trust MS
It's not like there's a lack of people who want to be punished.
So essentially, this has been the end goal of Microsoft for years.
dragonbane
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And expect them not to say a single word about it today. The only thing they will say is $299.
Stone Ocean
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That makes a lot of sense.
Basically a cable box that happens to play games and not the other way around. Much easier to sell to common people like that.
That would make a lot more sense if the One did in fact replace the cable box rather than just connect to it.
Doesn't really matter anyway. BF4, CODG, Watch_Dogs etc, all have been announced for PS4 already.
Well fuck. No way in hell this flies in the EU. Good god, I was wiliing to roll with the DRM to an extent but this is really fucking pushing it.
Basically, they will probably offer discounted (or earlier access) XBone games via DD, with an added discount if you're a Gold member... BUT if you lose Gold subscription you won't be able to play/use the game until you renew.
MY GOD, it would be so evil that it just might work - especially the kids who make their parents who give them their CCs to use to their accounts.
As requested earlier -
MY GOD, it would be so evil that it just might work - especially the kids who make their parents who give them their CCs to use to their accounts.
As requested earlier -
The bit about cheaper prices...we've seen prices on Amazon.fr being the same as last gen / 5 higher for EA, and before they were 99. This means they received more infos about retail prices. Could this mean that buying retail titles cost the same as last gen, besides the whole DRM clusterfuck AND the required Gold subscription...while digital SKUs would be a little cheaper (10-15) due to not go against retailers? Given the infos we've had, it's the only possible explanation.
RamzaIsCool
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Wait... you need a Xbox live gold account to play games???
Wut?
Wut?
Rolling with it makes you a bad dog. Don't sit for this.
suddenlyissoon
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I think I need a Navajo code talker to translate the OP.
CaptainTiptop
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People will be begging to go back to just paid online.
No, we don't know yet.
But some (including me) suspect that it involves buying games via Digital download at a discount... through a Gold subscription and losing access to said games if you don't renew said Gold subscription
SneakyStephan
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I'm going to go postal on the first guy who posts a 'take my money' image if they announce subscription based games like this...
Kill Your Masters
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So they took the idea of PS+ and Ballmerized it.
Because no one can actually see the cloud. Makes it easier to bullshit about it.
BruceLeeRoy
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Nobody checking their emailztodayz.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
ascii42 said:
Well, if you consider their stated aim is to offer unique TV programming (Halo the series etc.) this is just the first step. Kinect/xbone offers functionality that augments any extent service provider while they build up their own IPTV and VoD offerings within XBL.
This would explain why despite them courting Sky, they got cold feet.
It's overwhelmingly ambitious, and frankly a bit scary, but if you see their end-goal as becoming the dominant entertainment provider both in terms of hardware (xbone) and distribution platform (xbl) everything suddenly makes sense.
Fucking hell.
I first thought that MS can't be stupid enough to do this "No gold no games" thing. I'm still leaning to the "No way they can't" side, but still, when I think about, it's not that far fetched.
I think Microsoft is depending on their RROD experience and this phenomenon :
You have 20 games in your game library. You get a RROD and you're out of warranty. You are between a rock and a hard place: You gamer identity is on XBlive and you already have 8 more months of membership, you have 500 worth of games: you can either go to PS and start over, or just buy another Xbox for 300usd. And people went through multiple Xboxes because of this, but you don't make much by selling hardware, however Xbox Live is mostly profit, which leads us to the following:
What they may try to do this time is, go for a more durable hardware that won't break but with ridiculously low price, lure people into their pit. It will be easy, people won't calculate how much more money they'll have to shell for all those following years.
This way, instead of selling people multiple boxes with very little profit, they can sell memberships with great profit, people would have to return to them due to sunk cost fallacy.
DC1
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Be easy man- Consider the thread that we are in and some of the comments, rumor confirmations or nuances litter throughout.
I was simply providing a possible scenario regarding the PSPluse+Gold association (The origin can be found 10-15 pages back) - and adding clarity to what that might be for Pandemic.
It would work in the EU if sold as a service entirely. I'm not for it, but they might have found a way to get away with it.
XBOX would basicaly become a subscription service with a "pay per use" approach for new releases. Think TV providers with "on demand" items charged on top.
Bleh...would be my reaction if they confirm that...but I could see it working on a marketing perspective with the right pricing.
