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I think this is the first time I've seen this without some kind of video game exec face plastered on to the people lol
And he runs off immediately. Gotta work double time after that fuck up.
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The 89th Academy Awards |OT| La La Land up 3-1, they got this
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I think this is the first time I've seen this without some kind of video game exec face plastered on to the people lol
And he runs off immediately. Gotta work double time after that fuck up.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Jordan Horowitz is a hero.
And here's the thing, you can be a fan of his all you want, but don't expect people to forgive and forget that type of behavior because he made a movie you enjoyed.
I wondered if it was something up with the OPs list. No biggie, should have remembered Salesman on my own
I blame Hacksaw Ridge for most misses anyway
Watch it in context. It's not rude at all. Everything that guy did was a class act. He corrected the situation as quickly as possible and was gracious to the Moonlight team.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
but you already recognized that I'd walked it back? Are you just asking for the announcement or something?
I don't get this. It looked shady. I said so. Someone pointed out he at least tried to wave it off. I said "you're right, he did."
Was he just trying to buy time? Was he looking to get his speech read while he was up there? Was he on autopilot? Was he hoping that while he was up there the Academy might just let everyone keep their awards and declare a tie? I don't know. but it's pretty clear he knew they weren't supposed to win the award, and gave his acceptance speech anyway, before ending it with "we lost, by the way."
What are you specifically requesting I do here
And Reds was robbed
Yeah, this is actually the first time in my lifetime that what I believed to be the best American movie in a given year actually won best picture. Feels weird.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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Wrong! I was upset for people piling on me and others for saying "Mel is awesome" in context of the show we were all watching together so peacefully and pleasantly...But thanks to you! it's been literally 4 hours since then, and now I find myself in a useless back and forth with you, who sounds sooo angry!!
What do you want me to say? "Mel is a racist, but he makes great films and he has some good acting chops."
Can you give me that much? Why do I feel like I am trying to stop a child from crying?? why?
Honestly dude, lets move this along, like the producers moved it along so quickly as soon as they realized they lost.
old manatee
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neurosisxeno
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According to Wikipedia;
Prior to that there was this situation;
He did apologize for both situations, just not in a personal way. I know for at least one he said he had been drinking heavily and basically implied it just kinda happened. He was basically blacklisted from Hollywood from 2010-2015. 2016 was the first year he actually got major studio backing for a film (Hacksaw Ridge) and when they were first advertising it they never credited Gibson as the director, it just said "From the Director of Braveheart and (Something else he did)".
The One and Done
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Nah I give him a pass for that. As soon as he realized what was happening he took steps to make it right.
If Warren had to explain himself, then so should you.
just kidding, trying my best Kimmel impersonation 
Yep. It's Warren Beatty ffs
Amy Adams is Best Picture
Yep.
Amy Adams was the big winner tonight.
I was totally over her, and thought she looked a little old in Nocturnal Animals. She super won best everything for the night in that dress. She was also excellent in Arrival and Nocturnal Animals.
They should have them come out again next year. And this time give them the correct damn envelope.
cubicle47b
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He spoke for 15 seconds while the group behind him was being notified.
Ninja Scooter
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In their primes, he and Jack probably were neck and neck in the strange department.
Trojita
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That dude ninja'd outta there. (behind Kimmel if you guys don't see him.)
People can give opinions on people you like no matter the circumstance. There was no reason to be upset that people were calling out Mel fans, especially ones who just never owned up to liking such a terrible person because he makes movies you like.
Again, it's fine to like him, but it isn't fine to be upset when people call him and fans of his out if those fans don't acknowledge they like a person who is just such an asshole.
This doesn't register as rude, it registers as "let me set this shit straight while you and Kimmel fart around leaving the actual winners only ten seconds to speak," then of course Beatty and Kimmel proceed to make the next two minutes about themselves anyway instead of just getting the Moonlight team up to the mic.
old manatee
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We are lucky that they didn't both drop dead from all of the activity, but to be fair to the well-oiled machine that is the Oscars, they probably had their in memoriams in the tank and ready to roll.
Lionel Richie
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Absolutely. As works of art, both Moonlight and La La Land also deserve better than being remembered like they will be.
Principate
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In the absolute chaos of this thread I must point out (though it has to have been already pointed out) Oscar winning Suicide Squad. How many Oscars did marvel win this year? Talent always wins.
Funkyhamster
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Man, judging by the look on Horowitz's (the envelope-grabber's) face, he was not a happy camper. Like people have said in this thread, he was probably just angry about the situation, and there were probably also a lot of emotions going through his head after the whiplash of thinking they won and then finding out they lost. I'm even more impressed that he handled things in such an efficient and classy manner given that look on his face -- the few times in life I've had that look on my face, I've been so upset that I was practically unable to function.
He ain't exactly give an apology for the nigger thing. Being an alcoholic doesn't make you a racist ass. Being a racist ass, makes you a racist ass.
EatinOlives
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Yes, people do recognize when they're mistaken instead of randomly shifting their stance mid-argument if that's what you're asking.