Killing_Joke
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Do people really believe it will sell no matter what? Gamers have proven they don't fall for bullshit plenty of times. There's not enough misinformed moms in the world to save this disaster. Social media will eat this system alive (already is). If everything said comes to light and there's more horror stories to come. I'll be willing to bet X1 will not sell out at launch.
Internet required, complicated used game system, limited borrowing, no renting, and now possibly XBLG required to play your games? There's not enough spin to save this system. It's DOA.
Internet required, complicated used game system, limited borrowing, no renting, and now possibly XBLG required to play your games? There's not enough spin to save this system. It's DOA.
Ken Masters
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I still don't get what's going on in this thread, just that it's bad news
DING DING DING we're onto something here! I think you're absolutely right. This will truly be the greatest fight we gamers will ever be involved in.
The yield issues then play into their hands perfectly - intentionally create a shortage to create the impression that the console is popular - promote on Morning TV to stay-at-home moms with no discipline over their kids and get pressured to buy an XBone because "CALL OF DUTY MOM NAOOOOOOOOOOO!"!!!. Then having all the games binded to the profile will result in said child being forced to stick with said console since all the games and DLC (and ranks and achievements) all on the XBone and can't be transferred to PS4.
Make sure to send me their details - I'll join in
A bit offtopic but - does anyone think that Microsoft will also have subscription channels via their Xbox one as well - replacing current cable companies? I'm guessing offering Netflix, Hulu, NBA/NFL/NBA etc. through the XBone - essentially a glorified Roku?
If so then EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE! The roku tried to include games (Angry Birds), WDTV Live Game (or whatever its called) also did - so maybe this is the actual endgame plan of Microsoft...
in what instance did gamers prove they don't fall for bullshit?
Elaugaufein
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If the Xbox Live gold subscription to play your library at all is true, then I fully expect to hear that Microsoft's E3 show came complete with the screams of tortured souls for audio and hellfire for lighting.
Because they have found a subset of the population that they can exploit the hell out of. And they have probably found that exploiting that group will get them a higher profit than appealing to everyone.
I believe the trading and stuff will be gold restricted but I refuse to believe gold is going to be required like some are saying here.
DC1
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Make sure to send me their details - I'll join in
A bit offtopic but - does anyone think that Microsoft will also have subscription channels via their Xbox one as well - replacing current cable companies? I'm guessing offering Netflix, Hulu, NBA/NFL/NBA etc. through the XBone - essentially a glorified Roku?
If so then EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE! The roku tried to include games (Angry Birds), WDTV Live Game (or whatever its called) also did - so maybe this is the actual endgame plan of Microsoft...
Yep, I do believe this is part of the end game. And I can't blame them.
It is very hard to get into the nation wide cable services game (regardless of how many billions are in play). The payoff however, would be astronomical!!
You people (gaming population) went through multiple x360 already, you've shown that they could sell you crap and you would ask for more.
Seriously at this point I don't feel sorry for the poor saps that are getting xbone come next fall.
Stone Ocean
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Well, no one's buying the Wii U.
OriginalNameGuy
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grin and bear it
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They know gamers will just sit and take it. I know people who are happy to buy the X1 despite all they have heard because of silly brand loyalty.
NingenJanai
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You should feel sorry for the clerks at the stores when they get lots of refund petitions.
Of course
The revenue they generate from gaming is a joke compared to their operating systems and productivity software, the reason they bother is the potential to someday reach the point where they have a huge amount of control over several entertainment outlets and can finally reap the rewards
Putting gaming behind a pay wall actually makes sense. They dropped the subsidized model and we seen the leaked document were they want a 299.99 price point. Well instead of 1 model that is subsidized they make every Xbone subsidized and launch at 299.99. If they can put Netflix behind a pay wall why not gaming. Got to pay the 400 million for the NFL some how and get people to gold and that be perfect.
NullPointer
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Wolves Evolve
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What price will make this okay for people?
$199? $250?
$199? $250?
Red Blaster
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a new gen is a clean slate. i recall many saying a 599 ps3 would sell out because the sony brand was too strong. xbone could suffer the same fate after more and more get wind of the toxic bs that courses through the system.
Year by Year i´m happily looking forward to E3. I always enjoyed watching the Press Conferences with tons of snacks deep into the Night. There were always lies (such as fake Trailers or that crazy Milo thing) but i still enjoyed it.
But this Year....
It has more of a conspiracy thriller, and I´m afraid if there will be a Happy End.
But this Year....
It has more of a conspiracy thriller, and I´m afraid if there will be a Happy End.
Sigismundo
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Personally, nothing. I don't want to be tied to a subscription.
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