Exactly, dude obviously knows how to take charge and he was watching a bunch people floundering around confused asking what happened, and Producer guy was all about , who cares HOW it happened, lets fix it... taking charge and making sure everyone knew that the credit goes to Moonlight.
Bobby Roberts
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It's a Damian Chazelle production, alright.
No, that's not what I'm asking. You just quoted what I'm asking. Are you basically asking me to explicitly state to you that I did the thing you already observed me doing openly? Because it's not like I was hiding it, and it's not like you didn't see it happen as you followed the conversation.
I mean, I think I've been pretty up-front here?
Further, wouldn't it make sense that if I've shifted my stance, it's because I recognized I had missed a detail when someone pointed it out to me? That's what you're supposed to do, right?
I apologize for being unclear and for probably making this harder than it needs to be.
Garmonbozia
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And Bulworth is criminally underappreciated.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at.
The guilds only have one award for the equivalent of best picture, while the oscars have two true "big ones". And best director has had renewed prestige after the expansion of possible best picture nominations.
I dunno. Imagine if it was someone younger who has a long career ahead of them. This is the kind of shit that follows you, lol
Problem is no one was doing anything so it wasn't going to get the Moonlight people up there any faster. Everyone seemed to be just standing around waiting for the Oscar producers to make a call or provide some direction that never came... Luckily, Jordan Horowitz took control of the situation but I wouldnt fault anyone else for making a bad decision in such a moment since its unfair they were in that position to begin with.
Yep, they manufactured a crazy event during the last 5 minutes of a four hour show to boost ratings.
Brilliant deduction.
Just never bet against Adams. That's a lesson everyone should know.
UberTag
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Beatty's unceasing smile in the background makes the moment that much more priceless.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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this is gonna sound like deja vu but...k
But as I mentioned, it's not just her reactions. The way the rest of the scene is framed, the constant escalation, is also an indictment of what Keith is doing. Just as soon as you start to settle in and think it's not so bad, it's kind of good, there's another wrinkle. Oh, you like it? But what if there are back up singers! And funky dancers! Also, it's an electric keyboard, what about now!
It's impossible to finish that scene and not know which of them Chazelle thinks is correct in their opinion on jazz and it simply isn't Keith.
Add in the photo shoot later and almost every scene that shows the band just screams "this is tacky and compromises integrity." People say that Seb evolves, but he doesn't. People want to suggest he reaches a point where he acknowledges it's possible to approach art in two entirely different ways that are equally valid, but he never says that either; people just infer it because it's reasonable and they want the film they enjoyed to be reasonable, but frankly it isn't as complex or layered as that. He begins the film correct and ends in largely the same place. His transformation as a character is almost entirely monetary. The film's characters simply do not have that dynamic an arc, which is okay. It's not that kind of film.
Even if its creators often talk about it as though it is.
It's actually unfortunate in some ways that the award for talent as a producer is best picture, because the guy demonstrated right then how great he is at producing.
Can I ask an honest question here? Which do we really, truly, honestly believe is the more likely scenario?
A. Man, in the midst of a crowd currently being informed they did not win the award they thought they did by officials from the show, proceeds to speak in a calculated attempt to prevent the award going to its rightful owners
or
B. Man, in the midst of a confusing scene, has adrenaline pumping, is nervous in front of a shit load of people and doesn't really know the best way to handle the situation unfolding around him.
Why is malice or intentionally attempting to deprive others of the honor the easier explanation here? Do we really think the guy thought this through and said "nah fuck those guys, I'll keep talking and see if this problem goes away!"? We sit here and analyze with the benefit of hindsight and far more information than anyone on that stage had, all while being able to do it from the comfort of our chairs inside our homes, not up on a stage in front of thousands, being watched by millions, having had a great honor and something we worked hard for given and taken away in seconds.
Why don't we just take a step back and not call a guy an asshole based on this scenario?
A. Man, in the midst of a crowd currently being informed they did not win the award they thought they did by officials from the show, proceeds to speak in a calculated attempt to prevent the award going to its rightful owners
or
B. Man, in the midst of a confusing scene, has adrenaline pumping, is nervous in front of a shit load of people and doesn't really know the best way to handle the situation unfolding around him.
Why is malice or intentionally attempting to deprive others of the honor the easier explanation here? Do we really think the guy thought this through and said "nah fuck those guys, I'll keep talking and see if this problem goes away!"? We sit here and analyze with the benefit of hindsight and far more information than anyone on that stage had, all while being able to do it from the comfort of our chairs inside our homes, not up on a stage in front of thousands, being watched by millions, having had a great honor and something we worked hard for given and taken away in seconds.
Why don't we just take a step back and not call a guy an asshole based on this scenario?
The One and Done
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depths20XX
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To be fair he said he's a fan of his work. Not the person himself or the things he said.
Via Purifico
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I'm a huge DC fan but no, just no.
ginger ninja
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My man.
CassidyIzABeast
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Well thankfully they're old enough that the shitshow that is the internet doesn't affect them. They don't have twitter accounts to bombard to make sure they feel extra bad for their actions.
How much stock did you get for this post? 100 shares per word?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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God, Captain America looked like such a cornball goof in Avengers 1. Good thing the Russos fixed that.The One and Done;231102151 said:
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